QUOTE(bananajoe @ Apr 8 2018, 10:31 PM)
I had PM youWrong Income Tax Declaration Made by Accountant, Hefty Penalty for Wrong Declaration Made
Wrong Income Tax Declaration Made by Accountant, Hefty Penalty for Wrong Declaration Made
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Apr 13 2018, 11:09 AM
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Apr 13 2018, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE(real55555 @ Apr 13 2018, 11:09 AM) I think with her having to pay such high taxes every year means her income is high also, so its not a matter she cannot afford to pay the penalty now, its a matter she not willing to pay. She willing to pay the entitle taxes but not the penalty for the mistake made by the firm.So my advice is, write in to LHDN or go to their office to discuss with the director on how to settle this. Propose to pay in installments if she cannot settle full sum in one go. At least stop the interest first. For legal side of matters, I think a bit hard to win plus stand to lose even more on legal cost. For someone earning that much, quite hard to convince the judge that you don't know anything about income tax and you signed your income tax submission without checking. Plus, she was advised by the new accountant to lodge a complain to the Accounting Association in Malaysia once she start suing the firm as the association will help assist on this matter and might revoke the rights and the license of the charted accountant whom endorse her assessment. (which she intentionally do not want to go this far). |
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Apr 13 2018, 12:02 PM
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I would suggest to raise this up with MIA and Chartered Tax Insitute of malaysia. This is a very serious offense and every firm pays for indemnity insurance
Also, double check if there are even registered as a tax agent. There are a lot of bogus tax agents out there This post has been edited by sikentut: Apr 13 2018, 12:05 PM |
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Apr 13 2018, 07:27 PM
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Were the assessments estimated ones under Section 90 (2) ? Look at the top of the Assessment Notice. If so, Section 90 (2) will be printed there. These type of assessments are estimated or advance ones usually made by the Inland Revenue when the taxpayer fails to file a return for the year. Such assessments are easy to appeal and will usually be reduced once you file a proper complete return. Write to the Finance Ministry's tax division, as mentioned, claiming error and mistake relief under Section 131. Write to the top man here in the "Tax Division" here. CC to the two below him. http://www.treasury.gov.my/index.php/en/co...-directory.html Explain that you had made a genuine mistake in omitting the income, as the form had been filled by the tax agent, who never advised nor informed you of such omission. Mention that it is not the IRD's practice to impose 100 % penalties. Appeal to them to reduce or waive the penalties. Scan copies of all assessments and attach them to your mail. http://www.agc.gov.my/agcportal/uploads/fi...EN/Act%2053.pdf Public Ruling No. 7 of 2015 here also explains this. http://www.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfam/PR_7_2015.pdf Look at the back of the Form B. There is a section to be signed by the tax agent. This was added in some years ago. Previously there was no such section. This means the tax agent is also liable by law. Tax agents come under Section 153. Explain in your appeal letter to the Finance Ministry that the tax agent was negligent in his duties under Section 153 of the Act, and action should be taken against him for such negligence. This post has been edited by Tham: Apr 13 2018, 07:42 PM |
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Apr 13 2018, 09:38 PM
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QUOTE(Tham @ Apr 13 2018, 07:27 PM) Were the assessments estimated ones under Section 90 (2) ? Thanks for the additional information and the directoryLook at the top of the Assessment Notice. If so, Section 90 (2) will be printed there. These type of assessments are estimated or advance ones usually made by the Inland Revenue when the taxpayer fails to file a return for the year. Such assessments are easy to appeal and will usually be reduced once you file a proper complete return. Write to the Finance Ministry's tax division, as mentioned, claiming error and mistake relief under Section 131. Write to the top man here in the "Tax Division" here. CC to the two below him. http://www.treasury.gov.my/index.php/en/co...-directory.html Explain that you had made a genuine mistake in omitting the income, as the form had been filled by the tax agent, who never advised nor informed you of such omission. Mention that it is not the IRD's practice to impose 100 % penalties. Appeal to them to reduce or waive the penalties. Scan copies of all assessments and attach them to your mail. http://www.agc.gov.my/agcportal/uploads/fi...EN/Act%2053.pdf Public Ruling No. 7 of 2015 here also explains this. http://www.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfam/PR_7_2015.pdf Look at the back of the Form B. There is a section to be signed by the tax agent. This was added in some years ago. Previously there was no such section. This means the tax agent is also liable by law. Tax agents come under Section 153. Explain in your appeal letter to the Finance Ministry that the tax agent was negligent in his duties under Section 153 of the Act, and action should be taken against him for such negligence. |
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Apr 15 2018, 05:05 PM
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really unprofessionals
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Apr 16 2018, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(Tham @ Apr 13 2018, 07:27 PM) Write to the top man here in the "Tax Division" here. CC to the two below him. http://www.treasury.gov.my/index.php/en/co...-directory.html . |
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Apr 16 2018, 12:06 PM
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Can pm me the accounting firm as well? This is terrible. I am sorry for you TS.
I really suggest to complain it to MIA and also hired a lawyer to sue the accounting firm. |
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Apr 16 2018, 03:11 PM
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Based on my experience and my practice, we will get the confirmation from the tax payer before we proceed for the submission of annual tax return (ATR) to the IRB..
We will prepare the tax computation with details, i.e. analysis of accounts and show any breakdown on the sensitive items.. So that tax payer will aware and review.. We will put a remarks if there is insufficient information, so that tax payer will need to provide the information or to confirm on the information given.. In our letter also got clause " we have prepared the tax computation based on the information given by the company and we have not undertaken an audit or conduct any verification on the completeness and accuracy information provided to us. We have to rely on your company to bring to our attention and particular disclosed which is incomplete or incorrect to that ATR".. For the tax agent, our job scope is prepare the ATR based on the Auditors Report and information from the company.. However, the tax agent also need to advise to the tax payer on which sensitive items that need further information in order to determine the deductibility of the expenses.. After clients, confirm all in order, the tax payer need to sign on the confirmation letter (prepared by us) and the draft Form B, BE, C etc. if the tax payer agree.. Plus, in our appointment letter also already stated that the tax agent will not be liable for any penalty imposed by the IRB for any understated of information or wrong declaration.. From your cases, Your friend 1. Your friend suppose to review all the tax computation before agreed and signed the Form. 2. Your friend suppose to ask everything even though not much knowledge on the taxation i.e. what income subject to tax or not, and what expenses subject to tax or not, any rebates or not, what is the tax rates 3. After tax agent submitted the ATR, your friend suppose to ask a copy of submitted form and review it again 4. Your friend suppose to deal with registered tax agent Tax agent 1. tax agent responsible to explain the tax computation that he has prepared 2. if registered tax agent firm, there must be a preparer and reviewer before the tax computation is release to the tax payer / client 3. If you looking to non registered tax agent (means they prepare the tax computation using Tax Payer account) and not registered tax agent (using TAeF tax agent efiling), then your friend is in trouble.. Solution If the IRB already issued the additional assessment and penalty, your friend is require to make a payment first before can appeal.. otherwise, penalty on late payment will be increase.. your friends may try to appeal, but need a strong supporting documents and explanation. |
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Apr 16 2018, 03:23 PM
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accounting firm has professional indemnity insurance
with that ammount, get lawyer to claim for you can try this one, quite a reputable one https://www.shearndelamore.com/ |
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Apr 16 2018, 08:09 PM
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Usually will have insurance for mistake unless some scam accounting company.
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Apr 16 2018, 11:11 PM
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QUOTE(aregip @ Apr 16 2018, 03:11 PM) Based on my experience and my practice, we will get the confirmation from the tax payer before we proceed for the submission of annual tax return (ATR) to the IRB.. Dear Aregip,We will prepare the tax computation with details, i.e. analysis of accounts and show any breakdown on the sensitive items.. So that tax payer will aware and review.. We will put a remarks if there is insufficient information, so that tax payer will need to provide the information or to confirm on the information given.. In our letter also got clause " we have prepared the tax computation based on the information given by the company and we have not undertaken an audit or conduct any verification on the completeness and accuracy information provided to us. We have to rely on your company to bring to our attention and particular disclosed which is incomplete or incorrect to that ATR".. For the tax agent, our job scope is prepare the ATR based on the Auditors Report and information from the company.. However, the tax agent also need to advise to the tax payer on which sensitive items that need further information in order to determine the deductibility of the expenses.. After clients, confirm all in order, the tax payer need to sign on the confirmation letter (prepared by us) and the draft Form B, BE, C etc. if the tax payer agree.. Plus, in our appointment letter also already stated that the tax agent will not be liable for any penalty imposed by the IRB for any understated of information or wrong declaration.. From your cases, Your friend 1. Your friend suppose to review all the tax computation before agreed and signed the Form. 2. Your friend suppose to ask everything even though not much knowledge on the taxation i.e. what income subject to tax or not, and what expenses subject to tax or not, any rebates or not, what is the tax rates 3. After tax agent submitted the ATR, your friend suppose to ask a copy of submitted form and review it again 4. Your friend suppose to deal with registered tax agent Tax agent 1. tax agent responsible to explain the tax computation that he has prepared 2. if registered tax agent firm, there must be a preparer and reviewer before the tax computation is release to the tax payer / client 3. If you looking to non registered tax agent (means they prepare the tax computation using Tax Payer account) and not registered tax agent (using TAeF tax agent efiling), then your friend is in trouble.. Solution If the IRB already issued the additional assessment and penalty, your friend is require to make a payment first before can appeal.. otherwise, penalty on late payment will be increase.. your friends may try to appeal, but need a strong supporting documents and explanation. Thanks for the highlights; the Tax Agent is a reputable agency back then. As pointed out by you; they did not explained the tax computation nor prepare in such details length as mention by you. All was summarised and stated this is the amount need to be paid and informing everything had been arrange in order and ask my friend to sign it for submission. Hence during the income tax interview with the officer; the Tax Agent who did the account were not able to answer the tabulation made and just nodding his head while replying will check it. She had written the letter of appeal and will be meeting up the income tax officer soon. |
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Apr 17 2018, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(medowance @ Apr 16 2018, 11:11 PM) Dear Aregip, Woww! Reputable tax agent, but not advise their client accordingly? Then, if like that, all i can say that tax agent will be liable for what they have done.. Thanks for the highlights; the Tax Agent is a reputable agency back then. As pointed out by you; they did not explained the tax computation nor prepare in such details length as mention by you. All was summarised and stated this is the amount need to be paid and informing everything had been arrange in order and ask my friend to sign it for submission. Hence during the income tax interview with the officer; the Tax Agent who did the account were not able to answer the tabulation made and just nodding his head while replying will check it. She had written the letter of appeal and will be meeting up the income tax officer soon. Suppose they need to prepare a set of tax computation to suppose the ATR.. Otherwise, how their key in into e-filing? Just simply key in? If they can not justify all thosw thing, then ask your friend to sue him and ask tax agent to bear all the cost.. Make sure compile all the evidence i.e. Supporting documents or any black and white documents.. May i know, your friends filing return is submitted under the tax agent (TAeF filing) or under your friends name? How to check, is by look at into submitted slip (1st page) and there is stated who submit your friend's ATR.. If tax agent, then you got 1 point to win.. |
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Apr 18 2018, 02:29 PM
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Should pay lhdn first
LHDN vs Tax payer is unrelated to Tax payer vs Tax agent |
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Apr 24 2018, 04:14 PM
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Apr 24 2018, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE(aregip @ Apr 17 2018, 04:20 PM) Woww! Reputable tax agent, but not advise their client accordingly? Then, if like that, all i can say that tax agent will be liable for what they have done.. Will check on that; coz now all the files had been send to new accountant for review.Suppose they need to prepare a set of tax computation to suppose the ATR.. Otherwise, how their key in into e-filing? Just simply key in? If they can not justify all thosw thing, then ask your friend to sue him and ask tax agent to bear all the cost.. Make sure compile all the evidence i.e. Supporting documents or any black and white documents.. May i know, your friends filing return is submitted under the tax agent (TAeF filing) or under your friends name? How to check, is by look at into submitted slip (1st page) and there is stated who submit your friend's ATR.. If tax agent, then you got 1 point to win.. |
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Apr 24 2018, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE(medowance @ Apr 13 2018, 11:08 AM) Other than her salary which was miss out; there are issues on the declaration which are only entitle of 50% or 30% claimable as inform by the income tax officer. I thought all those can claim 100%? Entertainment only can claim 50%..a. Mobile Phone claims - 30% b. General Expenses - 50% c. Office Expenses - 50% d. Allowance - 50% The accountant declare all 100% on the above stated item hence all these area was penalize as well. She gone back and check all the other years declaration; and it was done the same at 100% by the accounting firm. After checking with income tax website; these was enforce since 2013. So to my questions; why the accountant know it and still did not follow the rules apply??? She confronted them and got a reply, "It's ok, if they had found out we only need to resubmit again"............F!! I am not accountant or tax agent |
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Apr 25 2018, 12:27 AM
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Apr 26 2018, 09:50 PM
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can PM me the company name of the tax agent?
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Apr 27 2018, 12:05 PM
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look back at the ea, see the firm got any caveat? and check what info you have provided to him/her, is the salary clearly stated there as well? i.e. u provided all the necessary info but they compute it wrongly?
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