QUOTE(bluemouse @ Apr 16 2018, 09:45 PM)
Sure employees can job hop. We all change jobs. The question is why
With the forumers replies. I believe the answers are loud and clear.
QUOTE(bluemouse @ Apr 16 2018, 09:45 PM)
This is why we do interview. Interviews are both sides. Employees interview employers too
Don't work in this kind of company.
I don't know how you can relate appreciation to interview. Appreciation comes from the acknowledgment and follow-up reward (e.g. increments/bonuses/allowances/freedom) for the work and effort spent on the company's behalf. Job-hopping is one of the best ways to avoid or skip the bad companies. The only problem is that it causes unease to the existing operation the company has, which will not even arise if the employees are appreciated and properly compensated.
QUOTE(bluemouse @ Apr 16 2018, 09:45 PM)
True. But if I ask candidate "why do you ask this much of money?" Candidates usually give vague answer.
If candidates know XYZ skill and get paid 5k, they often ask for 6-7k without bringing any added values. Candidates must be able to answer "I have XYZ and ABC skill now, therefore I'm worth more" or "I'm the best person in XYZ skill, super good. If you don't believe me, you can test me"
I can't believe you still believe in these HR crap. Values are what they can bring in once you get them on the boat, not before. Added values you mentioned? Added values are the amount that you are willing to pay to get that candidate in from their current work place. Whatever the amount is, you must surely have a certain budget for hiring. if you are shopping for a product, while comparing the many product brands and price ranges, you surely have an amount that you are willing to spend on that product. You see the relative terms here? If you are willing to spend 6-7k on that person, that means you have more needs and demand on the skill-sets compared to your competitors. Plain and simple. What I can see here is the KIASU attitude shown by most of the employers, worrying about spending more than their competitors and fear of losing out.
QUOTE(bluemouse @ Apr 16 2018, 09:45 PM)
Same thing. Without bringing any added value to the table, it's hard to justify a significant raise
Just a logical example. You see. When you hire a freshie that knows nothing and train him/her with certain skill-sets for a year, the value the person possesses is now worth more than 1 year ago. If the yearly increment is minimal (e.g. 6%), you never know that the skill-sets are needed somewhere which is willing to spend more that what you are paying. Let's say a typical 20% higher than what you are paying. Do you have a reason to ask the ex-freshie to stay, without a compatible increment range? As many are saying, supply and demand plays a crucial role here. Does this warrant a significant raise? You tell me.
QUOTE(bluemouse @ Apr 16 2018, 09:45 PM)
I'm a proponent of skills over money. With skills, people can always find jobs, higher pay jobs elsewhere. They can even go overseas
Job hopping simply because of money is, in my opinion, naive.
If a person has decided "I want to be really good at XYZ skill", then stay in that company while learning everything you can about XYZ skill. After 2-3 years, when that person has mastered everything there is to know about XYZ, then go and sell that skill elsewhere. This is what I call "take off" period. Double or triple your salary at this period.
People nowadays don't need a long 'take-off' period. Why'd I say so? You just google it. ABC to XYZ skill-sets can now be easily learned and mastered through Internet no doubt. How would you justify a 14-year-old programmer solving the problems for big corporations? 2-3 years are long enough period to get your own business started and flying. The only question we all have, to ourselves basically, is "are we opened up to accept the challenges ahead of us, regardless of experiences that we have". A cook can be a business analyst at the same time. A homemaker can be a successful online biz owner, not to mention, a professor can also be a taxi driver. Why should employees spend and waste so much time on something they don't really care about? We can all succeed with the right skill-set, and of course, with the right mindset.
This post has been edited by abc2005: Apr 17 2018, 01:19 AM