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Jun 22 2019, 09:34 AM
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Jun 22 2019, 12:58 PM
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Jun 22 2019, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 22 2019, 03:57 PM) No need to buy new fighter.. Mrca, LCA. Maintain existing ones. Instead Malaysia should buy mobile SAM systems. sarcasm or what Look at Iran, fighter from 70s, still can threaten US. QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 22 2019, 04:01 PM) kalo LCA kite dapt gripen...memang best la...dapt C/D variant pon ok dah |
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Jun 22 2019, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 22 2019, 04:30 PM) the govt already given the military poor budget even now...do some google about millitary spending in ASEAN...we among lowest despite got problem here and there...ohhh....k...iran can threaten people due to nuclear la bro... what strategy??SAM??its not doable...we got no experience apart from jernas which is short range...so we need more money to train and maintain something we never operate on large scale before....so big no bro... LCA is good since we have 2 type LCA/LIFT which is hawk and MB339...by having single type we can reduce cost there for train and operation. MRCA also is need since its a program to replace MIG29 which already retired now....so yeah...all the requirement is needed and its already in place rather than SAM which whole new territory. for more, wait kertas putih pertahanan in few month...it should help us to know which things got green light or not.... |
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Jun 22 2019, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 22 2019, 05:12 PM) Yes the budget has been poor. It will continue to be poor. TUDM is like that RM2000 salary guy dreaming of Civic Ketam. So I'm saying better look at public transport. dude...you ok or not No SAM experience? Cmon! We already operate air defence radars. And as u said we have Jernas. N Navy has Seawolf. Sam operation is just an extension. Radar.. control.. Missile. ATM has radars n missiles experience. Only now to figure out a more capable approach. And if Vietnamese farmers and Arab goatherders can figure out SAM operations back in the 60s/70s, I'm sure our people can too. Vietnam, Singapore, Thai, Myanmar have decent SAM capabilities right now. Where they got experience then? "Not from childbirth. LCA also doesn't make sense as well. Why buy expensive training aircraft (and LCA is high end Trainer fighter not cikai type prop trainers ) to train pilots for MRCAs that we can't afford? SAM can be divided into 3 stage...we have very short range air defence(vshorad)or short range,medium range and long range...jernas and seawolf is within short range...all these type have different type of strategy and deployment..you cant treat short range SAM the same with MRSAM...let alone the type of missile used...if you interested more, you can read about THAAD and patriot missile AD...its not as easy as it seem...if you see the video on YT about those things,you will see some of them even write things on papers...why??even when all this technologies...heheh...find out bro...its not that easy... LCA or LIFT are different from MRCA....you cant sent LCA to fight with MRCA..both are on different league in term of speed,radar range and ordinance...LCA expensive?....dude...its not that expensive...its just RM is weak compare to USD which we all pay using USD when dealing with international trade...even USAF spending of trainer now with TX100 program because it important to have it... now the idea is to retain what we have rather than lose it...we already got good enough LCA to train and attack,so we need to retain what we have with the next purchase. using turboprop is cheap...sure but we lose the ability it give compare to hawk and mb399 give us...so we lose there... MRCA we cant afford???we could afford since the MRCA MIG was retired...so the budget is there...the problem is the govt is willing or not... |
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Jun 23 2019, 07:29 AM
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 22 2019, 07:50 PM) Budget comes from the rakyat pockets. It's not the God given right or even constitutional right for each service to get XXX amount. This Three Kingdoms mentality and rivalry is not good. Anyway many air forces operate large SAM systems. Eg Singapore, Vietnam. I say it's better for C3 purposes for SAM to be under air force Mig-29.Don't hv to replace. MIG was an air defence fighter, so if really worried about air defence gaps buy a SAM system. Much cheaper then any Mrca squadron.look at Yugoslavia. All their fighters were useless in the war, but their SAM (which was under air force) came out well. Mb1339 not flying anymorw...n quite new right? Very typical Malaysia. Now have to change to new more expensive Trainer. But if we don't buy any new MRCAs u don't need Lifts. Or rather need but now only for rwmaining squadrons. I suggest use the Hawks. Or we can outsource training to other places as well. QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 22 2019, 11:05 PM) It's your right to want whatever. the way your reply and thinking is worrisome....here...read some of this about defense...Govt finances now is worse than 5 years ago n this new govt will want to make sure it's not a one term govt. Not many ppl will vote for govt bcoz they buy fighters or MPA/AEW. They care more for PTPTN, subsidies, bailouts.. N sad to hear abt the mb-339. What a waste. Wonder whether there will be an investigation? (PH govt hobby) http://www.malaysiandefence.com/ https://www.janes.com/ its good and simple and it help...there are other good site but here the start...dont relied to much on normal media...all are shit when it come to military be it utusan or malaysiakini... dont get into "duit rakyat" mentality...its spoken by shit people to shit type of brain....if you follow that type of mentality,then even the money in everyone pocket got your name...is it???when you give money to other for service or material,and that is it...its not your money anymore...even if you pay tax or govt money...its not you money after that... each of ministry got their budget based on proposal+ expenditure...some get ups and downs due to govt objective.the govt objective is always for the people and voter...so they will concentrate on using the money for the citizen which is why we see education and healthcare will rise each budget...meanwhile some necessity such as millitary ,police,MMEA or bomba get cut here and there...even when govt focus on security,they will make project in country where it give citizen work and industry thus good for the voter rather than our security force...there is a lot of story here...start with amin shah and PSC-Naval Dockyard bro...its a fun read a lot of things can be explain but i dont think you will want to read more of my comment....so start with above bro.. |
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Jun 23 2019, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 23 2019, 02:48 PM) If u, like TUDM/ATM dream of mrcas, awacs etc, then you should be worried. if you have seen it,then you will know the TUDM CAP 55(comes with 2 squadron of MRCA+LCA+ground base air defense+MPA+AEW plane+UAV) is doable with around 1.6 billion -2 billion allocated budget for procurement for each RMK(each 5 year)...but by the end of the day, do the govt want to commit to it or not...that is the problem since the beginning...Thanks for the reading links. I hv seen those before. Nothing new. You can read this. Prof Jomo was in Council of Elders appointed by PH, so he should know what he is saying. https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2019/06/...arns-malaysians Prepare for tough times ahead, n ATM will not be excluded. In fact, I think ATM will be more starved. |
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Jun 24 2019, 04:52 AM
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 24 2019, 12:11 AM) Cap55 means 2055? .. That's a pretty long 35 more years (exclude this year) or 7 5-year Plans... read thisInteresting.. That's RM11.2-RM14 billion spending spread over the 35 years? Meaning about RM320-RM400 million a year...and by 2055 you get the end results of CAP55. Is my understanding of what u say correct? http://www.malaysiandefence.com/another-view-on-tudm-cap-55/ it can be done...but the problem always if the govt can commit or not...a credible military take decade of planning and commitment just to achieve that...we fall short on that always... |
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Jun 24 2019, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 24 2019, 02:21 PM) Ah.. 1.6-2b USD.. I thought it was in RM! Not so affordable then.. Other services also need funds. bro...as someone here said,the MRCA budget was 3 billion...that was USD ok...at exchange rate of RM4=1USD,its around RM 12 billion .. Past 5 year Defence Development Exp is about Rm16B. There will probably be a cut in 2021-2025 period. Say RM14b. Split into 3 services n joint forces budget.. I think Tudm should be lucky if can get USD1 b. if the govt can fork up 3billion USD for one time purchase,for sure they can reserve less than that for each 5 year plan...but again..like i said,the govt want to commit to it or not... |
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Jun 24 2019, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 24 2019, 05:12 PM) govt cant just simply take other dept/ministry money to do what they want...najib do that and look what happen to them..no...not RMAF decision at the end...in our govt,only PM have full power...other minster not so much...at most only MOF got around 50% power to do things and need to follow PM and EPU guide...other minister or ministry even low % than that since need to answer from MOF,PMO,EPU,dept and other...so no...its not up to RMAF or mindef...if you give full power to them, a lot of things we got bro... |
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Jun 25 2019, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 25 2019, 11:14 AM) 3 Malaysian representatives chosen to attend premier US military academies you should open tered at /k.....its a good exposure to ktard...![]() Muhammad Aniq Hilman Haslimi, Grace Sian Ern Hui, and Mateshan Varma Subramaniam, all 19, have been appointed to pursue their studies and prepare to become military officers at three prestigious United States service academies. Chosen to represent Malaysia after undergoing a rigorous selection process, they left for the US on June 17 and 18. The students previously completed their foundation studies at Universiti Pertahanan Nasional Malaysia (UPNM). Aniq, who was accepted to the US Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland, said: “I chose the armed forces instead of going commercial as I wanted to do something different. And I opted to go into the navy as I heard that the navy produces better pilots than the air force.” Grace Sian Ern Hui, who hails from Ampang, says she feels honoured to be the second Malaysian female cadet ever to study at a US service academy. Sian aspires to be a fighter jet pilot upon graduation from the US Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Mateshan, who is originally from Ipoh, comes from a military family, with his father and brother having served the country. “Now I’m going to join one of the best military academies in the world,” said Mateshan, who will attend the US Military Academy in West Point, New York. Expected to graduate in 2023, the students will be joining the exclusive ranks of 30 Malaysians who have graduated from the American military academies since 1971. Only 15 international candidates are accepted to each academy annually. |
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Jun 25 2019, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 25 2019, 01:46 PM) Means that the USD1. 6-2 billion tht you claim "doable" is purely on the basis of "hope" that the PM will increase ATM budget allocation significantly in the future. that is why i said,if the govt want to commit they can do it...govt want to commit to submarine and A400...and we have it despite the economy and hindrance......by the end of the day,its up to govt...Since all the signs are that we should be bracing for tough times ahead, sorry to say that this is just a military fanboy wet dream...I only hope Tudm does not do its planning that way. you called it wet dream but to me its a credible planning from a civilian stand point.people used to called acquiring kuwait hornet was wet dream and yet it got to the discussion table at mindef about it...hell...even canada buying 2nd hand hornet from Australia and trying to get kuwait hornet... again, by the end of the day its a up to govt if they want to commit or not...the KPP also will help the govt to commit to the plan |
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Jul 3 2019, 10:54 AM
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the lesson is look after your equipment reading the YT comment also fun.... this youtuber used to serve under US army and now migrate to canada and will serve under canada armed force...his opinion on land force is good also since he part of it... |
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Jul 6 2019, 08:25 PM
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