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post May 20 2007, 07:37 PM, updated 19y ago

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Does the normal rate of tax apply for students who fulfil miti's requirements for a student AP? (ie. 170% for 1800-2000cc cars)



From: http://www.miti.gov.my/ekpweb/application?...325184151636235

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Can a Malaysian working or studying abroad bring back vehicle/car to Malaysia. What are the conditions?

Effective 18 September 2000, several criteria have to be met by any Malaysian studying or working abroad in applying for an import licence (AP) to bring back his vehicle. The criteria are:

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      Applicant must be legally staying abroad for a minimum of one year.
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      The vehicle must be registered and insured under the applicant's name for at least nine months.
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      Applicant has a valid driving licence (temporary/probationary licence not accepted).
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      Applicant returns to Malaysia permanently after completing his study or working stint overseas.

Individuals not conforming to the above criteria are advised not to bring back their vehicles. Otherwise, MITI will not be responsible to approve the import licence, even though the vehicle has arrived in Malaysia. Most probably, The Royal Customs and Excise Department of Malaysia will take legal action against the owner of the vehicle who imported it without AP.

This regulation applies to:

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      Government officers who further their studies overseas.
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      Malaysian students overseas.
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      Malaysian citizens who work and stay overseas.
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      Husband, wife and children of staff serving the Malaysian Embassies/High Commissions and representatives.

The applicant has to apply by completing Form J.K. 69. This form can be purchased from Percetakan Nasional Malaysia Berhad, Kuala Lumpur or any of its branches. Completed applications, together with relevant supporting documents, must be submitted to the Ministry of International Trade and Industry, Kuala Lumpur.

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http://www.masduke.com/faq.php

According to the site above, you still have to pay 140% import tax for first 1799 cc and 170% for 1800-1999 cc.

So I guess the answer to your question is yes.
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I don't understand, why AP if still pay tax?
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post May 20 2007, 09:55 PM

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AP is PERMIT to bring in the car, just a yes to bring it home. Tax is another story altogether.
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wow such a nice way to put it...but how much does it cost to ship back a car?
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QUOTE(rcracer @ May 20 2007, 09:55 PM)
AP is PERMIT to bring in the car, just a yes to bring it home. Tax is another story altogether.
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Then what's the fuss about Cartrade and Naza being given APs?
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post May 20 2007, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(ezralimm @ May 20 2007, 10:18 PM)
Then what's the fuss about Cartrade and Naza being given APs?
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because they sold it overprice
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QUOTE(xordMeztGeR @ May 20 2007, 10:46 PM)
because they sold it overprice
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? They sold it underpriced! If AP requires 140% to 300% tax, there's NO WAY their cars could be that cheap.
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ May 20 2007, 10:48 PM)
? They sold it underpriced! If AP requires 140% to 300% tax, there's NO WAY their cars could be that cheap.
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actually they miss used the AP,
AP is only for ppl working/studying overseas to bring back the car,
''dunno how'' the car deallers can get so many AP
as i know 1 person only can have 1 AP,

last time i heard they sell the AP for RM10k for 1,

so the cost of the car in overseas is cheap,and the TAX for AP car is only 140% above where the GOV normally tax 400% above for imports car
so in total plus shipping AP cars is still cheaper than the imports

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QUOTE(porkchop @ May 20 2007, 10:10 PM)
wow such a nice way to put it...but how much does it cost to ship back a car?
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shipping cost from japan to here is rm6k . if u dont have any friend inside , sure hard to get that AP.
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QUOTE(kelvio @ May 20 2007, 11:17 PM)
actually they miss used the AP,
AP is only for ppl working/studying overseas to bring back the car,
''dunno how'' the car deallers can get so many AP
as i know 1 person only can have 1 AP,

last time i heard they sell the AP for RM10k for 1,

so the cost of the car in overseas is cheap,and the TAX for AP car is only 140% above where the GOV normally tax 400% above  for imports car
so in total plus shipping AP cars is still cheaper than the imports
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No car has 400% tax if i remember correctly

For the last time...

Stop thinking that imported cars have 300% tax. Ok, if you were looking for a ferarri or McLaren then yes, it's 300%. But for sub-2000cc imports, the standard tax is 140%.

A Toyota Corolla (ie Altis) in Malaysia is NOT taxed anywhere near 300%. I'd say 140% is about right.



I had always thought getting an AP meant that you did not have to pay tax. Was I mistaken?


Added on May 21, 2007, 12:17 am
QUOTE(xeratos_85 @ May 20 2007, 11:25 PM)
shipping cost from japan to here is rm6k . if u dont have any friend inside , sure hard to get that AP.
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That's my point. I thought having an AP meant reduced tax or something (hence the Cartrade/Naza controversy).

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post May 21 2007, 12:33 AM

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Don't think you can escape paying taxes even if you have an AP. As someone mentioned earlier, AP just allows you to import your car to Malaysia and drive it out of the port.

Regarding the controversy, I wasn't in the country at that time so I'm not exactly sure what happened, but I think it was because APs were being "bought by certain parties" and handed out in excessive amounts? I'm sure they must make quite a healthy profit from imported car sales, even after paying taxes, justifying the 5ish figure price paid per AP.
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a 30kAUD typeR became 90kRMx130%+90K= 200k Rm. worth it?
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Worth it or not, depends from person to person I guess. Personally, I think it's too expensive.
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eh?? all this time I thought AP means your car won't get taxed... or at least taxed lesser than what gabemen usually taxed the car??


Confuse here... rclxub.gif
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post May 21 2007, 01:35 AM

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getting AP doesnt mean u can escape tax, if not, everybody will be rushing to get it. The government is not stupid. They will do whatever it takes to protect the nation's income, and consequently proton, lol.

if i'm not mistaken, if the car is more than 5 years old, it wont be taxed after AP.

If no tax with AP, i'd go to Brunei to buy my car and bring back to Malaysia, over there its TAX FREE.
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the max is only 200%.. but Naza n AP king crony sold the vehicle at 300%...

CKD Honda Civic might only pay 40%-60%of tax from it origin price..
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Naza is bullshit, their cars are overpriced, the commotion caused was that the government never acknowledged on how they obtained their AP, corruption.

besides, most of the people who buys from them are rich anyway, since they sell alot of rare exotics.
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QUOTE(Xonius @ May 21 2007, 01:35 AM)
getting AP doesnt mean u can escape tax, if not, everybody will be rushing to get it. The government is not stupid. They will do whatever it takes to protect the nation's income, and consequently proton, lol.

if i'm not mistaken, if the car is more than 5 years old, it wont be taxed after AP.

If no tax with AP, i'd go to Brunei to buy my car and bring back to Malaysia, over there its TAX FREE.
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So does that mean if I buy a 5+ year old 2nd hand car here in the UK and apply for a student AP, I won't have to pay tax if I bring it back to Malaysia? It would be awesome if that's the case.
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QUOTE(Chinoz @ May 21 2007, 01:50 AM)
So does that mean if I buy a 5+ year old 2nd hand car here in the UK and apply for a student AP, I won't have to pay tax if I bring it back to Malaysia? It would be awesome if that's the case.
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lol of course not, u must legally OWN the car for five years for the tax exemption. The real age of the car does not matter.
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no... you still need to pay the tax..
it just lower than wat u need to pay at here..
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Doh you should've said so in your earlier post. You gave me hopes for a moment there tongue.gif
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lol, my hopes were crushed a long time ago tongue.gif *keeps dreaming*
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how does motocycle works? thinking of bringing back harley.
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QUOTE(su8aru @ May 21 2007, 01:41 AM)
the max is only 200%.. but Naza n AP king crony sold the vehicle at 300%...

CKD Honda Civic might only pay 40%-60%of  tax from it origin price..
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sheesh, correct your facts dude. The max is 300% on the official customs.gov.my list.


Added on May 21, 2007, 6:39 am
QUOTE(su8aru @ May 21 2007, 01:54 AM)
no... you still need to pay the tax..
it just lower than wat u need to pay at here..
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su8aru, AP tax is calculated from a reference list of used car prices. The tax is not lower. Just based on market value.





Guys, where did you get the information about the 5 year rule?




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You must own the car for 9 mnths to qualify..
70% tax off the intial retail price ... after 6 years old.. 10% off the remaining price every year after..

So very little tax if the car is 7 to 8 years old...
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BeastX (or anyone for that matter) can you verify your claim?

Would be great if that's true smile.gif
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what is stated is mostly right... in the process of exporting one myself from Japan

the percentage I quote is only from the intial value - minus depreciation x tax...

example...100k car after 6/7 years 30k x 300%(varaiable according to cc and category) would cost about 120k in all..

below 2l car 7/8 yo value at 30k usually has 25 to 30k in tax... so 60k...

the car is not transferable for 2 years after import

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QUOTE(ezralimm @ May 20 2007, 10:18 PM)
Then what's the fuss about Cartrade and Naza being given APs?
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ May 20 2007, 10:48 PM)
? They sold it underpriced! If AP requires 140% to 300% tax, there's NO WAY their cars could be that cheap.
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QUOTE(kelvio @ May 20 2007, 11:17 PM)
actually they miss used the AP,
AP is only for ppl working/studying overseas to bring back the car,
''dunno how'' the car deallers can get so many AP
as i know 1 person only can have 1 AP,

last time i heard they sell the AP for RM10k for 1,

so the cost of the car in overseas is cheap,and the TAX for AP car is only 140% above where the GOV normally tax 400% above  for imports car
so in total plus shipping AP cars is still cheaper than the imports
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QUOTE(Chinoz @ May 21 2007, 12:33 AM)
Don't think you can escape paying taxes even if you have an AP. As someone mentioned earlier, AP just allows you to import your car to Malaysia and drive it out of the port.

Regarding the controversy, I wasn't in the country at that time so I'm not exactly sure what happened, but I think it was because APs were being "bought by certain parties" and handed out in excessive amounts? I'm sure they must make quite a healthy profit from imported car sales, even after paying taxes, justifying the 5ish figure price paid per AP.
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The controversy is the conditions that the AP's can be give out were totally overlooked when these people were awarded the AP's. There are a few types of AP's where for importing CBU cars and CKD cars, there were conditions that to be granted an AP you first need to have a company with a certain number of sales branches or a manafacturing facility BUT the AP's were given to people who weren't even in the automotive industry let alone have a single sales branch for that matter.

Secondly if i remember correctly some parties were grossly underdeclaring the value of the cars OR declaring them as second hand cars/recond cars when they were actuallly new to avoid the taxes there.

Thridly the number of AP's that were awarded were astounding in the region of hundreds to ONE single person only who then took the liberty of SELLING the AP's which is NOT allowed because they are meant to be used by the person to whom it was granted too.

Last but not least, all those who were granted AP frivolously were some way or other related to a certain minister in a certain department.

http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/24/how...ke-their-money/

http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/29/an-ap-kings-home/

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Ok, so i guess the conclusion is that even with an AP i'll still have to pay 140% tax on the market value of the car. Is that right?



That was a very good explanation of the AP controversy. Thanks. I always wondered what all the fuss was about.

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Ezralimm, that is correct. No escaping taxes smile.gif
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Ok, I am going to UK to study, since you cannot beat the AP system anyway to take advantage of it?
In UK there are lots of pre-registered cars there-where the dealer registers the cars using their own name to boost sales performance. Pre-registered cars are then sold to you but its considered 2nd hand. And almost all the time the cars are brand new. So 2nd hand lebih murah? So can bypass the 9mth rule?

BTW, if you buy the car, ship it, make sure don't put anything in the car, they will throw it away. Only manual can put in the car, the rest cannot, so don't think this is one cheap way of shipping some of your stuff back cause customs will just throw it away. Cushions/ornaments also cannot put.

Well on value I think it depends on person. Bring in Euro Accord Type-R or something not sold here than thats rare, but still can be servicable by authorized workshops.
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You have to own the car for 9 months before you're eligible to bring it back. So no you can't bypass the 9 month rule.

The bigger the CC of the car, the higher the tax you have to pay upon shipping it to Malaysia. I think the only way you can benefit from this is to bring in something not sold in Malaysia. Price wise, I don't think you'll save much (if any) compared to a car that's available locally.
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Thanks for the replies guys.

Bottom Line:

I will have to pay 140% tax for a sub2L light (>1100kg) car I plan to get soon.

This will definitely affect my choice of vehicle. A manual 1.4 Getz is going for AUD14000 (RM42k) driveaway. While a Corolla is about AUD23500 (RM70k) for a 1.8L Manual. If it was possible to bring a car back with low/reduced tax, i would lean towards the toyota. But for now the getz seems like a better deal for me.
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ May 21 2007, 09:48 PM)
So 2nd hand lebih murah? So can bypass the 9mth rule?

BTW, if you buy the car, ship it, make sure don't put anything in the car, they will throw it away. Only manual can put in the car, the rest cannot, so don't think this is one cheap way of shipping some of your stuff back cause customs will just throw it away. Cushions/ornaments also cannot put.
2nd hand plus at least 6 to 7 years old..

send by 20/40footer container ... you can dunk all valaubles, accesoriess, furniture. bed, tv, bike, fridge, etc in as well.

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QUOTE(ezralimm @ May 21 2007, 06:36 AM)
sheesh, correct your facts dude. The max is 300% on the official customs.gov.my list.
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dude u mean the list where a brand new camry only 50k??

while i believe those car in the list havent add the manufacture profits..

u take any price from Audi or BMW vehicle in uk... after convert the currency and see the difference is it got 300% of tax..
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As of March 22nd 2006... The maximum tax charged is only 165% for above 3L ... no longer 300%

customs.gov.my have not update their site in a long time... 2 years at least... still use old 2005 calculation

130% for below 2L engine... no matter van/car/4wd.
source: http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/24/nap-tax-rates/

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QUOTE(su8aru @ May 22 2007, 02:15 PM)
dude u mean the list where a brand new camry only 50k??

while i believe those car in the list havent add the manufacture profits..

u take any price from Audi or BMW vehicle in uk... after convert the currency and see the difference is it got 300% of tax..
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A brand new Camry over here in melbourne is about RM100k on the road (disregard the prices you see online... the dont include govt and dealer and delivery charges)

Australian tax is 4% if i remember correctly.
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I thought to "gain" on importing it has to be used luxury cars as they are cheaper there than they are here, even the cost of bringing one back is cheaper than a used model here.

http://www.customs.gov.my/index.php?option...id=48&Itemid=28


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QUOTE(BeastX @ May 21 2007, 06:59 AM)
You must own the car for 9 mnths to qualify..
70% tax off the intial retail price ... after 6 years old.. 10% off the remaining price every year after..

So very little tax if the car is 7 to 8 years old...
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hi,

im planning to bring a car home (Merc SLK 230 year 1998) from NZ end of this year. but im not so sure how to calculate the tax. Would really appreciate if u can help me with this!

Thanks smile.gif
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Its not worth it to bring in cars that you owned overseas. When my bro bought a holden astra back in melb he has to endure the pain and admin work till he gave up in brining back his car n he rather stayed there. As long as proton exists and under unjustified protection by our government (which I think its against human rights!), there's no no way our price can be as cheap as our neighbouring and other more developed countries. Thats the sad fact that we have endured for over 20 years! and are forced to pay unridiculously high amount to own a car.

I wonder how the sep. MITI thingy is gonna to take shape and if I remember some words correctly by our own Ministry of Trade, if at all possible, favors and lesser burden shall be made to malaysians/rakyats. I hope now they do realized, something which they should have done 15 years ago, is to take away the forever unforgiving high taxes on cars so ordinary malaysians can afford and drive a good and safe decent car for their own good which I think as a whole, have many good factors toward our country and individuals too.

 

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