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post Jun 23 2007, 03:23 PM

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As long as you the driver supports 1:1, doesn't really matter. You only need hardware 1:1 if you hook up your console to it.
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post Jun 23 2007, 06:20 PM

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Why not get from s[H]sIkuA?
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/451831
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post Jun 24 2007, 12:54 AM

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Browsing through some forums researching LCDs, I've seen that problem mentioned a few times. From what I read the people had to RMA them.
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post Jun 24 2007, 01:56 PM

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Why do you need 1:1 mapping so much? You have a console you plan to hook it up to?

I think BeHardware is pretty respectable.
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post Jun 25 2007, 02:36 PM

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That is why it's a pretty good idea to go to a store and look at the monitor for yourself. I know Dell doesn't have any brick and mortar - you might wanna consider another monitor. Honestly this is the main reason why I'm leery of buying LCD's online.
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post Jun 26 2007, 08:40 AM

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You're quite likely to get a refurbished unit unless your monitor is very new. Just think about it this way. It's simply more economical for them to send out refurbished rather than fully new units.
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post Jun 26 2007, 09:37 AM

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I doubt Samsung will release all S panels. They're just gonna stop putting any panel info on the monitor or hidden menus, which they've already done.


Also, Dell is subject to panel lottery as well.


Added on June 26, 2007, 9:55 amAnd just when you think you were safe... you're not.

from the Hardforums.

Dell Censors Panel lottery info. Share info here.

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post Jun 26 2007, 10:44 AM

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Difference is pretty subjective. Nothing beats the good old side by side comparison.
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post Jun 26 2007, 03:00 PM

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Dell UltraSharp 2007WFP (panel lottery, PVA panel of poor quality). The S-IPS version belongs above the VX2025WM in the Multimedia section. Those who are willing to take the gamble and exchange until they get an S-IPS are welcome to, but because of this panel lottery it can't be recommended to the general public. The dethroning is extremely unfortunate because the S-IPS version is the flagship of 20" widescreen LCDs, second only to the NEC 20WMGX2. The PVA version doesn't even come close (it's bad even for PVA, you'd probably prefer a TN).


Taken from here
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post Jun 27 2007, 09:32 AM

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There was a discussion of Dell panel lottery over on Dell support boards, but they got censored to bits.

The gist of the info, Dell often starts out with S-IPS panels and then later (after reviews) quietly switches over to cheaper PVA panels. After the second panel is introduced, they seem to put in whatever they get cheaper that month.

Some history:

Dell released the 2001fp with S-IPS, by the end switched to PVA.
Dell released the 2007fp with S-IPS, then soon switched to PVA.
Dell released the 2007wfp with S-IPS. They are just now switching to PVA (PVAs seen in Austrailia, Asia and North America.).
Also on the 1907, the panels were consistently TN but different manufacturers.

Starting with the A03 release Dell has started to obscure the Panel information. This seems to be thier solution to panel lottery complaints. Hide the panel information. A list of new Dell panel codes was starting to be compiled when they were removed:

2007 WFP A03 - Panel code RT803: S-IPS LG.Philips LM201W01: - Overwhelming evidence)
2007 WFP A03 - Panel code PM330: S-PVA Samsung LTM201M1: Strong evidence)
2007 FP A03 - Panel Code UW473: S-PVA Samsung LTM201U1: Proof, someone disassembled )
2007 FP A03 - Panel Code HN210: S-IPS LG.Philips LM201U05: Suspected, process of elimination.

If you get an A03 Dell, share your Panel info from the service menu, so we can translate dells codes back into panel info. Especially if you are sure you know what type of panel you have, or even better you have taken it apart to confirm.

NOTE: If you have an older panel, the panel name is not obscured, it will directly tell you which panel you have.

To see the service menu(panel info on top line):

Turn off the monitor.
Hold down "menu" and the "+" while powering up the monitor.
When monitor is fully powered and the input graphic disappears: release "menu" and "+" then press the "-" button



It appears that not so many hoops are needed. The serial number reveals who manufactures your panel look at the last character it should be a letter:

My returned Dell 2007fp with Samsung PVA ended in "S".

"S" for Samsung (PVA in 2007 series).
"L" for LG (S-IPS in 2007 series).














QUOTE(akachester @ Jun 27 2007, 08:26 AM)
Yea, i am curiously wanting to know what is the panel of my Dell LCD. What are the panels that they have?

Cause at the back of my LCD, there is a sticker stating that the model is E228WFPc. By any chance the "c" means C Panel?

EDITED:

Great news from Dell. Their response is absolutely something to be praised about. I called them regarding this issue on Monday evening. Due to the problem of me not in front of my LCD, they could not solve some problem. Instead, they emailed me during the night, and the day after (due to the fact that i didnt check my email that day  tongue.gif ). After a confirmation email with them about my faulty LCD on yesterday night, they called me just now regarding this issue..

In their part, they say that they will be sending me a "BRAND NEW" LCD tomorrow via a courier service. Well, i double confirmed with them and they still say its brand new. Therefore, i MIGHT really get a brand new one. Anyway, just in case, how do i check whether its refurbished or not?
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post Jun 27 2007, 10:55 AM

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No, I won't stop. I haven't read the the V1 version.
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post Jun 27 2007, 11:02 PM

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Yeah it's just a product refresh, not a change in bezel from what I've read.
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post Jun 28 2007, 10:01 PM

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I got no prior experience with kianwee, but I doubt they need a photo. I mean anyone can doctor a photo to show dead pixels. Photoshop, baby!
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post Jun 28 2007, 10:27 PM

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Actually I meant I got no prior experience like kianwee. Whoops!
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post Jun 30 2007, 10:36 AM

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post Jun 30 2007, 10:55 AM

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All 22" are TNs right now, however the smaller models have PVA/MVA and IPS panels as well.
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post Jul 1 2007, 01:52 PM

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Here's the only review I've found so far on the Samsung 245B.
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post Jul 1 2007, 11:29 PM

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Has it been released here in Malaysia? What price if so?
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post Jul 1 2007, 11:53 PM

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Need to see more reviews to see how the input lag is. I'm one of those people that always notice tearing, and always notice if input lag. Quite hate it when most of my friends can play without having to have vsync on.
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post Jul 2 2007, 12:33 AM

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I don't know about the Dell but the Samsungs you mentioned don't have it.

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