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atreyuangel
post Jun 22 2019, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(periuk_api1209 @ Jun 22 2019, 04:07 PM)
Abg mat gi france ni x bawak balik apa2 ke? Huhu..
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post Jun 22 2019, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 22 2019, 05:12 PM)
Yes the budget has been poor. It will continue to be poor. TUDM is like that RM2000 salary guy dreaming of Civic Ketam. So I'm saying better look at public transport.

No SAM experience? Cmon! We already operate air defence radars. And as u said we have Jernas. N Navy has Seawolf. Sam operation is just an extension. Radar.. control.. Missile. ATM has radars n missiles experience. Only now to figure out a more capable approach. And if Vietnamese farmers and Arab goatherders can figure out SAM operations back in the 60s/70s, I'm sure our people can too. Vietnam, Singapore, Thai, Myanmar have decent SAM capabilities right now. Where they got experience then? "Not from childbirth.

LCA also doesn't make sense as well. Why buy expensive training aircraft (and LCA is high end Trainer fighter not cikai type prop trainers ) to train pilots for MRCAs that we can't afford?
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SAM it is also important and because our country never even have a medium size sam it is a pertinent for air defense.

But there is something wrong with your statement

Airforce does need new fighter since MIG leave a loophole in the air defense especially the interceptor role

while Air Defense are under the the Tentera Darat

they both have their own respected budget why need to kacau air force budget while Darat have their own.
Air force and navy now only operated SHORAD or VSHORAD for base defense as more then that has fall under GAPU territory

for LCA because we need new trainer airfract as for now the MB339 is no more flying
nuff said
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post Jun 22 2019, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 22 2019, 07:50 PM)
Budget comes from the rakyat pockets. It's not the God given right  or even constitutional right for each service to get XXX amount. This Three Kingdoms mentality and rivalry is not good.

Anyway many air forces operate large SAM systems. Eg Singapore, Vietnam. I say it's better for C3 purposes for SAM to be under air force

Mig-29.Don't hv to replace. MIG was an air defence fighter, so if really worried about air defence gaps buy a SAM system. Much cheaper then any Mrca squadron.look at Yugoslavia. All their fighters were useless in the war, but their SAM (which was under air force) came out well.

Mb1339 not flying anymorw...n quite new right? Very typical Malaysia.  Now have to change to new more expensive Trainer.

But if we don't buy any new MRCAs u don't need Lifts. Or rather  need but now only for rwmaining squadrons. I suggest use the Hawks. Or we can outsource training to other places as well.
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semua main duit rakyat eh, aku pun bayar cukai jugak
dan kalau aku suka lagi kalau ada MPA/AEW dari fighter baru so apa macam

semua masing2 dah ada bajet diperuntukan ikut cabang masing2 bukan main ikut suka

dan doktrin pertahanan negara meletakan pertahanan udara utama pada GAPU tak perlu ikut negara luar sangat.
Malaysia ni bukan besar mana pun dan banyak2 cabantg yang lain

MB339 is not flying due to its engine problem and until piaggio and RR buck up the plane will not fly and since the last crash it will not continue to fly

the Leonardo actually offer to buy back the plane
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post Jun 22 2019, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 22 2019, 11:05 PM)
It's your right to want whatever.

Govt finances now is worse than 5 years ago n this new govt will want to make sure it's not a one term govt. Not many ppl will vote for govt bcoz they buy fighters or MPA/AEW. They care more for PTPTN, subsidies, bailouts..

N sad to hear abt the mb-339. What a waste. Wonder whether there will be an investigation? (PH govt hobby)
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the Piaggio and RR issue is not with ours, PH have to take it up with the Italian

here is another info for MMRCA we have 3 billion have been reserved for this
the last time we heard about the money is when the last administration shift the budget towards MPA

and since the new gomen the news of MPA are started to picking up
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post Jul 6 2019, 05:10 PM

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