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> A challenge for traditional Islam, In the 'new Malaysia'

puchongite
post Nov 6 2018, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(ramz @ Nov 6 2018, 05:12 PM)
https://www.malaymail.com/s/1690623/anwar-m...-based-policies

The most sensible thing Anwar has said in years. Keep it up. All we ask is to be fair. For all malaysians
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Haha biasa lah.

I have always noticed, he is very 'forefront' when talking to foreign media. And when talking to local media or media from muslim countries, he is very righteous and Islamic.
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post Nov 7 2018, 09:08 AM

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/05/asia/asia-bi...intl/index.html

The case of Asia bibi that was imprisoned for 8 years for blasphemy. She got acquitted after 8 years in prison, not because she is innocent, but because not enough evidence. But the acquittal is not in her favour, coz stupid judges don't allow her to leave the country. Now nearly the whole Pakistan wants to kill her for short cut to heaven. Talk about from frying pan into the fire

Blasphemy law, I'm just here using my common sense, is just a plain stupid and inhumane law.
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post Nov 7 2018, 09:25 AM

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Why angry believers take action on blasphemy? God is not angry or He doesn't seem to care at all. If He does, then He will send tsunami. Asia Bibi is not inflicted with disease or random misfortune so that must mean God has better plan. Then sometimes believers claim no human can know God's mind, so these believers calling for death are actually murderers using God name ...
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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Nov 7 2018, 09:25 AM)
Why angry believers take action on blasphemy? God is not angry or He doesn't seem to care at all. If He does, then He will send tsunami. Asia Bibi is not inflicted with disease or random misfortune so that must mean God has better plan. Then sometimes believers claim no human can know God's mind, so these believers calling for death are actually murderers using God name ...
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Just plain stupid. The source of problem is this lovely thing call religion that everybody likes to be a part of when the chips are up, but nobody wants to to take ownership when the chips are down. I just don't know what defines a religion anymore. Is all so fuzzy.

Ask the question is it islamic what Asia bini gone through? You will get 60 percent Muslim say yes, 40 percent say no. And the rest of the world? No.no.no.no.no.no. what the 40 percent do? Nothing much. What the rest of the world do? Complain louder than the 40 percent.

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Nov 6 2018, 05:16 PM)
Haha biasa lah.

I have always noticed, he is very 'forefront' when talking to foreign media. And when talking to local media or media from muslim countries, he is very righteous and Islamic.
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This has been pretty much standard about Anwar Ibrahim - this 2 face.

Frankly, with the internet, it is such a lame tactic. This is exactly what Patrick Teoh was talking about wrt Anwar in his book.
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post Nov 11 2018, 07:33 AM

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‘New Malaysia’ but same old mentality against Shias, other Muslims, says activist

Dr Ahmad Farouk Musa calls for a new narrative of freedom in post-BN Malaysia.

PETALING JAYA: Vocal Muslim activist Dr Ahmad Farouk Musa says Muslim bureaucrats in post-Barisan Nasional Malaysia have still not changed their ways, as they continue to demonise and clamp down on religious minorities, especially those from the Shia school of thought which is labelled “deviant” by local Islamic authorities.

Farouk, whose outfit Islamic Renaissance Front (IRF) have frequently spoken out against Islamic enforcement agencies, said while the Pakatan Harapan government did well in terms of weeding out corruption and reviving the economy, Islamic administration still suffered from the same weaknesses.

He said Shia Muslims, for example, continue to be demonised through the weekly Friday sermons as well as raids on their gatherings.

He said it has come to the stage that Muslims, who do not subscribe to the official interpretation, have it worse when compared to non-Muslims.

“If you say that Christians are restricted from erecting crosses on their buildings or that their right to express their faith in open spaces are curbed, then the Shias and Ahmadi Muslims have it much worse,” he told FMT on the sidelines of a forum on religious extremism and minorities yesterday.

Farouk said the government has yet to be firm in dealing with the demonisation of Shia Muslims, adding that they have the same constitutional rights to practise their faith.

“Under the constitution, every person has the right to profess and practise his religion. So it’s wrong and unconstitutional to restrict Shia Muslims from practising their faith,” he said.

“We live in the 21st century. If we think our faith is the most correct faith, why are we so afraid to let other people practise their beliefs?” he asked.


He urged PH not to go down the previous administration’s path of “double-speak” in religious matters.

He said such was the case when the Najib Razak administration was promoting moderation on the international stage but at the same time bankrolling right-wing religious groups.

“This government must not fall into the same habit,” said Farouk.

Farouk said the current state of affairs is the result of a gradual perversion of the constitution, despite its “secular, plural and democratic” foundations.

He said the “new Malaysia” should now move away from a “right-wing and supremacist” narrative to one that is based on universal human rights.

Farouk said he still does not think such a new narrative could come from politicians.

“It is we the people who must fight for this. We cannot rely on politicians who care more for their own self-interests.”

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post Nov 12 2018, 10:29 AM

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Author tells how to end ‘obsession’ with identity politics

PETALING JAYA: Prominent author Faisal Tehrani has mooted education as a way to combat the apparent obsession of many Malays with identity politics stemming from issues of race and religion.

Faisal, whose revisionist writings on Malay history and culture have often clashed with views of mainstream scholars, added that identity politics was a growing trend not only in Malaysia, but in countries like Israel, India, Japan, the US and those in the Balkans.

“In Malaysia, in my view, it stems from negative feudalism, Malay supremacy and rigidity in Islamic teachings,” he told FMT.

He was responding to think tank Iman Research which said identity politics was so deeply entrenched in Malaysia that race and religion was a bigger priority to many Malays than concerns over bread-and-butter issues.

Iman Research founding member and director Dina Zaman said concerns over race and religion could stem from years of indoctrination and identity politics which, if left unchecked, could lead to mistrust among the communities.

Faisal, a research fellow at the Institute of the Malay World and Civilization at Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia, said a change in mindset could be achieved through education and the rewriting of history textbooks.

Former Umno MP Tawfik Ismail meanwhile urged Malays to conduct “some soul searching” on whether it was beneficial to continue subscribing to identity politics.

“The real world is bigger than Malaysia,” he said. “If we want to remain relevant in this world, we have to think beyond race and religion.

“There is little merit involved in identity politics. If you keep subscribing to it, how do you get the best leaders who can give you the best? You will only be selecting leaders from a pool of people fixated on race and religion.”

He told FMT that identity politics in Malaysia had also been amplified by economic inequality, hence the efforts to reduce the wealth gap between the Malays and non-Malays after the May 13 riots.

“Umno projected itself as the only party which could help the Malays economically, and when PAS said the economy wasn’t as important as religion, Umno tried to show that it could challenge PAS’ credentials.”

The former Sungai Benut MP said this had put a greater emphasis on race and religion, adding however that it was not restricted to the previous ruling coalition as the likes of PPBM and Amanah also fought on a platform of identity politics.

Universiti Malaya economist Mohd Nazari Ismail said identity politics was not a “big deal” as long as Muslims had a correct understanding of Islam.

“What we have now among many Malay Muslims is misguided nationalism, hence the negative perceptions towards other races over economic issues.”

Nazari said the right understanding of the Islamic worldview should not result in unnecessary and damaging conflict with other communities.

“For example, Muslims are not supposed to be envious of non-Muslims’ wealth if the non-Muslims happen to be richer because wealth is not the most important thing in Islam,” he said, adding that it was more important to be fair to other communities.

“The wrong understanding of Islam, coupled with nationalist or racist sentiments, make many Muslims confused. Some Muslims insist that non-Muslims should not be richer than Muslims. The Prophet never taught this.”
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post Nov 12 2018, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(ManyJar @ Nov 12 2018, 04:07 PM)
because reasonable people are usually moderate, or dont believe much in religion.

while the extremist...jst like what this guy says. when someone says we did something wrong, and instead of proving them wrong...we proceed to prove what they said were correct, while continue with verbal denial and claim we were misunderstood.

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The moderates have to realize that they are protecting the extremists by keeping quiet.

Lots of people don't realize how important is this change in mindset as mentioned by Dr Ahmad Farouk Musa.

This is a major step forward in religious tolerance.

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post Nov 12 2018, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Nov 12 2018, 07:58 PM)
The moderates have to realize that they are protecting the extremists by keeping quiet.

Lots of people don't realize how important is this change in mindset as mentioned by Dr Ahmad Farouk Musa.

This is a major step forward in religious tolerance.
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I agree. For example imposing on Apostates. In the hadith it is explicitly clear to kill Apostates. The fundamental islamists are clear of this law. That's 10 percent. The other 60 percent are clear of the law but choose to interprete it in other ways. Whatever the way they interprete, they agree to impose on Apostates in one way or the other. It may not result in killing, but definitely imposing. The other 30 percent don't agree at imposing, but don't remain united to make any noise. They are the nobodies in islam.
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post Nov 13 2018, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(ManyJar @ Nov 13 2018, 10:29 AM)
because if the 30% starts objecting, they will be labelled as sesat

and once you're labelled as sesat, punishment will befall on you and your family.

hence it's safer to jst keep quiet. until people who leads in such religion, put sense and logic first.
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I just saw a video from Dr Maza. He is holding the view that if people individually practice Shia and keeping it to themselves not an issue. But once it is organized as an activity, a gathering, an activity outside their home, then it can be perceived as an activity which endanger the peace of country.

This is how serious they see Shia as a cult. LOL.
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post Nov 13 2018, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Nov 13 2018, 11:26 AM)
I just saw a video from Dr Maza. He is holding the view that if people individually practice Shia and keeping it to themselves not an issue. But once it is organized as an activity, a gathering, an activity outside their home, then it can be perceived as an activity which endanger the peace of country.

This is how serious they see Shia as a cult. LOL.
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Why is it when they make it public it's an issue? You Dr MAZA don't give Apostates a choice. Apostates can't leave his religion. And can't make it public he is Apostate. So only thing he can do is shut the fuck up. Meanwhile the apostate is still subject to shariah law against his will. What a damn fine r.
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https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...es-says-lawyer/

No, pluralism and liberalism are not crimes, says lawyer

PETALING JAYA: Lawyer Rosli Dahlan today took the Malaysian Muslim Lawyers Association president Zainul Rijal to task over his claim that pluralism and liberalism are “jenayah pemikiran” or “thought crimes” punishable in both shariah and civil courts.

Calling the statement reckless, Rosli said there was nothing in any of the provisions cited by Zainul to support his allegation.

“Neither the Syariah Criminal Offences (Federal Territories) Act 1997, the Syariah Criminal Offences (Selangor) Enactment 1995 nor their equivalent in all other state shariah enactments list ‘pluralism’ or ‘liberalism’ as a crime per se,” he told FMT.

“Zainul’s reliance on Sections 5, 7, 13 and 14 of the Syariah Criminal Offences (Selangor) Enactment 1995 as basis for his statement is misleading.”

Rosli acknowledged the case of Muslim NGO Sisters in Islam (SIS), which is seeking to challenge a fatwa issued by the Selangor religious authorities four years ago accusing it of subscribing to liberalism and religious pluralism.

Noting that the case was still pending before the High Court, he said the prosecution against SIS was for the alleged breach of the fatwa, not for pluralism or liberalism.

“The fatwa in question is being challenged for being in contravention of, among others, Articles 10 and 11 of the Federal Constitution which provide for freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

“It is not appropriate to cite that case as being a case on ‘pluralism’ or ‘liberalism’.”

Rosli said the Rukun Negara, gazetted as national policy on Aug 31, 1970, recognised Malaysia as a plural society which must ensure “a liberal approach to our rich and diverse cultural traditions”.

“Freedom of speech, expression and belief are fundamental rights guaranteed by Articles 10 and 11 of the Federal Constitution.

“Shariah and Malay intellectuals should refrain from making sensational statements that do not represent the correct law, that may unnecessarily alarm society and paint a negative image of Islam.”
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Going down to memory lane an older article written by lawyer Rosli Dahlan.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...-intellectual/#

Kassim Ahmad: The passing of a great Malay intellectual
FMT - October 10, 2017 1:56 PM


Today, we mourn the passing of a great Malay intellectual, a towering Malaysian who stood firm in his belief to his last breath. At 10am on Oct 10, Kassim Ahmad passed away in Kulim Hospital after slipping into a coma two days ago.

Kassim was known as a non-conformist thinker, who was seen as being highly critical of the religious authorities, and more recently of Jabatan Agama Wilayah Persekutuan (Jawi).

His books were banned and Jawi considered him to be a heretic. It is unknown to many that Kassim who was born on Sept 9, 1933 was the son of an Islamic religious teacher, Ahmad Ishak. Kassim’s religious knowledge therefore was not skin deep.

On Feb 16, 2014, Kassim was invited to speak at the Perdana Foundation in Putrajaya. The topic was “Hadis: Satu Penilaian Semula” and “Hadis: Jawapan kepada Pengkritik”.

The media reported about his speech. And following the media coverage, Jawi proceeded to persecute Kassim relentlessly. On March 26, 2014, Jawi officers raided Kassim’s house in Kulim, Kedah.

They showed up outside his house in 13 vehicles, broke down his front door, humiliated him before his wife and grandchildren, videotaped and photographed him without his consent, wrongfully arrested and detained him, and bundled him into a van for a six-hour ride to Penang Airport where they forced him to board a flight to Kuala Lumpur.

He was interrogated through the night, and on the next day, produced in the Putrajaya Shariah Court.

The charges levelled against him were defective. His wife, who rushed to Kuala Lumpur from Kedah was not allowed to post bail for him. Kassim had to look for two Wilayah Persekutuan residents to bail him instead. In the meantime his illegal detention continued. Jawi did all these to a feeble, 82-year-old man.

Kassim could have had it easy by admitting to the Shariah criminal charges against him and paid the fine. But he would not have it that way. He decided to fight for what he believed in. Thus, began the long and arduous journey to seek his vindication.

While defending himself in the Shariah Court, he sought leave for judicial review in the civil High Court to declare that Jawi’s actions and prosecution against him were illegal.

The High Court at first instance dismissed his request for leave. He appealed to the Court of Appeal and succeeded. The High Court then dismissed his judicial review. Again he appealed to the Court of Appeal.

On Dec 21, 2015, the Court of Appeal stated in no uncertain terms that Jawi’s actions and prosecution against Kassim were illegal and directed the religious department to pay costs and damages to him.

Despite this, Jawi did not withdraw the charges against Kassim and dragged the case on for two more years. Jawi sought to appeal to the Federal Court and failed on March 7 this year. Again, Jawi refused to back down.

On August 7, Jawi’s prosecution officers appeared in the Shariah Criminal Court and gave the excuse that they could not withdraw the charges against Kassim because the office of the Ketua Pendakwa Syarie had become vacant.

As Kassim’s Shariah counsel, I had to put up a strong argument for the dismissal of the charges. Finally, the Shariah judge agreed and released Kassim. Until today, Jawi has not paid the costs and damages to Kassim as ordered.

Throughout this ordeal, Kassim remained steadfast but his health kept deteriorating. His daughter, Soraya, and son, Shauqi blamed Jawi for Kassim’s deteriorating health when he was made to travel from Kulim to Putrajaya on every court date. Now they want Jawi to be held accountable for their actions.

On August 7, the day when Kassim was finally freed by the Shariah Court, there was no jubilance in him. There was only relief that the long, painful ordeal had finally come to an end.

He told me and his family that Jawi must pay damages to him not so much because he wanted the money but as a reminder that they had committed wrong on an 82-year-old man whose only sin was that he had exercised his freedom of thought.

Kassim could not accept that a man’s mind could be caged by any authority. Kassim believed that Man was created to have free will.

Today, I mourn the death of Kassim, whom I had developed a deep respect for his resilience, his intellectual honesty and his tenacity. Malays and Malaysians have lost one of their greatest thinkers.

Rosli Dahlan is the lawyer who acted for Kassim Ahmad in the Civil and Syariah courts and became his lifelong friend to his death.

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