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ocb05
post Jul 3 2020, 01:48 AM

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Hi guys, newbie learning B full lesen here.

Just want to enquire regarding this Dominar 400

I am in JB, usually my riding habit would be like 30-40km everyday, while long distance would be JB - KL / Ipoh maybe once or twice per month.

Is this suitable for my needs? normally best cruising speed would be how much? Thanks!
ocb05
post Jul 3 2020, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Jul 3 2020, 09:03 AM)
The bike is cukup for your purpose, with dual channel ABS and slipper clutch.
Topspeed is not as fast as R25 or Ninja 250R but even a CBR500 is not faster then them either.
According to users here, seat not as comfy and long distance ride can kebas one. Need add windshield.

Maybe you can provide your riding background and expectation of this D400?

Additional info that I came across, and I have no affiliation to pandulaju:
https://pandulaju.com.my/10-soalan-paling-b...s-dominar-d400/
https://pandulaju.com.my/4-reviu-pantas-mod...-kawasaki-z250/
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Alexei, thank you for your reply!

I have zero experience in riding, well, i am looking for stability and reliability than speed or excitement as my first bike. Was thinking 400cc enough for interstate travel. I am driving a Golf TSI which can achieve 150-180 very easily, so i am looking for something similar for the bike riding but with very good stability.

My only concern on this d400, is whether it will rattle or vibrate above 140kmh, or is it requiring a lot of effort to achieve that kind of speed range? Should i spend more on bikes like Yamaha mt-07? safety wise i think d400 is already very good.

Of course, learning to ride a bike first, then after a few more months of riding then i would go highway distance travel. Being safe and responsible is my principal of driving/riding anything.

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ocb05
post Jul 4 2020, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Jul 4 2020, 01:12 AM)
I call my D400...

"THE GREAT VIBRATOR".

Nothing else makes my wife's ass numb for 2 days straight like a day ride to Melaka on my D400.
Does that answer your question?
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Answered definitely thanks haha! Although the "wife's ass numb for 2 days straights sounds so wrong LOL
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post Jul 4 2020, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Jul 4 2020, 05:31 PM)
Get a bike that you won't mind dropping it too much, for learning, one with good off throttle and clutch release response, less jerky and predictable.

It's a single cylinder, so expect a lot of vibrations, and it will have 4 sets across RPM range. Some will be not obvious being absorbed by mounting dampers, but some will resonate across the whole bike.
3 cylinder is the best in vibe control, followed by twin with 270~275 degree firing sequence.

Between MT07 and D400, I would compare the frame and decide. MT07 punya ABS is front only IINM, and a bit intrusive based on reviews.

Engine wise, MT07 is definitely the better rounder. Gear ratio is similar between the 2.
140kmh is quite a stretch for D400 with stock sprockets. Sproket for D400 needs to be adapted for different speed range.

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Oh my goodness... seat mechanism need add damper.
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Thanks wow i learnt something from you. What do you think of Kawasaki Versys X 250? Is it good or too lethargic for me with my luggage? I am 180cm and 83kg by the way. Or is it better if i go for Versys 650? To be honest, i have no idea on the ownership cost per year on each segment of the bike.
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post Jul 4 2020, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(redjol @ Jul 4 2020, 07:49 AM)
cf400nk also can be considered. 2 cylinder with 400cc.
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Yep i heard that model as well. Around 17-18k no? Kawasaki engine clone with great value. But i might consider the 650 MT as it is priced around 22-24k nowadays.
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post Jul 4 2020, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Jul 4 2020, 10:07 PM)
The VersysX 250 bikes out of my radar, sorry.

You're blessed with height and weight for touring bikes, how about some middle weight BMW such as F800R etc. Who knows you might leave your TSi behind afterwards.

You can try out some online insurance calculator for insurance. 30k is around 600 with 25% NCD.
Roadtax is 250 for 800cc or below, 350 above. Details below.

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Touring tyres are ~1k per set, up to 10k km.
Sports tyres are more like 3k~8k km per set.
You can go cheap on non-major brands too.

Engine oil varies greatly too, from RM20~30 per liter, up to RM90. Some bikes take 3, up to 4 bottles.
Petrol is 4.2~7L per 100km, ranging from CB500 to CBR1000RR.

Spark plugs, air filter.
Valve clearance every 24k km.
Chain and sprocket set every 30k km.

In your case, would be 10~15k km per year?
Insurance roadtax ~1k
Fuel ~750L = ~1200
1~1.5 sets of tyres... and so on
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Again, thank you so much to even spare your time for me providing these useful figures. BMW is great, but continentals would be expensive to maintain and this i learnt from my golf tsi. In fact, i am looking a bike that would satisfy me as a golf TSI would, that car has pampered me with torque, top speed of 170-200kmh with stability, sad that i have to sell it as it is approaching 8th year and having big repairs incoming my DSG gearbox, it is this car has made me lost interest with other continentals except for the GTi variant.

Tyres i would prefer to go for sports or the local cheaper touring as i would mainly doing daily commuting more than touring across states unless i am on outstation, which is once or twice per month. Now that i seen the insurance and the road tax, i can rest assured as it is affordable to me even up to 800cc.

Middleweight wise i think i will go for Yamaha MT-07, what do you think? Looks good, and quite stable no? if i am buying a used yamaha mt-07, say 2015/2016, 16-18k possible?
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post Jul 4 2020, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(jacktay94 @ Jul 4 2020, 09:07 PM)
heard the x250 will feel sluggish with luggage. Check out the fortnine review on youtube
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yep 250 might not suit me as i am looking for higher speed without much strain on the engine and i am 180cm and 83kg.
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post Jul 5 2020, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Jul 4 2020, 11:47 PM)
Haha, cool. You're welcome. Try AMG. (Disclaimer, I not working for Mercedes, not driving one, and don't receive benefits for saying this.)

At that price, you might need to deal direct with buyer, and handle the wear and tear yourself. Some shops may ask a higher price, but offers 1 year warranty.
ER6 is replaced by Z650, you might wanna look at this too.

VW is expensive because it has not been bought over by China. So is a certain French brand. Just ignore me if I'm wrong. Point is, don't let the perception of conti brands cloud your judgement.

On bikes, certain Italian bike brand is expensive to maintain but they are improving albeit slowly, while some other conti brands do not have such as good service support in Malaysia and rely on good pomen.
And to avoid hefty bills and lengthy waits, avoid certain brands that are weak in parts supply in Malaysia. A tip, just google '(brand) motorcycle parts Malaysia' and you can assess the search results. Some major brands do not have a parts supply chain.

Do be ready to have a fair expectation of the bike you plan to buy. 140kmh on first gear, then 200kmh is 3rd gear on most liter sportsbikes.
200kmh is 4~5th gear for 600cc sportsbikes and high performance tourers, 6th gear for most >600cc bikes in general.

ER6 and MT07 has ~200-210kmh top speed, and both have conventional forks. For your weight, the MT07 has better forks for you compared to ER6.
If TSi level is what you're after, do consider something with decent chassis, forks, brakes and aerodynamic. Weak suspension also causes poor tyre wear, too. On naked bikes, 160kmh is about the fastest you can go comfortably.

Bike tyres got sports touring, features dual/multi compound that's good for high mileage at the middle thread, and better grip on the sides. They perform better in the rain, too. With bikes, you better not go cheap on tyres. Bridgestone T31 is a good start. Some sports tyres also dual compound, with less thread for better grip... S22 is a good start. There is a myriad of choices out there. (Disclaimer, I do not have affiliation with Bridgestone, and I don't use those tyres myself.)
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Yep, i am contemplating whether to buy used mt-07 or just get the new 2019/2020 version altogether. Thanks for your tips on the parts supply! As for the Italian brands, it is a big no no to me. To me, it is either i go straight for 600-700cc range and spend more on upkeep cost, or settle with 300-400cc single cylinder with solid frames. I am really into sports touring, so when i don't go long distance, i can use it as daily beater.

ER6 and MT-07 i would prefer MT-07. But have to test them out to be sure. And yes naked bike while good in daily commuting, but lacking in long distance travel. Any modification i guess i ask you later, gotta get the basics right first.

I guess i better start with something basic and safe for touring then see how it goes. 140-160 it is then. Which is why i am looking at this dominar in the first place. But today i stumbled upon another China Brand, Zontes. I am really attracted by the Z310T touring version. They include the alloy box as well! What do you think? Single cylinder as well.
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post Jul 5 2020, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(jacktay94 @ Jul 5 2020, 12:16 AM)
MT-07 is not at that price point yet, even direct buyers. You will be looking at close to 22-25k range, directs may cut down to 20k if you manage to nego it down. Plus another 1k for otr price.

I am looking as well for a mid-weight, er6 and cb500 is the only one in the price range for nakeds sadly. anything newer will push it to 20k+. Other types would be rebel s, versys, xj6.
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agreed, but what i worry is the actual motor condition, i am new, so i might be duped or some problems might be hidden from me.
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post Jul 6 2020, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Jul 5 2020, 09:59 PM)
That's a sweet bike. Well if we're going to consider that area, then there's also the Zontes 300cc singles. I particularly like the ADV version.

Unfortunately, these are all closer to RM20k.

And if we're willing to consider the 250cc class, then the TRK251, CSC RX3 and Leoncino 250 are all definitely within our budget.

Japanese 250cc bikes... forget it... unless second hand, then maybe.
Bottom line... Dominar D400 remains the only option to get that many CCs in a triple spark KTM-based engine at RM13k OTR, if you fancy a tight, virgin bike whose seat is still unsullied by other men's sweaty crotch.
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haha i love how you phrase things already. Yep, i am looking at Zontes z310T as well, the new version with single arm.
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post Jul 6 2020, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(ajaibman @ Jul 6 2020, 10:27 AM)
And to add:

Lubricant for the ZT310 is carried inside the frame, which functions both as an oil reservoir and cooler. Fuel is contained in a 15-litre tank, common across all Zontes models and the swingarm is made from aluminium alloy.

This.. will cook your thigh during slow moving traffic/Jam..
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Hmm, i have been lurking around this model, so far no one has complain of the thigh cooking issues...
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post Jul 6 2020, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Jul 6 2020, 09:53 AM)
ocb05Zontes Z310T looks ok, but lacks power with all that load and your body weight. Cannot reach 140kmh.

There's Honda NC700 as well, around 20k. Engine concept derived from Jazz engine. Nice flat torque curve and very fuel efficient for touring. If add more money, you get DCT version, similar to the Honda NM4, that behaves like automatic gear.
Redlines at 6.5k RPM, top speed 188kmh and cruises 120kmh at 4k RPM. Kinda like the operating range of your Golf TSi I might add.

And special mention for touring, definitely need a screen.
Other models I know of that you can consider, leaning towards touring - TRK502, CFMoto 650.
Reference: https://autowise.com/top-chinese-motorcycles/

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Thanks for the tip, but i wanna pick a manual precisely because of Golf TSI gave me trouble in DCT gearbox on the seventh year biggrin.gif

NC700 looks good, but to get 20k on used, i supposed it is of min 5 years old used?

i think i get a Zontes 310T 2020 model. Comes with everything and i actually asked multiple zontes owners these few days and they replied, 130-150 sustained actually no issues if you are not obese, in fact CFmoto got quite a few owners reporting leakage issues. Gonna take a gamble then.

Edit: Or CFMOTO 650MT. My budget are sub 30k so either a really good condition used bike or a new budget tourer.

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post Jul 7 2020, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Jul 7 2020, 07:52 AM)
Alright, all the best.
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Again, thank you very much for your valuable opinion. So as i learn bike riding, i guess i will get to decide either i get a big cc but heavier, or smaller cc but more economic bike. Pretty sure it will be a duel between zontes 310t 2020 vs cfmoto 650mt as they are very close in terms of total OTR price.

 

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