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post Sep 4 2018, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(ViktorJ @ Sep 4 2018, 04:58 PM)
Yup. In fact, I would say it doesn't actually have a soft side-wall per se, just soft in comparison to its category, i.e. UHP.

Could probably remedy that easily: just go ultra low profile!

When I wanted to go for lower profile, the tire shop guy gave me a funny look and pretty much ignored me and just changed the stock setup anyway.

For reference, its a D segment with 215/50/17, I wanted to go 45 or even 40  tongue.gif
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You need to upsize rims to 18x8.5 then use 245/40/18. My d-segment now is already using 245/40/18 and for me personally that is the thinnest profile I'd go and would not go even lower than 9.8-10cm sidewall height coz it will be too harsh! Actually IMHO 10-11cm sidewall height (195/55, 205/50, 215/50, 225/45, 235/45, 245/45, 255/40) offer the best compromise between look, performance/stiffness, and comfort. When going around 9.6-9.8cm sidewall height (195/50, 215/45, 245/40) then start to feel a bit harsh and that's the borderline, then going even further below that is a big no already for me.
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post Sep 4 2018, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Sep 4 2018, 05:30 PM)
You need to upsize rims to 18x8.5 then use 245/40/18.  My d-segment now is already using 245/40/18 and for me personally that is the thinnest profile I'd go and would not go even lower than 9.8-10cm sidewall height coz it will be too harsh! Actually IMHO 10-11cm sidewall height (195/55, 205/50, 215/50, 225/45, 235/45, 245/45, 255/40) offer the best compromise between look, performance/stiffness, and comfort. When going around 9.6-9.8cm sidewall height (195/50, 215/45, 245/40) then start to feel a bit harsh and that's the borderline, then going even further below that is a big no already for me.
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IIRC, Kia Forte comes with 215/45/17

Its crazy harsh to me, but I always thought it was more due to the suspension setup rather than its tire profile
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post Sep 4 2018, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(ViktorJ @ Sep 4 2018, 05:44 PM)
IIRC, Kia Forte comes with 215/45/17

Its crazy harsh to me, but I always thought it was more due to the suspension setup rather than its tire profile
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Yes, Kia Forte and the old Civic FD2 are some example of cars that come std with that tire size. It's a bit of both but I think there's only so much you can cheat with suspension trickery to try compensate for the physics of low cushioning from the thin tires. Tires is the first contact patch to the road so their behavior gives the first most pronounced reaction/feel to the car. That's why no matter what car I will own and drive as daily/street car, I will not want to drop below that 9.8-10cm sidewall height limit as general guide.
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QUOTE(ViktorJ @ Sep 4 2018, 05:44 PM)
IIRC, Kia Forte comes with 215/45/17

Its crazy harsh to me, but I always thought it was more due to the suspension setup rather than its tire profile
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My suprima s also come with that wheel size, its really harsh especial for the passenger. And proton sporty tune on the stock suspension also doesn't help. But hey... at least its fun to drive biggrin.gif
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post Sep 25 2018, 02:52 AM

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i’m using advan fleva right now and i fully agree except that it deserves higher score on wet grip. i’ll probably give it an 8.5-9. it’s a freaking revelation especially when my last set was the re003. but that’s about it. noise is terrible. dry grip is sad. comfort i don’t care coz i’m on a stiff suspension setup anyway. never tried v12e2 though. always no stock for my size.

QUOTE(ReVolVolution @ Apr 22 2018, 06:59 PM)
I’m giving my feedback here to those who are contemplating on getting either Yokohama Fleva V701 OR Hankook Ventus V12 evo 2. Hence, allow me to give my 2 pennies worth as I have used BOTH tyres!

Yokohama Fleva V701 (used for 1 year, below 7K kms)
- quietness 5/10
It’s quite quiet at first when you install (I do mean quite only) but the tyre noise gets louder as the tyre ages to the point where the tyres are no longer considered as QUIET tyres as most people proclaims.

- grip 5/10
Did some rounds to GENTING and the tyres just squeals as almost every corner. Not so confidence here.

- wet grip 7/10
Well, perhaps it shines here but not by much as I didn’t encounter any aquaplanning.

- comfort 6.5/10
Because of the stiffer side walls (at least to my point of view) the comfort is sacrificed a little here.

Overall 5.5/10
With the price below the premium tyres such as PS4 etc, it’s quite predictable that you don’t expect much from these tyres. What annoys me the most is the tyre noise. I used to use S drive last time and I had to change the tyres after 2K kms because of the unbearable road noise. I must say that these Fleva which is a replacement of S drive is not much better.
Hankook Ventus V12evo2 K120 (used for 6 months, below 4K kms)
- quietness 8/10
Now I know that some test shown that the Fleva and V12 dB is about the same but I feel that the V12s are much quieter tyres.

- grip 7/10
Good grip no drama here. Although I have not tried going up GENTING but I did a high speed test and it performs well.

- wet grip 7/10
Although some users commented that these tyres don’t perform well in wet, I believe it’s about the same as Fleva. So, am satisfied with it.

- comfort 7.5/10
The side walls are perhaps a tad less stiff than Fleva. Hence, comfort is better. It absorbs uneven roads better.

Overall 7.5/10
I’m comparing both Fleva and V12s here and I find that the V12s are a tad cheaper than Fleva but it performs much better than Fleva. Therefore, I would recommend buyers who are in a dilemma on choosing V12s or Fleva, just go for V12s.
Disclaimer : My comments above is based on my own personal usage and is not paid by any companies to promote or discuss on their tyres.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 25 2018, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(a.h.wan @ Sep 25 2018, 02:52 AM)
i’m using advan fleva right now and i fully agree except that it deserves higher score on wet grip. i’ll probably give it an 8.5-9. it’s a freaking revelation especially when my last set was the re003. but that’s about it. noise is terrible. dry grip is sad. comfort i don’t care coz i’m on a stiff suspension setup anyway. never tried v12e2 though. always no stock for my size.
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QUOTE(Keisuke Honda @ Sep 25 2018, 10:02 AM)
Agree on the noise factor. That day I sent my car to do alignment at a tyre workshop that mainly sells Michelin tyres. The boss after test driving my car suspected that my bearings kong-ed...then checked no problem.

"Why your tyres noisy like lori tyres???" laugh.gif doh.gif
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Hahaha so Yokohama must have been bluffing when they claim this Fleva only as 67db noise rating! doh.gif The V12E2 on the other hand only rated at around 70db by Hankook but during Car & Driver magazine test only produced 67db noise level.
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post Sep 29 2018, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(ReVolVolution @ Apr 22 2018, 06:59 PM)
I’m giving my feedback here to those who are contemplating on getting either Yokohama Fleva V701 OR Hankook Ventus V12 evo 2. Hence, allow me to give my 2 pennies worth as I have used BOTH tyres!

Yokohama Fleva V701 (used for 1 year, below 7K kms)
- quietness 5/10
It’s quite quiet at first when you install (I do mean quite only) but the tyre noise gets louder as the tyre ages to the point where the tyres are no longer considered as QUIET tyres as most people proclaims.

- grip 5/10
Did some rounds to GENTING and the tyres just squeals as almost every corner. Not so confidence here.

- wet grip 7/10
Well, perhaps it shines here but not by much as I didn’t encounter any aquaplanning.

- comfort 6.5/10
Because of the stiffer side walls (at least to my point of view) the comfort is sacrificed a little here.

Overall 5.5/10
With the price below the premium tyres such as PS4 etc, it’s quite predictable that you don’t expect much from these tyres. What annoys me the most is the tyre noise. I used to use S drive last time and I had to change the tyres after 2K kms because of the unbearable road noise. I must say that these Fleva which is a replacement of S drive is not much better.
Hankook Ventus V12evo2 K120 (used for 6 months, below 4K kms)
- quietness 8/10
Now I know that some test shown that the Fleva and V12 dB is about the same but I feel that the V12s are much quieter tyres.

- grip 7/10
Good grip no drama here. Although I have not tried going up GENTING but I did a high speed test and it performs well.

- wet grip 7/10
Although some users commented that these tyres don’t perform well in wet, I believe it’s about the same as Fleva. So, am satisfied with it.

- comfort 7.5/10
The side walls are perhaps a tad less stiff than Fleva. Hence, comfort is better. It absorbs uneven roads better.

Overall 7.5/10
I’m comparing both Fleva and V12s here and I find that the V12s are a tad cheaper than Fleva but it performs much better than Fleva. Therefore, I would recommend buyers who are in a dilemma on choosing V12s or Fleva, just go for V12s.
Disclaimer : My comments above is based on my own personal usage and is not paid by any companies to promote or discuss on their tyres.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I am looking for V12, 225/55R17. Which shop in Klang ,I can get it?

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QUOTE(baocord @ Sep 29 2018, 06:33 PM)
I am looking for V12, 225/55R17. Which shop in Klang ,I can get it?
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Try S One Tyres and Sport Rims in Setia Alam, not far from Klang.
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post Oct 1 2018, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(baocord @ Sep 29 2018, 06:33 PM)
I am looking for V12, 225/55R17. Which shop in Klang ,I can get it?
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i check the list size for v12 in the internet dont have the size.
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post Oct 1 2018, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(leehernandez @ Oct 1 2018, 11:41 AM)
i check the list size for v12 in the internet dont have the size.
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Thank you for the info, any good tyre you can recommend, price below RM 300
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QUOTE(baocord @ Oct 1 2018, 11:44 AM)
Thank you for the info, any good tyre you can recommend, price below RM 300
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almost v701 quite good review..can compete with v12 but price i think in the range of rm 380-400
if below rm 300,can only can brand like achiles atr sport or dayton etc.
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post Oct 2 2018, 02:11 PM

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Is Achilles tyre good, not so famous
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post Oct 3 2018, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(baocord @ Oct 2 2018, 02:11 PM)
Is Achilles tyre good, not so famous
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afforadable high performance tyre.is good enough for that budget.i feel better than many tyres like dayton/lion/rovelo etc.
but for sure if u have budget can go for premium like yokohama/michelin/hankook.otherwise can settle for those.just my personal experience.because some people thinks that dont go for brand like these.
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QUOTE(leehernandez @ Oct 3 2018, 11:31 AM)
afforadable high performance tyre.is good enough for that budget.i feel better than many tyres like dayton/lion/rovelo etc.
but for sure if u have budget can go for premium like yokohama/michelin/hankook.otherwise can settle for those.just my personal experience.because some people thinks that dont go for brand like these.
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Agree , will go for Achilles
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QUOTE(Keisuke Honda @ Oct 3 2018, 02:31 PM)
I'm on Yokohama V701, my friend using Achilles.

Performance comparable but looks-wise, Achilles looks ugly. tongue.gif
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Kinda shows how bad the V701 is.
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im gonna try v12evo2 after my re003 wears out, the v12evo2 wif threadwear of 320 will last much longer than the re003's abmysal 220 and also much cheaper

my re003 clocked around 20k++ km and its left like 2mm thread now, really cannot last, and its expensive too even if compare wif tyres like ps4 if u factor in how many km it can last (my old ps3 wif threadwear 320 lasted me like 45k km)

so this evo2 wif threadwear of 320 should be able to last around 40k++ km too and cheaper biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Keisuke Honda @ Oct 8 2018, 09:52 AM)
But in terms of grip it's not bad, never once it gave way or failed me.
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That tire got very mixed reviews, some shows poor grip and so easy to screech around, some say initially bad but then with some pressure adjustment becomes decent, etc2. Maybe a bit inconsistent and sensitive tire.
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Been quite a while since the last I updated this.

I've recently purchase another round of v12e2 for another vehicle. To my surprise, it wasn't as quiet as my first purchase in 2018. Also, it seems it's quite difficult to find tyre manufactured in this year 2019. Most of the stockist are giving 2018 or even worst 2017.

Anyway, I manage to get this year's tyres ie 2019. However, it's kinda more noisier than the first I remembered. Of course it may not be a fair comparison as I was using Primacy 3ST in this vehicle before I changed it to v12.

Anyhow, I'll need to monitor it further. Maybe it needs a little run in. Who knows...
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QUOTE(ReVolVolution @ May 15 2019, 02:37 PM)
Been quite a while since the last I updated this.

I've recently purchase another round of v12e2 for another vehicle. To my surprise, it wasn't as quiet as my first purchase in 2018. Also, it seems it's quite difficult to find tyre manufactured in this year 2019. Most of the stockist are giving 2018 or even worst 2017.

Anyway, I manage to get this year's tyres ie 2019. However, it's kinda more noisier than the first I remembered. Of course it may not be a fair comparison as I was using Primacy 3ST in this vehicle before I changed it to v12.

Anyhow, I'll need to monitor it further. Maybe it needs a little run in. Who knows...
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post May 16 2019, 01:56 PM

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currently using v12e2 for 44k km now.
quiet, grip (wet & dry), handling = still ok

only negative side is.. Side tred worn out too fast.. 44k km 95% botak already.
middle thread still thick.

overall, i think my style of driving ( speeding+cornering ) only give 48k km by this donuts.

fleva i neva used..

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