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post Jul 18 2007, 08:22 AM

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Well, casing wise, i am not sure how good the airflow is though with my casing but i am pretty sure i have enough exhaust fans to push air out though..LOL..

Anyway, i am not sure whats the problem but there are times when my LCD just wouldnt turn on after a very long time in idle mode. I am guessing it might be a problem with the GC as off now. Maybe overheating?

EDITED:

Anyone ever replace the original TIM and the cooler cover before?Thinking of changing the TIM and cleaning off the dust of the cooler..

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post Jul 20 2007, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(mengfui @ Jul 19 2007, 01:38 PM)
8500GT DDR2 vs 7300GT which offer better gaming performance since price more or less the same.
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I will get the 8500GT gDDR3 at any time. Its better than any DDR2 ones and newer technology than 7300GT...Price isnt too expensive either.. rclxms.gif


Anyway, i decided to take out my 8800GTS. Cant really accept the heat generated yesterday. Shot as high as 72c during idle rclxub.gif ....Will revert back to my old and trusted 7300GT until i really get a patent side panel fan coupled together with an incredible high CFM fan to blow at the GC. Wonder if there is any problem with the card as off now or would ATI's similar offering will generate lesser heat?

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post Jul 20 2007, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(LExus65 @ Jul 20 2007, 01:13 PM)
for 8800gts try cooling underneath the card, can significantly cool down ur card core temp........

so my best guess after the ambient or card temperature is lower, the core temperature can be lower very effectively by just slightly increasing ur GPU fan speed......

those ventilation holes on the cooler nearing the end on the card often venting a lot of hot air into the casing, so either closing them or adding a fan to vent it would be very good idea.........

with this configuration, i was able to maintain my card idle at 56oC now, 90% duty cycle fan speed and load around 65oC only........ OC at 620:2000..........normal game like caesar 4 only max out the temp around 59 ~61 only..... wub.gif

btw those evercool fan are really good and stable, unfortunatly i manage to get a intermediate 1, runs around 2000 RPM....... i believe a higher CFM model would do better thumbup.gif
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My plan is to get another SS fan just to cool down the GC. Or else, maybe i should look for Delta ones but they are too noisy to be accepted..

For now, reverting back to the 7300GT would be my best option as i could not stand the heat already..LOL..
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post Jul 20 2007, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(TomatomanzSeedlezz @ Jul 20 2007, 04:01 PM)
Im abit confused what are u saying there..

You can't stand the heat?.. meaning yer 3Dcard making yer room hot?..  blink.gif ..izzit even possible?... not like yer running on several mainframes in yer room rite?...  sweat.gif

Anywayz, if its not that reason, u shld worried the temp. too much.

The obvious indication if yer card really "kenot tahan" the high-temp. when u starting to see some artifacts/lockups during games... tongue.gif

Q: How can I see the temperature of my graphics cards? What temperature is too high?
A: NVIDIA provides an application called NVMonitor with all of its latest video drivers which you can use to track and even record the temperatures, bus speeds, voltages, and fan speeds of any and all compatible equipment installed in your system; you can also view your GPU's core temperature through the NVIDIA Control Panel. Some high-end graphics boards, such as the 7950 GX2 and the 8800 GTX, can show temperatures at load to be around 80C and even can go above 90C (or between 175F and 195F.) Those temperatures may be a bit shocking, but fear not: those GPUs have been tested by NVIDIA to operate at heat levels close to 150C and remain functional.

According to the faq at Nvidia site as above, u guys shldnt worried too much as it normally loads up to 80'c and its threshold it 150'c.

Cheers smile.gif
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Well, it had not really make my room really hot but my computer is really near to my feet area where i can really feel the heat. Besides, i am starting to feel some trouble with the card idling at such high temperature (from 58c to 70+c). Thats a jump of over 12c just in idling mode. I am also starting to have an indication that the card is one of the cause of my LCD going to power safe mode due to the temperature..

Well, all of these are my assumptions. I guess i need to clarify this later when i get the Side Panel fan and see how low can the temperature goes...LOL...
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post Jul 21 2007, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(TomatomanzSeedlezz @ Jul 21 2007, 03:11 AM)
I see.. well, u can try like most of the peeps here do its... put yer table fan directly to yer pc casing.. heh... see the temps. got do down or not tongue.gif

Beware of dust tho...  sweat.gif

Abt yer lcd monitor, got spare pc to test on?... even a lappy will be sufficient to test on.

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Well, i do not want that to happen though. I went to scratch my head on what to do in the meantime until i get my side panel fan. Realised that i can put back the "ugly" 25cm fan of my LL to cool it off but heck, i went with a DIY 2 * 12cm LL fan i have spare to cool them off. LOL..Just tied them using wire to the side panel to cool off the GC, nb and sb..

Just need to wait and see how it goes..Only worried about dust problem as off now...As a start, its idling at 54c now when i just switch on my PC. Normally, it will be at around 58c.
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post Jul 22 2007, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 21 2007, 11:59 PM)
so bro....any update on load and idle temps now??

have they improve with use or are they still the same?
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Ok, after turning on the PC for more than one day already, i am really surprised at how the temperature goes with 2 side panel fan. Normally, it will be idling at about 70c in a fanless environment. Just now, when i check the temperature using Nvidia Monitor, its only 57c also in fanless environment thumbup.gif which is only about 4c increment when i startup my PC. If there is no side fan, my card temperature will jump from 58c to 70c on idle. I was shock on how thing goes and like what bro shawty said, it might be due to the heat of the sb and nb causing my GC temperature to rise so high..

What surprises me even more is that the fan i am using are only those LL fans which are not up to my expectation. Wondering would pairing 2 SS fans at the side even help things more..

I will test out the load later when i install some games or benchmarking..

QUOTE(LExus65 @ Jul 22 2007, 11:16 AM)
ya akachester, i like to know the results too........

btw as for the side fan, i have 3 of them in a square formation, the front 2 as intake and the 1 at the rear as exhaust.......

u can refer the the CM thread to have a look how i configure the fans...

cooling underneath the cards really help........

as far as i know, only 8600GTS come with extra power connectors, GT dun have it
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GT does not have power connectors unless its a GT Ultra. I will check out your combination later and see if i have any more idea in mind..


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This is what i did to the side panel in order to cool the GC off. Very good and cheap method for the time being and a recommendation to those who cant stand the heat of the GC. I am getting 57c constant with this setup

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post Jul 23 2007, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(overclockalbert @ Jul 23 2007, 12:09 AM)
cool! what fan was that u used to cool the GC?
coolermaster silent fan?
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They are LL stock casing fan. Doesnt push alot of air for me but still good enough as a temporary solution..

QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jul 23 2007, 07:16 AM)
just wan to know is there any  8600 ultra???

is the one selling in bulk order 8600gt ultra is oc ver???
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AFAIK, yes there is 8600GT Ultra version. It is a lower version of the 8600GTS with slightly downclock in core/memory speed and yet, still have the 6pin PCIE converter. If you are refering to the Colorful bulk, yes, it is the 8600GT Ultra version. Dont think its an OC ver. though as 8600GT OC is still not capable of reaching the 8600GT Ultra version..
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post Jul 23 2007, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(Zicron @ Jul 23 2007, 10:30 AM)
Is it tru the 8600 ultra is 256bit?
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No. They are 128bit. The 256bit is the GPU Core. Memory bits are more important which is only 128bit on the 8600GT Ultra..
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post Jul 24 2007, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(tanghm @ Jul 23 2007, 05:05 PM)
I just got Gigabyte 8800GTS 320MB.

The temperature is very high for me

Idle: 85'C
Full Load: I've seen 103'C

Anyone out there can share a light ? Its ridiculously high.

Setting the fan to run at 100% and these are the readings:

Idle:73'C
Full Load: 96'C

Software used: Both nTune and ATITool reports the same readings
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Now, this is what i call high rclxub.gif ..There is obviously some problem somewhere. I guess you can try checking your casing airflow, cable management and GC cooling. Make sure everything is fine. Try adding side panel fan to help things out..
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post Jul 24 2007, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(tanghm @ Jul 24 2007, 10:12 AM)
I set mine to 100% Fan using RivaTuner.

Idle: Still 73'C
Load: 90++ 'C

Open entire case and lay flat on the floor, still the same.

=.= ?
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Wow, in that case, i think there might be something wrong with your GC. Poorly applied TIM maybe?
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post Jul 24 2007, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 24 2007, 12:55 PM)
yeah bro....give some pix... get real good closeups....
my BFG was around the same actually...did u cover the vent holes? i did it with masking tape and i think it improved the temps a little as the fan isnt recycling hot air. previously idling at 70..last i checked it was idling at 63.
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You mean covering the vent holes can drop the idling temperature by 7c? shocking.gif I am tempted to do that though and force the card temperature to go even lower...
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 24 2007, 02:21 PM)
i guess so. coz logically thinking those vent holes will be emitting hot air back into the casing.. and the nearest fan to the holes would be the GC Cooler fan...

but then keep in mind that i also just upgraded my rig. but logically it shouldnt effect the temps. cable management etc etc etc are all the same. and i also havent been able to extensively test it out yet. coz im still in the midst of setting up my windows (installing software etc etc etc).

y not try it out...but id recommend using masking tape as theyre easier to take out in case u dont want them there.

theres also a thread in the cooling and hard modding section about DIY cheap replacing the 8800 fan. looks interesting so far with positive results. should check that out as well.
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About the modding one, i will give that a pass. Really do not want to try something that much to a 1k card which i saved so long for it..Anyway, i will try to cover the venting holes and see how the temperature goes. Really wanted to reapply the thermal paste as well but worried i might damage the card when taking the HSF off..LOL..
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 24 2007, 06:49 PM)
laugh.gif i know the feeling...everytime i look at the card i always take a peek in between and look at the thermal pads with disgust. i have to hold myself off from applying MX-1 or even AS5 on the heatsink laugh.gif

anyway... hope u do the simple mod and let us know the result yah...

EDIT: oh yeah... hope u take note of ur processor temperature and mobo temperature as well.. wanna know if there are any changes as i think those holes actually let out alot of hot air back into the case.
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Well, i would try covering the vent holes and see how it goes. Experiment might be done during the weekend when i am free. For now, the 2 side panel fan is really serving me extremely well. Almost 4 days without turning the PC off and its still idling at 57c constant. Never went higher than 58. LOL..

ABout the ugly thermal pads, well, maybe if one day i could not stand it anymore, i might just peel it off and reapply MX1 onto it. Not sure how much temperature drop it will affect though..LOL..

QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jul 24 2007, 10:00 PM)
y owes no ppl care my question one.. i post one before no ppl answer, then i post another again also. I really need some feedbacks from you guys.

i wanna get a 8600gt gc for myself. My brother got one xfx 8600gt xxx while my fren has galaxy one. Which one is betteR? My brother said that his xfx hit 83c like tat when load. Is this normal? or can recommend any other? Storm88 one need order oleidi.. the xfx core speed quite high compare to colorful. But with xfx price, i can get the colorful 8600gt ultra oc. Guide me please. Thanks!!
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XFX 8600GT XXX version AFAIK is about RM550 while Galaxy 8600GT OC is about 480 the last time i check.

Galaxy Pros:
- Cheaper price
- Almost the same performance as the XFX
- Better cooler, lower temperature

XFX Pros:
- According to review, supposingly slightly better than the Galaxy
- Better design, more beautiful
- Black PCB thumbup.gif
- Better warranty i assume IF the dual owner lifetime exist in Asia region


From there, take your pick. If you do not mind buying the colorful one, of course, that is going to be your best pick as off now. Low price, better performance. However, i do not like colorful though..Not sure why..LOL..
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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Jul 24 2007, 10:44 PM)
haha i like black pcb too  brows.gif
maybe because of their lame-ish box design and overly simple pcb coupled with cheap looking hsf stickers???
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Well, its just that i am not too confident with the brand unless i tried one in some day (which i doubt). I do not like the brand itself (not related to the product) and the way it was packaged. But to be honest, the price is tempting, the product seems good as it comes with solid caps, good coolers etc..Heck, still not interested in it though..

QUOTE(Someonesim @ Jul 25 2007, 01:50 AM)
You talk about the old pnetium 4 fan , is REALLY horrible , my housemate using P4 system and the i can heard the sound at my own room .
Anyway is the 8600GTS 256bit 512MB version available ? nVidia had confirmed it .
My most expectation are on the REAL performance grade graphic card ( ets 8700 ) with 64 steam processor or 80 steam processor product .
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May i know the source of the confirmation?I have yet to hear anything on this though...

512MB 256bit seems promising but i think the price is going to be hefty. My best guess is that they will reach the range of the 320MB 8800GTS range though but slightly cheaper...

QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jul 25 2007, 08:40 AM)
Bought a MSI 8800GTS 320mb yesterday.

All games run perfectly except Lost Planet.
It keep on crashing slightly the same place when I try to run DX9 game.

Any idea what happen? Is it my card problem or DX problem?? Or Perhaps game?
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Care to share your idle and load temp? smile.gif
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QUOTE(tycheah_7 @ Jul 25 2007, 02:28 PM)
im planning to get a 8800GTS 320Mb but im confused with soo many brands out there. ASUS, GIGABYTE, MSI, XFX, blablabalbalbla.... What are the differences between them and would the performance difference would be very high ? And also looking at PALIT card which is muchhhh cheaper. Would the performance degrade lower ?
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IMO, if you are talking about performance of the cards in stock, all are basically the same with only slight negligible differences. The price difference are due to several differences in their packaging, mainly including games, softwares, warranty etc. In term of performance, they are basically the same except for those that are pre OCed like Evga Superclocked series, MSI OC, etc..

If i were you, i would ask myself several questions first :

- Do i need those bundled stuff
- Am i fussy about warranty issue
- What budget do i have and what do i need

These are the recommendations from me :

EVGA 8800GTS superclocked
Arguebly, one of the best performer in the 320MB series. Pre-OCed, and have better performance when compared with other brands. Bad thing about this is that you will need to get from overseas or bulk. This translates to a problem to RMA the product in case any problem happens..

PALIT 8800GTS
Cheapest one available for the same performance. Heck, you are saving almost RM200 by getting something that has less bundle but performs the same.

ASUS 8800GTS
Best warranty around with 3 years International warranty. 3 years is very good and coupled with International warranty where you can send to RMA wherever you are, this is a plus point in Asus products. Come with a good bundle as well but some are saying Asus is a tad hotter than other 8800GTS around.

MSI 8800GTS OC
IINM, this might be the cheapest Pre-OCed 8800GTS available at LYP at roughly about RM1.1k or lower. Good performance, quite a good bundle and 2 years warranty might be a plus point.


Just take a pick from there on what you need and see how it goes...
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jul 25 2007, 03:10 PM)
lets not forget the BFG 8800GTS 320MB OC2 tongue.gif

has the same plus and minus points as the EVGA akachester mentioned. factory OCed, bulk order, RMA bla bla bla...

but the bundle comes with some nice caption stickers and a t-shirt! thumbup.gif

no idea what the EVGA has in the bundle though...can anyone enlighten me whats in the package ah?
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Opps...Forgot about that as well. BFG is good as well but need to be gotten from overseas - troublesome RMA process. LOL..Anyway, AFAIK, BFG have lifetime warranty which is very good indeed. And a very good bundle as well..

QUOTE(ltw82 @ Jul 25 2007, 03:11 PM)
whistling.gif
LYP seldom reload Asus stock once sold out...
they will persuite customer to get something else like XFX... which i feel more expensive...
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LOl..They will pursue you to buy whatever leftover stocks they have. Not just XFX..
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Couldnt see the picture there..
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post Jul 26 2007, 08:49 AM

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Its fine there at those temperature. Heck, on raining day + 2 side panel fan, my MSI cant even drop below the 50c mark. At least you are having 40+ on idle during raining day..LOL...

Dont worry about the load going up that high. Its perfectly normal AFAIK. Even my Idle temperature is at around 70+c last time.
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QUOTE(mdzaboy @ Jul 26 2007, 08:51 AM)
what picture..?
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The one you posted earlier tongue.gif ..Anyway, i can see it now already..Can it really work as its so small?Even those big reference cooler is having a hard time cooling the GC itself..LOL..

I still prefer the TEC cooler from Calibre though..Looks nice to me..LOL..
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The Zalman one looks good and promising. It does look fairly similar to the 7800/7900GTX cooler though minus the cover for the fins..LOL..

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