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zacky chan
post Aug 1 2018, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(emanresu @ Aug 1 2018, 11:33 AM)
PM should focus on aircraft enigneering not 3rd national car.
you can just google youtube to build modern car.
but not air/spacecraft parts
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just because its not there,does not mean it is feasible or doable.
depends on the industry,how many interested if we make aircraft compare to chinese made???how much money would it need to be make radar,integrated weapon and system and even other mission spec. a lot.....its not a lucrative for our country.

the reason the interests was shift toward car was maybe because good manufacture can get to make spare part of other car brands. plus car is a lucrative industry since most people need it. supply and demand.
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post Aug 1 2018, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(emanresu @ Aug 1 2018, 12:32 PM)
its best to start early to produce indigenous engines/parts/electronics for air/spacecraft engineering.
Nation will then have the ability to service & repair even the smallest of components and sell advanced products.
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is't that what AIROD and ATSC objective and done right now?
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post Aug 1 2018, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(periuk_api1209 @ Aug 1 2018, 01:07 PM)
thank you for sharing that thumbup.gif
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post Aug 1 2018, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Aug 1 2018, 02:57 PM)
to anyone wondering about menhan's speech
its starts at minute 19


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thank you for sharing that. i only found the short version.


overall-
again with the scorpene.really???its already dive 350.1 meter. bangwall.gif
https://malaysiamilitarypower.blogspot.com/...orpene-ssk.html
its also log 10,000 hours of their lifetime underwater bangwall.gif
https://malaysiamilitarypower.blogspot.com/...s-have-far.html
its amazing those people sweat.gif


SU30 MKM service was high due to a lot of thing. but its good to see it get investigate.as long as it get people silence.

trying to investigate all those,i really hope its a good use of resources(time and money) hmm.gif
good luck menhan on those "masih dalam penyelidikan" thumbup.gif

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post Aug 7 2018, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 7 2018, 09:09 AM)
Indonesian Air Force Chief: Indonesian Air Force to be equipped with Su-35 Fighter Jets, C-130J Super Hercules, AWACS Aircraft, Air Refueling Tanker Aircraft, Amphibian Aircraft, Heavylift & Combat SAR Helicopter and UAVs.

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Photo by Alex Sidharta
https://tni-au.mil.id/wingday-sekbang-terpa...i-awak-pesawat/

http://defense-studies.blogspot.com/2018/0...nambah.html?m=1
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really??all those?isn't that a butt load of money there.... shocking.gif
must be nice blush.gif
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post Aug 7 2018, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Aug 7 2018, 10:29 AM)
indons talk better take it with a pinch of salt... until there's a pic/vid of the asset in their hangar... same goes with peenoise and yindia... msia to a certain extent
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yeah...we can expect that from Indonesia and Philippine...but does india same with them??to me they seem good so far except some hiccups ofkos.
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post Aug 7 2018, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 7 2018, 11:20 AM)
Yes. Procurement plan in TNI Minimum Essential Force (MEF) 2 & 3 which ends in 2024.
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i support the plan for TNI AL but others, i dont think so. the TNI AL increasing vessel and support facilities is a good thing and will bring development to the neighborhood so its good. for other i dont see it become better. dont know what the higher ups see.

wedgetail for AWACS ???that is super surprise mega_shok.gif

sorry if i offend you at comment before. it just this thing takes a lot of times and it build a lot of unnecessary antagonize when visiting the Indonesian forum by its user making any discussion just frustrating and inconvenience.
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post Aug 7 2018, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Aug 7 2018, 05:54 PM)
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aminated???or animated?? biggrin.gif

its a plan..dont read too much in it.
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post Aug 8 2018, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Aug 8 2018, 09:09 PM)
I think it does get better....regardless of whether it's significant or not...

Like a new class of LPD has been launched recently by PT PAL, which is a modified Tarlac class. And there's a plan for second batch of Chang Bogo submarines produced mostly locally.

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if its for TNI AL,i support as i mention. whether it subs projects or other. its the other service which seem off. but who know. maybe...

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post Aug 8 2018, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Aug 8 2018, 08:38 PM)
ASEAN Ground Based Air Defence

Sistem Pertahanan Udara atau Ground Based Air Defence satu elemen pertahanan bagi Tentera Udara bagi melindungi aset, pangkalan dan lokasi strategik.


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sos bro???really want to know who wrote this. or its you who wrote it?

logistic is the nightmare of country such as Malaysia and Indonesia since separate by ocean. it need a lot of resources to cover and some place in budget need to be sacrifice to keep it up. can the politician accept that???

a lot of things need to be study before adapting any SAM for Malaysia. preferably GAPU should be in charge for all this asset and be place under each service. but its hard to get all those work together.

best for Malaysia is SAMP/T(aster) or NASAMS(I read somewhere it can use ESSM) since both have naval variant that can be used by navy so cost saving
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post Aug 8 2018, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Aug 8 2018, 09:57 PM)
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hmmm, seems like there's an obesity problem... and the fittest is a civi
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fitness is hard to gauge...a lot of thing need to be consider to be called fit from %of body fat and muscle to the easier BMI. it also involve routine,food consumption and other factor. hard to gauge tongue.gif
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post Aug 8 2018, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Aug 8 2018, 10:00 PM)
There is ground based MICA VL too

NASAM need American support
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hm.....hard to say bro. IMO the best option for navy was ESSM and not VL MICA. the reason MICA was choose because its fire and forget and easier to use compare to ESSM. but ESSM Block II seems better with improve guidance. what your pick on this?

NASAM need American support?so??is there any issue with US?so far US support can be consider good as they consider money as rule. as long as we have money,they will do.
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post Aug 8 2018, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Aug 8 2018, 11:09 PM)
In fantasyland if we could pick anything we want of ESSM, MICA, Aster of course we can think like that, but politics is politics.

Anyway now the thing is done, moving forward we have to continue with what we have decided, no?

Cons is that US may restrict sales so you're always tied to them politically, also Indons already operate NASAM

Pros is that US has already sold us C7 Amraams for Airforce, and with their massive stocks, whenever you think war is coming you can topup from them, whereas Europeans don't keep stocks on hand

(However Cons again is that you can't do this if US doesn't want you to fight of course)

The reality is that when you deal with any superpower, they will want something. Unless you're buying from the Europeans who have few political interests they consider worth arguing over with us.
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i thought we have problem with EU before in regard to palm oil,human trafficking and others. we tried to get friendly with EU but dont know what happen.well, its a nature since all nation want something from each other especially the superpower one. hard to said about diplomasi. even Canada which blame and public shaming Saudi over it citizen arrest now trying to do it other way since it have backfired. US dont want to help Canada and they are alone. its the same with SEA nation where they(US) bought hundreds million to ASEAN to bought strategic partnership. well, its hard to said about those superpower. so far they will not restrict unless there is war and they(the superpowers) are losing.

to me, US made is good as they tested the weapon and equipment regularly and the ESSM block II will be test against missile soon.


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post Aug 9 2018, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(sukhoi35mk @ Aug 8 2018, 10:58 PM)
indeed ground base air defense system only for strategic assets protection due to limited coverage range...  you want to protect your sky... u need air force
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having AF ready 24/7 and have enough aircraft to cover whole country is a complicated game. the reason GBAD was there as a way to intercept those threat(missile,UAV or jet) and buy enough time for AF to send asset to intercept or hunt.
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post Aug 9 2018, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Aug 9 2018, 12:20 AM)
Refer the story of Argentina in 1982
They tried to fight UK with the political assessment that neither US nor France would help them
They were very sadly mistaken and paid the price

Canada and US just having a relatively minor dispute, in the big picture, they are still tied together since Canada is an indispensable partner of the NORAD pact

We have some problems with EU but again, nothing very major. So long as we pay them cash and not palm oil they will happily take it.

We are caught however in the middle of the US, Russia and China superpower clash. Whoever we buy from amongst these 3 will want something from us - US and China over SEA issues, Russia over Mh17

Sure ESSM probably is better. But there are financial and political costs to picking it as MR-SAM. End of the day the decision has been made, better to look forward now.
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sorry if my points was not made clear. but what i was trying to said earlier is,no matter the circumstance there is nothing to worry from buying from US or EU. we have issue but it does not hinder the relationship to the point of embargo or sanction.

my brooding over ESSM and MICA was because when say about SAM, most people goes to S400 or S300 or even patriot system which is expensive and overkill for us. its good to say this things as people read and educate them. plus most never think the good of commonality in reduce cost and logistic.

about Argentina war, i dont know how they got the conclusion US and France wont butt in but US have a lot to gain from Argentina lose rather than won in IMO.
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post Aug 10 2018, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Aug 9 2018, 11:24 PM)
that's true... my logistics warrant have a pot belly but he sure can score well in his fitness test...

but belly dont look good and hard to justify the boys to get fitter when seniors/officers dont look fit
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also AF allow you to strike and intercept targets

tudm have all the assets they need, problem is maintaining it... what a waste..
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hard to say bro. used to jungle tracking with fit athlete student before and they not that good. they tire easily although with no bags on shoulder compare to me a big guy with round stomach carry a bag which i have better endurance in long run. who know,maybe he a heavy smoker or drinking.


tudm have all the assets they need???i dont know about that bro. RMAF only have hornet and MKM as fast jet and look how far it expected. with hornet at labuan AFB and MKM at gong kedak,how can that be enough. even when mig is useable, it serve as intercepter but when it get shelves MKM is the replacement. even with all MKM and hornet at semenanjung it is not enough to cover it let alone whole Malaysia. hawk and aeramachi just more into trainer and low intensity strike with less speed.
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post Aug 10 2018, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Aug 10 2018, 08:53 PM)
athletes trains fitness according to their particular sport, if you ask a long distance runner to carry high load, he/she might not be able to make it too... my peer runs marathons at sub 2:40 but she cant open ship hatch so she was kick out of the navy.. lol... but even if you dont have the strength, looking unfit doesnt instill confidence, young still ok, old very hard to lose already

if they have 70% of f-18 and mkm up and running that should suffice for minimum deterrent.. look at around the region.. MIG is a near gone case, better scrap it... russian planes dont have good frame life.. ... range is there for mkm to cover penin msia, but reaction time is too slow... problem is south penin with the closure of sg besi

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that is why i said, its hard to say. the better term is "fit for duty". as long as they within those classification,its alright.

i think hornet and MKM already within range 70% readiness before. the reason the readiness drop only because the 10th year maintenance start late and no planning ahead. reaction time is what can be expected with that amount. with X no. in maintenance, other in training and operation and X no. on base for QRA,just how much left??a lot of thing need to be improve and RMAF need to join more AF exercise with other country to see what they lack and learn.

i read before that MIG have been abandon by its manufacturer to pursuit 5th gen aircraft,that is why its become hard to use it(no support). RMAF know this and they already tired with Russian made so that is why last 4 candidate was all western made. hopefully no other politician in new govt suggest to use MIG just too save money.
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post Aug 11 2018, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Aug 11 2018, 12:27 AM)
yes, can be fit for duty but it does not instill confidence or image... especially during overseas programs

nah, skip those good will exercises... some shiok sendiri one... pitch black was probably planned a while ago... but now with only 4 mkms avail, they should not even attend... peenoise scum cause trouble who's gonna bomb them

its not just MIG, its all russian planes... maybe land vehicles too... just that parts for land vehicles are easier to self fabricate/buy clones from prc... planes are harder... su-27/30 same shit with spare parts... dont forget MIG-29 is still being flown by their naval air unit...

western yes, but eu also got prob... murican plane cannot bomb singkie, so how? gripen? korean? jap?

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again..instill confidence or image is not something that can be done easily. a lot of thing play role.

hard to say about shiok sendiri. so far what is shiok sendiri exercise?to me most is necessary especially there is not much excercise with MAF.

Russia made usually a poor man weapon. its simple as that. their industry cannot develop more so its stagnant and it easy to buy but hard to retain. also Russian develop its weapon based on its own military engagement strategy different to western. we can see western weapon integrated with more sensor and networking to develop more effective strategy but Russian still "meh" in those field.

dude....who want to bomb singkie???why???any conflict within selat melaka route will be closely observe by the power that be and they wont let one of the trade route riddle with war.

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post Aug 11 2018, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 11 2018, 04:32 PM)
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their develop was most crazy in SEA nation. but they have the will and power thus they able to do it. congrats SAF thumbup.gif
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post Aug 12 2018, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Aug 12 2018, 12:53 AM)

true, but when it comes to overseas acquaintance the moment see a big pot belly, it is not a good image

better not mention which one is shiok sendiri, ppl will get angry

mamatir lor.. typical rhetoric talk.. 
by 2030 available ns enlistment drops by 30%, if they still insist on not enlisting female they need to compensate with other means... indons are arming well, extremism is getting rampant... no choice
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maybe some see it as shiok as because it look easy or suppose have been acquire before but actually it need to be polished further. some do said,they take time each exercise and set benchmark how they get afterward. other shiok i cannot relate. maybe you can tell me.

say what we/you want about Dr M and his old regime but they never want war or even intend it. in reality,SAF F16 alone is enough to obliterate most ATM base until sungai besi base and they know. even if there is MKM plus F18 full readiness wont do much. not to mention the RSN and their land offensive ability. hell...Singapore jamming ability able to reach half johor. it mostly just a narrative plus a chicken game. see who can get most out of it and who will crack first.

i read somewhere around 2010, the Singapore already foresee those drops. i return they invest more on machine power rather than human power. rather than it take 3-5 to navigate a naval ship, they target now it can do with just one office and another to monitor sensor if needed. saw those before,one office station have all the info display on 3 big monitor above him and he can navigate the ship based on the info displayed. looks cool and i think they can achieve that.

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