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karwaidotnet
post May 11 2007, 07:33 AM

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QUOTE(xandman @ May 11 2007, 06:48 AM)
will do...once i get it to turn out just right!
hehehe...
btw...
if let's say the exposure bar is to the right...means underexposure...how can i counter the problem?
and also what if it is overexposure? how can i counter it?
thanks!
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underexposure
- lower shutter speed, i.e. from 1/1000 change to 1/500
- increase aperture size, i.e. from f5.6 change to f3.5
- increase flash power, i.e. from -1EV to 0EV
- increase ISO, i.e. from ISO200 change to ISO400

overexposure
- increase shutter speed
- lower aperture size
- decrease flash power
- decrease ISO

maybe u should also try to understand more of how the camera work...
or have u try reading the Instruction Manual before that comes together wif the camera?

*btw...just my 2cents - refering to ur soon-2-get-gear. 70-300mm and 18-200mm are two lens wif half of the range overlapping, i.e. 70-200mm
why dun u instead replace 18-200mm wif a 18-70mm range lens instead?
also instead of eyeing for the VR, a lens wif large aperture such as f/2.8 would provide u wif a better bokeh on the photos...

if money is no matter to u, of coz i would suggest the following Nikon lens:
- 70-200mm VR f/2.8
- 28-70mm f/2.8

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post May 11 2007, 10:01 PM

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gahh... shocking.gif

guys,
EV means Exposure Value.

facts:
- CCD/CMOS receives light from the subject to produce the photo.
- no enough light receives will leads to underexpose photo,
- too much light receives will leads to overexpose photo.

as i mentioned previously to xandman,
shutter speed, aperture, ISO, flash affects the exposure of the photo.
(the four factors which u can control on the camera. other factors would include external factors such as reflector, the sun, the moon, softbox, and other external source of light)

thus, changing your EV value WILL surely change:
- shutter speed when u're using A (aperture) priority.
- aperture size when u're using S (shutter) priority
- ISO range when u set your ISO mode at Auto.
- flash when u change the flash EV manually (if u notice, ur camera would have two EV value. one for the camera sensor, CCD/CMOS, another one for the built-in/attached flash).
* the only time ur shutter speed and aperture size does not change as of when u change the EV value is when u use the M (Manual) mode.
** ISO value will not change when u selected the required value at your camera menu settings, i.e. set to ISO200 and it will stay that way permanently till u change it again.

if just changing the EV wont affect the shutter speed / aperture / ISO, why we still need VR???

do i need to explain why u guys need VR? or IS? or AS? or any other brand camera technology that help reduce handshake... sweat.gif

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post May 13 2007, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(aichiban @ May 11 2007, 11:11 PM)
kinda defeat the purpose of +-EV adjustment in the cam if it adjust the other values when we can adjust the other values ourselves

unless its meant for manual mode users
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GAH...HAHAHAHA... doh.gif
sorry...i just had to laugh at such noob statement...

aichiban: EV adjustment is use to adjust or override what is being meter by ur camera in A/S mode. camera metering is just a device to measure. it does not "know" what exact exposure u really wan. so wif EV adjustment aka EV Compensation, u override the camera metering and snap the photo u wan wif the exposure u wan to achieve. get it? cool2.gif


Added on May 13, 2007, 8:41 pm
QUOTE(cjtune @ May 12 2007, 11:53 AM)
In high-contrast scenes, you must make the choice between either sacrificing the bright areas or the dark areas as you cannot fit the entire histogram within limits for any one exposure. If a still pic, you can take multiple shots of different exposures and assemble as a High Dynamic Range photo later.
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depends...

but it can be done wif ur flash...
external flash preferably...

look at this pic say for example.
user posted image
*ken: borrow ur photo for awhile ok...will remove it after few days later.. wink.gif

no HDR. the sky is brigther than the model and if u were to expose the sky, the model will be in total darkness...if u expose the model, the sky will be in pure white color.

but this photo shows both the foreground and background detail clearly.

why?

Flash.


Added on May 13, 2007, 8:48 pm
QUOTE(g88 @ May 12 2007, 03:47 AM)
never 100% trust your LCD. Use histogram
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at least someone here knows something about his camera... rclxms.gif

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post May 13 2007, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(aichiban @ May 13 2007, 09:37 PM)
oic
thanks for pointing it out
too used to M mode  sweat.gif
edit - thanks for the photo + explanations too
*
smile.gif glad that u understand...
sorry i hope i didnt offend u...
didnt mean too... notworthy.gif

cjtune: as i mentioned earlier on..."DEPENDS".

however, at reasonable range, it can be resolve.
for the photo i took as an example,
i believe wif couple of reflectors, few more flashs, preferably softbox...perhaps,
should solve those harsh shadows problem...

*IMHO, i can already see the flower is shot wif some use of external light as there's highlight at few spots of the flower, the shadow is at the wrong place and the light looks kinda...doesn't seems like from the sun.

the use of a reflector is a better alternative here...as it would be more diffuse and the light bounce back to the flower is still from the sun itself. thus making it more natural.

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post May 14 2007, 07:48 AM

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QUOTE(xandman @ May 14 2007, 06:09 AM)
cjtune....
thanks for the explanation..
juz one more thing for me to clear up my confusion...
lets take a scenario for example...
i m shooting a subject with a bright backgroud...therefore the subject will be dark rite?
so in this condition...if i want the subject to be visible...where shud i meter? subject or background?
thanks thanks thanks...
i really appreciate it for those who r willing to help me!
=)
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from this statement i think u still not fully understand what cjtune has explanined...
if u cant understand the word metering, let's make it to become another word - MEASUREMENT.

if u wan to measure the whole frame then let the camera average out the exposure - u use matrix.

if u wan to measure just the center of the frame, u use center-weighted.

if u wan to measure a specific dot on the frame, u use spot / partial.

so if u wan to measure a subject against a bright background, first determine what u wan to measure?
if u wan the subject to be fully expose, ignoring the background, the use 'something' to measure that subject.

what is this something? can u answer this now?

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post May 14 2007, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(nairud @ May 14 2007, 08:34 AM)
Centre Weighted measures from the centre and averages out to the whole frame. It is not "whatever inside that zone"

edit: typo
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OK...but i dont think the word "averages" sounds correct.

Quoted from the D70 Manual:
QUOTE
Camera meters entire frame but assigns greatest weight to area in center of frame 8mm (0.31") in diameter, shown by corresponding 8-mm reference cicrcle in viewfinder.

average is like measuring every part equally.
but here it is actually like it'll put more emphasis or more biased towards the center.


Added on May 14, 2007, 8:56 pm
QUOTE(xandman @ May 14 2007, 10:37 AM)
'something' is to spot meter on the subject...is this true?
=)...

*i have many tutors...thank u all*
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for me - its true.
u have PASS on the basic of camera metering. thumbup.gif

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post May 14 2007, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(xandman @ May 14 2007, 09:13 PM)
karwaidotnet...
thx for being patient in teaching this total noob!
i m happy!
at least ive learned something!
i know what a spot meter does...=)...
i m waiting for the moment to try it out!
thanks again all...!!!
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cannot try it out now mehh??? dry.gif
just take something at ur house - a book, a figurine, ur cat, ur brother, ur sister and try take a photo of them/it lahh...
karwaidotnet
post May 15 2007, 12:43 AM

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wcling,
i have asked them to read the manual...
but i guess the manual kinda scared them away from it... whistling.gif
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post May 15 2007, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(xandman @ May 15 2007, 07:58 PM)
guys...
now ive finally got the hang of spot metering...
thanks to u all...
but now i have one more prob...
i juz realized that sometimes the EV meter on my d40...doesnt show up...and it shows LO in the aperture...btw i m shooting using S mode...
is this normal?
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yes. u may also sometimes get HI laugh.gif

LO - means the current setting u've config wont even let ur camera able to see a thing
HI - too bright lohh...

a very easy way to get LO, startup ur camera, but let ur lens cap on. rolleyes.gif

again this is only applicable for P/A/S...
but not for M.

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