A test made by the russian OC team itc/modlabs; AS5 and ASC are identical in performance, and are, and AS5 is terribly overpriced for the performace it offers:

results

crappy thermal interface

Tital Nano Blue 59
Panasonic 58.5
KPT-8 (reference) 56.6

decent thermal interface

Data Cooler 57
Titan TTG S-104 , S-103 56.7
Pasta Siliconowa 56.6
Zalman CSL 850 56.5
Noctua 56.5
Stars Silver 56.5
Stars 700/Aero 700 56
GeIL GL-TCP1b 55.6
Thermopox 55.6
КПТ-8(BeO) 55.5
Sil more 55.5
Shin-Etsu(white) 55.5
W.P. 55.5
STARS (white, soft pack) 55.5
AKT-842 55
Fanner 420 55
Koolance 55

good thermal interface

Arctic Alumina 55.5
Arctic Silver-3 54.6
AOS 54.5
DC-340 54.5
Asetek 54.5
Arctic Silver-5 53.5
Arctic Ceramique 53.5

great thermal interface

Apus TMG 301 52.5
Gigabyte 52.5
Titan Nano Grease TTG-G30010 52.5
GFC-M1 D90T8-010 52.5
Shin-Etsu MicroSi G-751 52

outstanding thermal interface

Arctic Cooling MX-1 51.5
Shin-Etsu MicroSi MPU-3.7 50.5
Coollaboratory Liquid Pro 50


teh numbers repesent the temps... lower is beter....


This post has been edited by lolhalol: May 12 2007, 10:05 AM

Does those gigabyte thermal paste they meant are those provided when we buy Gigabyte CPU/VGA coolers?

Wow..the Arctic Cooling MX-1 is categorized as outstanding..I would love to try that out..And the AS5 is only known as good which is 2 level behind..hmm...

Any source for the review?And where is chill factor..lol..

i m not sure.... maybe coz i canbt find any thing on their site bout a themalpaste..

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Added on May 12, 2007, 10:13 amteh source link is borken...im looking for it now... this is posted over at xs... so im not bullshiting ...

This post has been edited by lolhalol: May 12 2007, 10:13 AM

Dont worry, i am not saying you are BSing..I just wanted to see the review for myself..lol..Should be something good coming..Time to get myself the MX-1..

hehe .. teh review is in russion... lolz... so i dun think can read it anyway,...lolz...have to use translater....lolz

ya i tout some one doing bulk on that thing rite

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/445940

here it is

This post has been edited by emilz: May 12 2007, 10:56 AM

bro is coolermaster thermal paste guds??????

i tink wan to buy wan soon....

oh snap, now i regret finishing two tubes of my MX-1 thermal paste on heatsinking the transistors.

Incredible, i am always a fanboy of Arctic Cooling's MX-1, but i never knew the difference between it and the AS5 was so significant.

1 question here is the AS5 fully burnt-in? i doubt its burnt-in

i guess same goes to the rest of the thermal paste, they r not bed in yet... most of these paste need at least 200 hours of bedding time... i've seen this review before over xs too... mx-1 does get very good results from a lot reviews, n they do perform better after bedding in... best of all, it's conductivity is zero... so messy guy like me no need worry... just apply n no need to wipe away the excessive 1.. hahaha...

mx-1 compare to as-5 ?...i heard that as-5 is conductive right?..

AS5 is not conductive

oh..then if compare mx-1 and as-5..which one perform better?..coz the price for both is almost the same..

According to their site, AS5 is slightly conductive and advised not to come in contact with electrical components.

do u think this thread belongs in the thermal paste discussion thread?

no, it is not conductive. but it is slightly capacitive. hence that advice.

For me, CM's thermal paste is a big nono. For that price, i would rather spend abit more and get the AS5 or MX-1 which is proven to be good. Tested CM Nano last time (which was quite expensive as i remember and the performance is not that for off from normal white paste...

Time to get the MX-1 myself...lol..Any idea where i can get it in LYP?

wow
the result make my eyes blink blink

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Added on May 12, 2007, 10:13 pmerm.. i guess not.
its seems like to sharing a reviewed result than a discussion thread.
isnt it?

This post has been edited by storm88: May 12 2007, 10:13 PM

below is a picture taken from factory showroom while i was in china.

all 3 products in the pictures have the same thermal compound, in 3different branding & packing.

left japanese market,

middle, taiwan & china

right MX-1

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we have middle & right gonna test it out with my frend's new rig

hahaha..then i will here waiting for ur result.....coz i am using AS-5 now..if MX-1 is really better then might consider to get one after my AS-5 finish

MX-1 is better. I can't remember where I've seen the review but it was about 2-3'c lower compared to AS-5.......

Wished I knew that earlier, would have bought the MX-1 instead!!!

Im not sure, but the paste that we get free with TR heatsinks are good too
1-2C higher compared to AS5. not too shabby

And people was discussing which thermal paste was better than the AS5 last time ..The AS5 seems unbeatable during that time and now, there is plenty out there..Darn..

To be honest, even the Chill Factor which was supposed to beat the AS5 doesnt really perform to what i had expected. Therefore, i am still sticking to my AS5 for every component that needs it..

hehe..nvm lar bro..wait till finish AS-5 then get MX-1 d lor..me too me too.. ..if i knew bout this earlier..sure i get MX-1 d..coz both also same price..anyone using MX-1 here?..can share their opinion?

hahaha me still think want to buy it or not from the bulk

cause i jut get as5 12g damd still lot of it now want to buy another one

hahaha..me too leh..just got a brand new as-5 to buddle with my gigabyte g power...although used for twice d..but stil got a lot..hehehe...may we can buy together next time in the bulk, mayb can get cheaper..lol

lol..i got the small tube of AS5, used countless time already, applied on GC, Proc, NB etc and still have alot..

Any user on MX-1 care to comment about its performance against the AS5?

This post has been edited by akachester: May 13 2007, 12:56 PM

Errr.... I still have the AS5, CM nanofusion, TIM from Noctua HSF and TIM from chipset heatsink. Probably won't finish any of these in years!!!

I've been searching around for that excellent comparison between TIMs which included the AS5 and AS-MX-1. Can't seem to find it.....

i am using MX-1 now previous AS5
temp better a bit i guess since now i using lower cfm fan compared to before when i use higher CFM fan with AS5.

Temp currently no difference.

hmmm..interesting...at one time AS-5 was well known as the best thermal interface...now MX-1 is here to compete the title

didn't notice any temp changes (if got i think oso 1 or celcius max)... but i use mx-1 coz it's non conductive, hence i can easily apply to all those smaller chipset which has passive cooler (heat sink) installed)... as it's no metal base so it should last longer, no need reapply after long use... but i think most of us change cooler or paste after only few months, hehehe...

Hmm may i ask, how many thermal paste that i need to fill in the cpu that metal there?
I saw some picture just put a small dot there, but for my cpu metal there i plug out the heatsink then i saw whole metal is thermal paste.( i'm sure not just put a dot there. "
So how many that i need to fill ?

just put a dot will do.
when u apply on heatsink on the CPU later, the thermal paste will spread out.

It really depends on certain thermal paste. At best, search at their website and see how should it be applied. For AS5, it is using rice grain method where you will only put a rice grain size thermal paste at the proc and spread it using the HSF. Others such as Zalman and TR Chill Factor will need you to spread it out using a card to all over the proc...

Whats the application method for the AC MX-1 ? Is it small grain of rice like AS5 or spread all over the surface?

If only this post came up a few days earlier, I just bought one tube AS5 from moderno, and I saw he got stock of MX1....

normally i just put a dot..then let the heatsink do its job when i fix it..hehe..

My best guess, it should be just using the rice grain method. Try asking ianho for confirmation as he have the MX-1.

Did a research on their website and it did show using rice grain method and spread it using the HSF:

http://www.arctic-cooling.com/downloads/in..._mx1_retail.pdf

I see, ok i try get some info for that. XD.
Because last time i just buy those cheap cheap themal paste that selling at box on flour that kind. Didn't search any branded 1. Next time try search at Low Yat c c .

hehe..those cheap cheap one no use one lar..poor performance compare to AS-5 or MX-1...wondering low yat got sell it?..why u dun wan get from the bulk?..easier and cheaper i think

I just go Low Yat buy staff 1, sometime i walkaround then c c got what staff buy and buy at there. Then Low Yat which thermal paste that i can find ?

I had clean my gf pc for all dust thing there, i also plug out the cpu heatsink and clean it but i just apply little bit those thermal paste and slot back, but the temperature is around 40 something till 50 �C, then i replug again the temperature now is around 40 something. So maybe i get new thermal paste and apply again, because the thermal paste that i use no more already.

Are you using aftermarket/third party HSF?If you are, then its at best to get a good thermal paste as it will be very helpful in decreasing the temperature. After all, a good HSF always need a good thermal paste to function well..

However, if you are not, then i guess its still no harm in using a good thermal paste but of course, you wouldnt see the true potential of it.Maybe a slight 2 - 3c decrease (my best guess)...

I tried before AS5 on a P4 2.8E with stock HSF. It was a Waste of Paste no temp drop also after curing...

I tried using the AS5 before on stock Opteron Heatpipe cooler and it did decrease "slightly" only. Around 2 - 3c. But a change to better HSF really shows the true potential..

i see, because i need to apply again the thermal paste, just c got any nice thermal paste or not.
If need to use third party thermal paste...... then maybe i still get cheap thermal paste XD. Because i'm still using that P4 stock HSF.

Well, you can choose either to use or not.Either way, the effects would not be alot..Cause if you really intent to stick with P4 stock HSF, there is no point in wasting money and get those expensive thermal paste..

ermm..stock hsf fan with gud thermal paste cant give u gud result actually..coz thermal paste act like a medium to improve heat transfer from ur proc to heatsink..so if u hav a gud thermal paste but ur heatsink not gud as it cant take so much heat at one time.. at the end the effect stil not too big..and u will wasted the gud thermal paste d..
-so my suggestion..pair a gud thermal paste with nice heatsink..then u will notice the result...my proc almost drop 10C when i change my hsf and used AS-5

I see, maybe look around c how for my gf pc, don't know wheather she want change or not. Anywhere thank you for the info .

hhehe..mayb u can change to mid range or low range of heatsink...since u not oc ur gf pc ma...so i think mid range should be enough d..need around rm100 to rm150 then u can get one d

Any suggestion ah? I'm not OC my pc and my gf pc, event thought my pc running with c2d and 7900gs there.

ermm..tats a lot of choice out there..depends on u actually...ermm..mayb u can try ask moderno coz he is one of the dealer for many big brand..and i deal b4 with him..quite nice guy ...or may u can google around..but must remember 2 things, ur mobo compatibility and also ur casing size..

This post has been edited by ciohbu: May 14 2007, 06:46 PM

got depend what pentium socket ?? or other need to care ?

ya..of course depends on ur socket type also lor..hehe..ermm..and ur budjet gua..and u must check whether the new heatsink will clash with ur mobo component or ram or graphic or not..

ya o, those heat sink so "huge". Ok i c around forum here XD.
Thank again XD.

maybe AC freezer series might fit your favour

Yes, i do agree that Arctic Cooling products seems to be cheap and perform quite well..Try look into that matter..

Anyway, to be honest, if your gf dont mind using that stock cooling, i dont see why there is a need to change to a better HSF.Yes, maybe it will prolong the life of the processor but i am pretty sure the stock HSF is enough if the cpu is running on stock speed..lol..

Anyway, this topic is for discussion of TIM. I guess we should stay away from HSF discussion..lol..

hehe..ya..artic cooling is included in the middle range of hsf...ai yah bro akachester, sometime we no need follow the law so close ma, he just asking few opinion only.nvm lar..as long as we didnt change the whole thread to discuss hsf d can lor.. .hahahha..no offence ya..just my opinion..

lol..i noe lar..scare later mod come susah ma..lol..

Anyway, besides AS5, Chill Factor, MX-1, ACeramique, any other type of good TIM you guys had tried before?I ony did on Zalman which was such a waste of money as well as CM..

ermm...i did try b4 those unbranded one..hahha..totally can throw into dustbin..for CM, i dun trust CM product ,for example their fans or hsf, OEM product with poor performance !!

CM fans are still ok, definitely not the best..So do their HSF. At least they are not that expensive anyway when compared to those higher end ones...

I tried quite a number of TIM before (not sure why i am addicted to those) like the Zalman Super Thermal Grease, CM High Performance Thermal Grease, AS5, TR Chill Factor, Zerotherm & Noctua Thermal Grease (these i got from the coolers i bought), and to be honest, i am still sticking towards the AS5.

But my impression might be changed since i am getting the MX-1 soon..

Cool! Tell us how much cooler it is ok?

I just bought the AS-5 last week!!!

huh?..wat u mean by how much cooler?..

Hmm at low yat i just c many CM's HSF only. If for those nice HSF it just need a dot of thermal paste is it? XD.

Really need to go low yat walk walk c about HSF and thermal paste.

ermm..cant say nice hsf need a dot of thermal paste only..it depends on the thermal paste and heatsink itself...hahha...ya..low yat got a lot of CM and Tt hsf..but if u really wanna get a nice one*(other than CM and Tt)...i think u only can find it in LYN..lowyat doesnt sell those big brand in heatsink

This post has been edited by ciohbu: May 15 2007, 06:31 PM

Some CM hsf do perform well for their price range like example the CM Hyper TX.

I meant better thermal paste like the Mx-1 will transfer heat better. As such, the PC component e.g. CPU will be slightly cooler by a few degrees..... (see TS first page)

No. It does not work that way. The way to apply the thermal paste does NOT depends on the HSF. Its solely depend on the thermal paste itself. You will need to apply it as shown by the manufacturer to get the best out of the thermal paste. The need for good HSF is to show the potential of the thermal paste itself...

Yes, i do agree that CM Hyper TX is a very good HSF that comes at a good pricing as well...

Er may i ask where is LYN ?? Because many ppl talk to this place to find something.

I see than if i want get that HSF then i want to c those website got tell how to apply that thermal paste XD.

Thermal Take product at Lowyat also less because i still finding it's casing fans ....

Errrr... are you from Malaysia aaa? Just curious....

You know where is Berjaya Times square? How about Imbi plaza? Well, Low Yat is just at the corner.....

Edit : Or are you asking about LYN - Low Yat Net. That's this website!!!

This post has been edited by kmarc: May 15 2007, 08:46 PM

LYN is lowyat.net lor..hahaha

OMG ..... i thought LYN is another place... XD.
So sorry ah XD. Make so big mistake here XD.

Here's where you can get some good stuff:

http://forum.lowyat.net/BulkOrders
http://forum.lowyat.net/GarageSales

Enjoy your shopping!

BTW, what's with the XD?

This post has been edited by kmarc: May 15 2007, 09:00 PM

hahah..nvm lar..its ok de

Thank you kmarc for the info.
XD < face of pain, cross eye + smiling mouth.

Dont misunderstood the point. HSF does not influence the way you are going to apply the thermal paste itself. You need to apply the thermal paste according to way that particular thermal paste recommends you to..For example, if you are using AS5, you will need to apply the thermal paste using the recommended way by AS5 themselves. Therefore, no matter you are using stock cooler, Noctua, TR, Zalman etc, you will still apply that thermal paste the same way as what recommended by AS themselves..Hope you get my point there..

Well there isn't a specific BEST way to apply thermal paste. You could spread a thin layer of AS5 and it still performs well. The more important part would be that there are different way of applying thermal paste for different processor. Intel C2D had their processor's core fixed at a different place than AMD or their previous processors. So the thermal paste placing goes different too.

Guys, i bought my MX-1 yesterday and its not performing. It has higher temp than a brandless thermal paste that i got from a friend. Seems that MX-1 is 2-3c higher than the brandless thermal paste lol. I even reapplied my MX-1 today incase i applied it wrongly.

hmmm..unbranded verus MX-1 and MX-1 lost..??..weird weird..

Ehhh? Cannot be aaa? Mx-1 supposed to be better than AS5! Maybe you have to wait for it to sink in first......

Try wait for it to sink in first and see how. Not sure whether the MX-1 need sink in time or not though..Might get my MX-1 next week and maybe test it out to match it with my current AS5 temperature. In the meantime, must find a replacement GC to power up my PC when the MX-1 arrive...

LoL i was suprised myself brandless thermal paste has better results i'll see how's the result tomorrow as i fold 24/7

This is part of the article I got from AS website:

Break-in period
Due to the unique shape and sizes of the particles in Arctic Silver 5 conductive matrix, it will take a up to 200 hours and several thermal cycles to achieve maximum particle to particle thermal conduction and for the heatsink to CPU interface to reach maximum conductivity. (This period will be longer in a system without a fan on the heatsink or with a low speed fan on the heatsink.) On systems measuring actual internal core temperatures via the CPU's internal diode, the measured temperature will often drop 2C to 5C over this "break-in" period. This break-in will occur during the normal use of the computer as long as the computer is turned off from time to time and the interface is allowed to cool to room temperature. Once the break-in is complete, the computer can be left on if desired.

Hmmm. Aight then i shall let it cooldown for tonight and see how it goes

Hmmm i don't know izzit juz me or what no difference. maybe need more time to sink-in

I guess we need to wait and see..You tested it on the PC as the spec in your Sig?

No difference meh? How do you test the core temp? When orthos 15 min? Idling?

But not yet sink in also lose to brandless thermal paste meh? Even AS5 not sink in beat my stock AM2 thermal paste on the cooler.

Hmmmm..... but TS's first post says differently! Maybe can ask TS how he applied the MX-1..... should be the same, isn't it?

I heard it takes around 200 hours for the thermal paste to take effect, is that correct ?

That's what the manual say. See above post #82.....

yeap thats the rig i tested

i fold, i check my temp when i fold

This post has been edited by TerryZeroX: May 19 2007, 07:00 PM

Folding using SMP client or 2 single-core client?

However, folding won't accurately show your core temp. I'm also folding using 2 single-core client but if I look at my CPU usage, it never reaches 100%.

CPU usage would fluctuate from 90-100% (for both cores). Thus, to accurately look at your core temp, you should run an app that stresses your CPU at 100%. Something like orthos for 15-30 mins.

Another thing is your ambient temperature which may affect the core temp.....

This post has been edited by kmarc: May 19 2007, 07:20 PM

Folding do take the cpu usage to 100%, unless you messed up the settings.
However, i doubt the AS5 200hrs sink in gimmic.
I see not much improvement after more than 200hrs, and i already finished my AS5 small tube (imagine how many times i already do internal cleaning over the years)
Nevertheless, AS5 is indeed better than the cheapo rm5 no branded ones. Juz that dont hope for wonders after 200hrs.

I fold with SMP client. it does goes to 100% constant

Hehe....I actually set the 2nd single-core client to 80% CPU usage. Pai se, pai se....

Ya, I don't believe the 200 hours either, but who knows better than the Arctic company themselves. Probably need 1 or 2 days for the break-in.....