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 80s babies, have they started buying property?

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post Jun 13 2018, 11:16 PM

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I think its not a good idea to become overgeared in this market.

I have 1 property. Just a mid/low cost apartment.

Is it normal for everyone to have gotten their property?
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post Jun 13 2018, 11:22 PM

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Is there any wonder why the property market got so overheated.

I think the proper questoon to ask is. Who here hasnt bought a property.
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post Jun 14 2018, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(GangHo @ Jun 13 2018, 10:39 PM)
i am from the 70s. bought 3 my own hard earned money, few more under my name but not bought by myself. 2 wife got 2.

not from rich family. conservative investment.

believe that when the 80s babies enter the market, there will be a property boom in malaysia. when do u think it will come.

this is part of the reason why i started this topic.
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80's babies already in. Even 90's also in. Property boom did happen.
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post Jun 14 2018, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jun 14 2018, 02:46 PM)
I blif tis statistic is based on purchase of new props with slightly more accurate psf or absolute price as recorded on book since subsales prices r vary even thou few units along the same street.

In a way for subsales, owner onli need 1 genuine offer to close the case. Dun need 33m of malai population to sell 1 unit ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜…

Anw to to b fair, not all the time every1 has the 1 genuine of the buyer comes across at the ngam timing

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post Jun 14 2018, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jun 14 2018, 02:57 PM)
Boss I tok kok nia. Soli soli. I shall instead go for a noon nap ohmy.gif
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No la, i think u know the most 1.
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post Jun 19 2018, 03:15 PM

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The loan of a property is usually 30 years. For many of the new buyers. The question is, how many of these buyers can withstand a major recession, because there will be 1 major recession coming in the next 30 years.

If the rental cant cover the loan. Which is basically all the residential properties now. How r those who purchased 2 properties and up going to withstand the crisis.

Do they have sufficient buffer in the event the income dries up? How levered r they? We can see in the auction market now that many didnt have the buffer. There has been no financial or economic crisis.
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post Jun 19 2018, 04:54 PM

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Ppl talking about the genration of renters, but it seems like everyone wants several properties.
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post Jun 19 2018, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jun 19 2018, 03:31 PM)
for example, when you 1st started getting loan of 30yrs tenure, you were a young and beautiful or handsome accounts clerk.

are you expecting to be accounts clerk for the next 30 years?

if your answer is resounding YES, then you need to be very very worried about the next recession.
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What i mean to say is. Most people dont have the safety net of say 1 or 2 years of personal expenses in the event of a major crisis in their lives. What more with the burden of 2 to 3 properties.

If u have 1 or 2 years of negative cashflow of 4 to 8k per month out of the next 30 years, ur property portfolio will be worth almost nothing. Unless u r earning 6 figures a year. Especially if this happens when the market is slow and it gets auctioned off significantly below what u paid for it. Maybe u will have some capital gains, but that will not cover the interest u paid.

U just need 1 or 2 bad years out of 30, and ur portfolio can turn to dust. Overleveraging is a real problem. I do believe that in the past these 30 year loans didnt exist.

A 1984 crisis, or a 1998 asian financial crisis, where the economy really suffered. That will be interesting to see what happens to the property market.

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post Jun 19 2018, 05:16 PM

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Now is probably a better time to buy than say 2014 or 2015 though.
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post Jun 19 2018, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(Tan&tan @ Jun 19 2018, 06:07 PM)
6 figures a year ? 200k or 800k . If 200k I think any Ali or ah beng also got la . Just 18k a month .
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How many ppl u know earn that much. Many ppl earn a lot spend a lot also.

Of course if u r making 18k a month then by all means. Get a few prop la. I also heard of ppl work in sg everywhere year buy 1 condo in malaysia. Most ppl is not like that.
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post Jun 19 2018, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(Tan&tan @ Jun 19 2018, 06:18 PM)
All of my friends earn around that . 6 figure a year is a mass income I think . Unless you say 6 figure a month but no wow factor also . A lot of 80โ€™s earn 6 figure a month ...
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Depends on who u r hanging out with la. But i believe most ppl here are not talking about that.

Sounds like u r showing off.
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post Jun 19 2018, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jun 19 2018, 07:29 PM)
2 or 3 properties?

I thought yr concern of 1 property with loan tenure of 30 years, no?

Gearing issue is another topic alltogether
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If u dont have the disposable income where ur property can be untenanted for 1 year then yes. 1 property.


Edit: ur instalment period is for 30 years. However 3 months of non payment and the bank can auction ur property.

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post Jun 19 2018, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(Tan&tan @ Jun 19 2018, 06:18 PM)
All of my friends earn around that . 6 figure a year is a mass income I think . Unless you say 6 figure a month but no wow factor also . A lot of 80โ€™s earn 6 figure a month ...
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I think it was cimb that came up with a class of clients called mass affluent. The criteria was rm50k in savings.

Premier banking is rm200k or 300k. I think cash or liquid assets.

Last i heard private banking should be about 3 to 4mil in liquid assets. Cant rmb which bank.
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post Jun 19 2018, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Jun 19 2018, 08:43 PM)
Talk to the bank lah
Sure can strike a deal de.

If one doesnt have big head, dun wear investors hat.
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Ok la, u very rich loh. I am saying the same thing. Dun buy buy buy later got crisis cash tight then ur in trouble.



How come this forum seems like got ppl insulting me 1. Dunno cockroach got spread what false rumour about me.
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post Jun 19 2018, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(GangHo @ Jun 19 2018, 09:17 PM)
its not that many like to insult you.

they probably know about overleveraging than you and i do. Some just dun like people nagging over the samething all the time when they already aware about it.

you and i belonging to the same group i think, the conservative type. i make my not so conservative move though few years ago by engaging what i consider to be heavy weights in my own capacity. not regret though, i have been lucky i guess or have i been worrying too much instead?

i have been admiring those that are bolder than me. They make calculated moves though, not blind folded pure guessing games. and deserve their rewards. don't think that they simply hamtam.

i read 1 book about business, the author says,Don't do business if you are not ready to lose. there is not one business that can 100% guarantee profit.

some people know that they might in chance need to lelong their property, but they are fine with it because they earn from other properties. they might even receive hefty returns and able to pay for the lelong property but choose not to do so. cause when grapes turn sour, one need to throw it.
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Nobody is insulting me directly. It just feels like somebody has been saying something, and indirectly ppl r making comments that r shooting arrows at me, based on some rumours that have been spread. If that makes any sense.
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post Jun 19 2018, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jun 19 2018, 09:35 PM)
Boss pls share the rumours. Soli ya I likey to b kepochi a bit. PM oso can ๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†
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Alot of thiisss. And that a lot of thhhaaatt.

All fake 1.
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post Jun 19 2018, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jun 19 2018, 09:55 PM)
Haiz soli boss my IQ bit low le not able to teka teki ๐Ÿ˜ข๐Ÿ˜ข๐Ÿ˜ข
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My IQ also veli average 1. I want property many like unker giggs, IQ dun need high.

Basically a lot of news about me is fake 1 lah. How to explain is also difficult. Just many things happening in my life, ppl r making comments that r not reflective of reality. Many with very negative connotations.
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post Jun 19 2018, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(Lion Cut @ Jun 19 2018, 09:54 PM)
will there be a market crash or dip....im aiming for 2nd props.
currently not in great appetite to buy
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Hard to say whether it will crash, but i think if u can afford maybe u should just go ahead. Even if there is a major crash, 10 to 15 years down the line the value will be higher than now. What u can be comfortable with is that, u r in a better position than the ppl who bought from 2014 to early 2017.



Key word is can afford or not la, got buffer or not. U know the market well or not. If no then the lelong market awaits.

I got other investments, so i just sit and wait for a good opportunity. The investments i make r vis a vis the opportunity sets available to me.

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post Jun 19 2018, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jun 19 2018, 10:25 PM)
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post Jun 20 2018, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(GangHo @ Jun 20 2018, 12:08 AM)
now this an interesting question.

we say that the property market is depending on demand and supply. but demand is depending on what? i believe demand is depending on many factors but population is but one of them, not even sure if it is the biggest factor.

one of big factor that affect demand is salary. today, if we earn as much as singporean or hongkee, we would be buying maybe 3 times as much. this is much much faster than population. how long it takes for our population to be double or triple?

if we compared again, country like singapore, hong kong and Taiwan. they have small population but how many unit of houses do they have in their country? Perhaps we look into average house over population comparison.

as salary grows, the whole population of malaysia would buy more even they don't need to stay in it. as they have more disposable income, they buy more to fight against inflation.

juz imagine if suddenly malaysian salary increase 3 folds, minus their basic needs they would have the capacity to buy maybe 3 or more properties that they currently can afford, so demand would 3 times more and supply 3 times more.

if we have big population and all the people very poor, there is real demand but they can't afford so supply would be small. so if people is rich and they have confident in the country, they buy more properties and compound by foreign interest, the demand grow even larger.
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Hong kong is not only a small island, it is a small mountainous island. Where much of the land is unusable. Sg also has a lack of land. Taiwan is also an island, and they have capital coming from china.

Edit: dont mean to be racist. But place with chinese property price tend to be higher.

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