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post Sep 20 2018, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(mbr @ Sep 16 2018, 10:50 PM)
Just wait for the deals for GTX 1070 Ti (below rm1600) or GTX1080 (below rm2000), hopefully in the next 2-3 months. But don't wait too long in case no more new stock. We have a bunch of people that had been waiting since before Pascal to upgrade, due to inflated prices thanks to cryptomining with GPU.

As for ex mining cards... I would consider them worth the investment only if

A) no OC, prefer undervoltage
B) less than 2 years old, with receipt available for warranty claim
C) Priced less than half of a new card.
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How to check the card was being mining before.
As I know , there is no way to check and only by seller telling.
QUOTE(mbr @ Sep 16 2018, 11:39 PM)
Just the other day, Zotac 1070Ti mini was on promo for rm1699, probably to clear old stock without sst. Look out for deals la. It will come down eventually.
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when was the promotion happen ?
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post Sep 20 2018, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Sep 20 2018, 09:30 PM)
If i recall correctly, they demode Realtime Ray tracing only at 1080p at ~30fps, DLSS +RT at 4K60FPS is a pipe dream bro, at current state.
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Yeh , just a simple assumption.If DLSS was really helpful and hopefully helpful for 4k 30fps ?.Nothing the less, not even games of benchmark can actually confirm since no RT , driver not polish yet and etc.
QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Sep 20 2018, 11:04 PM)
AT claims etc.. is with raytracing + DLSS doubled.. afaik

actually the issue with DLSS..

1. TAA has almost zero impact in performance
2. So the question is is the resolution being upscaled cleaned up etc.... example we set 4k.. set dlss..
so we are actually gaming 1080p or 1440p.. but its upscaled to 4k.. with some texture tech??

.. i dont ever remember TAA having any significant impact in games.
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I don't know about AT but what they mention as if DLSS is future needless of AA gaming for 4k.But I doubt it will run well together with RT. At most 30fps for 4k?
DLSS is actually between non AA performance with Image quality below AA.


Other question aside , btw , someone ask me if getting a PI version or import version of 2080 which is cheaper by RM800.Will it still cover the warranty here ? such as EVGA.
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post Sep 21 2018, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Sep 21 2018, 01:26 AM)
evga rma via taiwan. so no prob
strix was disappointing. msi trio seems to be the best atm.

looking for a version that has enough juice and got waterblock to keep it at 2100mhz

really hoping for asus to step up their game with poseidon
or might wait for msi ekwb series.
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Will tell him about the rma warranty.

QUOTE(mbr @ Sep 21 2018, 08:19 AM)
Ask the right questions. Often they will tell you how they use the cards, including gpu settings while mining. The pics of card their PC rig would also be a favourable clue that it is there for gaming mainly and not as part of a mining farm, but can be borrowed image from elsewhere.  Also other tell-tale signs, but too many to explain here and not 100% foolproof. You just have to ask enough questions to satisfy yourself that the card is not over stressed, and still have warranty as backup.
Someone shared it in Lowyat around end of Aug, maybe to clear stock before SST. I managed to get one.

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From lelong , seller also sold here but I wonder did the seller make a price mistake again in lelong ? There is no way the price is that cheap even on promotion.
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post Sep 21 2018, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Sep 21 2018, 09:29 AM)
Not sure if possible to snatch a 1080 TI for around 2k haha. Then I can sell my 1060 around 900 laugh.gif
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Why not , but if you have friends helping to get a PI version from oversea , I think it's possible.
If you are going to buy online , newegg would be the best price.
QUOTE(mbr @ Sep 21 2018, 08:19 AM)
Ask the right questions. Often they will tell you how they use the cards, including gpu settings while mining. The pics of card their PC rig would also be a favourable clue that it is there for gaming mainly and not as part of a mining farm, but can be borrowed image from elsewhere.  Also other tell-tale signs, but too many to explain here and not 100% foolproof. You just have to ask enough questions to satisfy yourself that the card is not over stressed, and still have warranty as backup.
Someone shared it in Lowyat around end of Aug, maybe to clear stock before SST. I managed to get one.

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As for rtx , even overclock 2080 ti with current hash difficulty mining is no possible and not profitable.Mining era is gone , now all GPU is stable price.http://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-and-rtx-2080-benchmark-review_207896/15

It's still risky to get 1000 series 2nd.
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post Sep 21 2018, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(silrave @ Sep 21 2018, 04:00 PM)
just pull trigger order 2080 T T
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What GC you are using now ? if you are on 4k then it's fine upgrade.Since it's installment CC i assume , then it'd be fine if your card is only for GC.Every month extra 400 installment.
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post Sep 22 2018, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(silrave @ Sep 21 2018, 09:38 PM)
R250X lol
i pay 1 shot
i think tomorrow may be can get it
i get 3 fans
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That is a big upgrade.You buy directly from which shop ? Do drop some review and picture if you got them. smile.gif
QUOTE(mbr @ Sep 21 2018, 09:26 PM)
Agreed, but sometimes the risk is worth taking, provided you are comfortable with it. If GTX 1080Ti used for mining only 6 months by someone you know and you know the card condition still good and offer price of below RM2k, for example...
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Yeh , if seller is honest to tell.
QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Sep 22 2018, 11:19 AM)
SSjben

more interesting vids


saw a video comparison of 2080ti vs 1080ti@4k

no idea whats the first test
fc primal 2x
tomb raider 20-30 %
forthnight 2x
ac something just few fps more

whats interesting about these is.. want to see more vids on testing of the new mesh pipeline.
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I don't see much different , If the video is in 4k , maybe can spot some difference.
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post Oct 6 2018, 01:30 AM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Oct 4 2018, 09:40 PM)
quantum break on 4k?? lol gpu will die trying

btw da vid above is in 1440p@60
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Nvlink biggrin.gif ?

So , anything about Final Fantasy DLSS ? saw some said is 95% faster vs TAA.

QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 5 2018, 10:37 PM)
No idea also, I thought Shadow of Tomb Raider is available - not updated to Ray Tracing enabled yet ah?
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Not even one game got Ray Tracing.Maybe in future but hope for most game adapt DLSS
QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 6 2018, 12:09 AM)
Not even kan cheong to get any RTX to my lab. LOL.

Felt like a huge waste of time to test it only for FPS then they key feature are the RTX technologies.

I got a feeling some units will eventually come over even before games have the features properly enabled.
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2080 ti Ray Tracing on 60fps must be 1080p.If 4k , get ready either reduce performance or custom mod.

I think right now , It is more suitable for interior design software for Ray Tracing improving the processing time.
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post Oct 6 2018, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Oct 6 2018, 08:09 AM)
terradrive
just show u how dumb GN and Linus and Jay2C is

user posted image

no shunt mod.. stock on mine
gpu test one thermalthrottle to 2010-1995
gpu test 2 thermalthrottle /powerlimit throttle to 1920

i am only 500 points difference with his volt modded overclocked to 2200 with double powerlimit.

thats what i meant their windows not optimized.
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Don't know about those above but I did remember people above you mention on youtube said they are not actually extreme pro on overclock volt.
They are just doing some extra test bench , he need someone expert on OC to do the bench example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vri6IbT0Ew
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Still , if you can manage to get latest hardware + LC solution surely the score is yours.You just use a simple MSI card for volt mod.
If there is a new OC card from Asus + non-reference surely the score will be different.
You are using 25.21.14.1616 driver ?

QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 6 2018, 09:45 AM)
Recently saw people saying Windows 10 got update for RTX stuff, I thought that's the one they're waiting for. LOL.

Good technology but to me it's so "out of place" that I didn't even bother to follow the news.
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Even windows 10 haven't fully implement directx12 RT.There will be updates coming for windows 10 this month but still native.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Windows-10-Oc...t.336862.0.html
Maybe some hope on AMD as well as we can force Ray Tracing Mod on nvidia/amd driver on some games when MS update them.

2080ti is just an 30% upgrade from 1080ti right now.It's just DLSS which we all are hoping for better performance.
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post Oct 13 2018, 08:45 PM

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Just wanted to ask , if next year treade war happen , will gpu price decrease or increase ?
Read there are some mix results, some will decrease because they will better sell out more on asia country than shipping to us where taxes is highest among all.

How about gpu ?
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post Oct 13 2018, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(mbr @ Oct 13 2018, 09:14 PM)
Trade war between China and USA?

Some say due to such tariffs on China import, China will simply export to SEA countries then forward it to USA as if coming from Malaysia, etc. But who knows...
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yeh , China and USA saw on https://www.gamersnexus.net/industry/3368-m...ct-to-pc-prices , price still not sure but surely some distro here knows the up coming batch will have price drop or increase.
Some said will sell less at US so more supply to SEA , price will be lower while some will follow the price of the tariffs on US like Intel and etc.
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post Oct 14 2018, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(Someonesim @ Oct 13 2018, 10:59 PM)
There's theory that it will benefit SEA, as company shift their production from China to SEA.
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But they will not shift as easy as we though , they would rather sustain the loss until some result of negotiation or election hoping the tariffs remove.
I just price will remain the same.Any 10% increase is equal to 30% price hike in our country sad.gif
QUOTE(dexth @ Oct 14 2018, 12:02 AM)
Just received Zotac RTX 2080ti AMP. Some pictures and preliminary bench result.
Tested on secondary PC with brely OC i7 6700K (4.2Ghz). Will test main PC with i7 8700K (4.8Ghz) later. Gfx score seems ok but only hovering around 1900Mhz.
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What a size , looks like your 1080ti fans are clean like new ,use once and just for benching ?
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post Oct 16 2018, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(dexth @ Oct 14 2018, 10:55 PM)
1080ti is daily usage for the past 1.5 years. I was also surprised with the condition without dust. Even my hdd collects more surface dust 😁
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It conclude your place is clean and free of dust.Maybe your HD what filter all the dust before reaching you GC biggrin.gif.
QUOTE(cyrobytes @ Oct 15 2018, 04:54 PM)
RTX 2070 performance leak

Hardocp
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RTX 2070 is able to replace GTX 1080 with the performance if test is real
QUOTE(SSJBen @ Oct 15 2018, 05:19 PM)
It's not a leak since they didn't sign any NDA. But expected the 2070 to beat the 1080 anyways - but the price difference between a used 1080 and a new 2070 is still simply too big of a gap.
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I predict 2070 price = GTX 1080ti when reach malaysia next month.
QUOTE(Rei7 @ Oct 15 2018, 07:52 PM)
Well if you plan to use TV as display monitor for your desktop, have to be low input lag, baru alright. I can't find anything on that model. But there is a list of good one's https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag

If not low input, really bad for gaming on PC. I've an old HDTV that I tried, terrible  laugh.gif
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Except FPS game , other games would be fine a bit with lag.FF15 is fine with a bit of lag but depends how many ms lag.
QUOTE(Someonesim @ Oct 15 2018, 08:17 PM)
Hmm sounds like good deal, l1070 ti amp extreme selling 2229 in lelong, that's RM330 off hmm.gif
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I was hoping zotac will have price drop on every card.Comparing those 6pin free 1050ti vs 1070ti is like 200% but price is much more expensive RM700-800 vs 1070ti rm 1780.
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post Oct 16 2018, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(arslow @ Oct 16 2018, 07:22 PM)
9900k? Or some skylake x refresh cpu?
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Should jsut get a 8086k single thread is much faster even lesser core.You don't need 8 cores to run games for this coming 3 years , i guess.
QUOTE(hpares @ Oct 16 2018, 08:15 PM)
Rtx 2070 is out at lazada, with pricetag rm 2699 cheapest lol. Zotac 2070 amp.... Guess i just buy the zotac 1070 ti...
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I can't search, lazada really got problem searching using lazada search function.Can't find at shopee either.
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post Oct 17 2018, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(hpares @ Oct 16 2018, 09:10 PM)
https://www.lazada.com.my/nvidia-geforce-of...&price=-&q=2070

Guess i only can enjoy real life raytracing...
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Totally forgot laz have official nvidia store.Still the we all know nvidia store is much expensive than it should sold from other shop.
Guess the price would be cheaper when release if possible before 11.11.
QUOTE(Ronin_Amin @ Oct 16 2018, 10:48 PM)
Guys, the zotac 1070ti has any problems? Are their warranty good compared to other brands?  I am guessing it's better to get the amp extreme rather than the normal one?
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Message the seller whether it's import version or not .Some are import from oversea and check whether it's new.Some are refurbish from mining.
QUOTE(ReverseDark @ Oct 17 2018, 09:09 AM)
Wasted 2 days tweaking ffxv wondering why 2080 perform so bad because of endless stuttering hitching and random crashes only found out game is having problem since October :facepalm:
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It consider a high improvement , try FF13 , you'll be surprise maybe even 2080ti run with framerate drop. biggrin.gif
So which area does it crash , try disable FF15 Hairworks.This setting even 1080 will have problem too.
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Oct 17 2018, 10:07 AM)
Lol... imagine the price of a xx70 card > can already get a pre-owned GTX 1080 or add a bit more a new GTX 1080

Cheapest RTX 2070: RM2559
Cheapest RTX 2080: RM3599
Cheapest RTX 2080 Ti: RM5399

I am not against the RTX cards but really can't pull the trigger on tech that have yet to take off. You're basically paying premium for RTX/DLSS but with GTX 1080/1080 Ti performance for RTX 2070/2080 respectively. Of course the 2080 Ti is a class of its own with an exorbitant price tag to match.

So far I've seen JayzTwoCents, Hardware Unboxed and GamerNexus (by far the most comprehensive) and its the same sentiment across  biggrin.gif

Not sure how Ray Tracing will perform on RTX 2070... I heard the game "Control" by Remedy ran at 60fps at 1080p with RTX on a 2080 Ti  blink.gif

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-rtx-9-2-ms-remedy-northlight/

So either go full in RTX 2080 Ti or wait for 30-series is my advice la else grab a 10-series GPU for a lot lesser... haha

Me... I'm waiting patiently for the arrival of my 4K display to pair with my 1080 Ti.
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Wait for price drop? biggrin.gif , just stick with 1080ti until your list of DLSS game support or RT support.Having 1080ti is more than enough.
QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Oct 17 2018, 10:44 AM)
RTX 2070 looks pretty tempting to me though, currently using a 1050ti. Intending to use for 2k gaming
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Get a 4k monitor first suppose.And slowly upgrade, wait for 2050ti or 2060.Price right now is expensive.
QUOTE(BotakPrince @ Oct 17 2018, 10:48 AM)
Just wondering, is a 8700k or a 8086k gonna bottleneck the 2080ti?

On 1080p and 1440p respectively.
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Depends on game you wanted to play and setting you wanted to try.
If dota 2 , normal mid end would be enough.

QUOTE(SSJBen @ Oct 17 2018, 03:39 PM)
1080p absolutely if you play at high refresh rates. No CPU in the world now does not bottleneck a 2080Ti at 1080p if pushing for 144hz. If it's just for 60hz, then just why? A 1060 6GB will also provide you 60fps for 4x less money.

1440p, less so but there is still a bottleneck but not significant.

Also, people forget about frametime fluidity and just focus on average FPS. The bigger the bottleneck, the more erratic the frametime is - with lots of spikes, juddering and inconsistent input latency. I'm surprised that we're nearly in 2019 and people still haven't figured out that average FPS means jackshit to how well and smooth a game runs.

There are ways to deal with bottleneck if playing at a lower resolution - like brute forcing the game to run at a higher internal resolution (DSR basically). Unfortunately not all games works well with DSR, it's unbelievable that there are games in 2018 that STILL do not have UI scaling at high resolutions. Then drivers can also screw up DSR (driver 411.63 - 411.70) by introducing a black screen bug and the only way to fix it is a hard reset.
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Marketing ? , DLC pack with UI upscale or remake and new graphic card to fix the bug ?
High end GPU & CPU needed for smooth FPS game but other games , you don't notice much and even notice , it would affect much.It's not like you are competing with someone else.Taken FF15 as example.



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post Oct 23 2018, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Oct 23 2018, 09:11 AM)
1050ti isn’t the real budget king

the real one is gtx1060 6GB after launch. My friend bought brand new for less than 1k short time after launch that’s a steal
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How do you possible to buy at below 1k for 6GB ? 3GB ?
QUOTE(terradrive @ Oct 23 2018, 10:02 AM)
it was really 6GB

my friend bragged about it to me lol
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GPUZ + receipt ? or he went to laz and buy with voucher code ? kaw , fireworks or glitch ?
QUOTE(mbr @ Oct 22 2018, 03:49 PM)
Despite dreaming of the latest and the greatest, remember that many more gamers are hoping for improvements at the RM 500-800, mainstream budget. Only when you come to lowyat then you feel like RM 1100-1900 is the normal price range for GPUs... basically the "enthusiast" budget level.

When will we see the next budget king like GTX550 Ti and GTX1050 Ti?
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gtx550 ti was budget gaming at that time and even able to run crysis at 30fps at high (not very high) on full HD.
but because of our currency of 4.2 vs USD , most Distro lock to 4.5 price.
Adding up crypto mining = jump until RM 800 for just 1050ti where you can get at USD 120 or below RM500.

If our currency still at 3.3.-3.5 and no mining the card just cost RM400-RM450
QUOTE(mbr @ Oct 23 2018, 09:33 AM)
The one less than 1k was the 3GB version, as I recall. I got my 1050Ti at around RM 650 also. Less than RM800 and can handle 1080p beautifully... I think that is the sweet spot there. Many reviewers call it "best bang for your buck".
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Now 1050 ti cost even higher than you bought , RM 700-RM800 range. Cheapest are those galax card still need RM 680.
QUOTE(mbr @ Oct 23 2018, 10:05 AM)
Probably... Prices here in East Malaysia would be higher. Anyway, that promo window was VERY small and soon the crypto fever took over... but GTX1050 and 1050Ti were largely unaffected. Prices for 1050Ti hovered around RM 750-850, while the GTX1060 6GB went up over RM1500
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Still waiting for HTPC for them , but I doubt next year there are 2050ti or something with the price range.Maybe those mid end would even cost 1k on launch, you know distro at malaysia.

Just hope 11.11 having cheaper promotion.
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QUOTE(mbr @ Oct 23 2018, 10:21 PM)
I know, right? When they were first launched, Zotac had promo for gt1030 till gtx1060. Then the fire nation atta... I mean, crypto currency came along.

For HTPC, you dont really need gpu for some setup, eg AMD 2400G, unless you need to push 60+ fps movies on 4k or something like that.
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? I though 1030 launch during crypto timeline ? since when zotac have promo during crypto until gtx1060 6GB below 1k ?
Sorry ,really forgot.
QUOTE(craxors @ Oct 23 2018, 11:04 PM)
Damn u lord oz.... i mean farmers.... tongue.gif

My ex manager bought 80 unit rx480.. imagine that.. hahaha..
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It's just one shot , but how much is the price when he bought ?
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post Oct 29 2018, 10:08 PM

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Which GPU having high rma problem ? I read a lot of palit brand ?
Palit = PNY , Galax or Galaxy ?

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Oct 30 2018, 06:46 AM)
haha get zotac then laugh.gif rclxms.gif RMA almost zero
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hmm.gif , Palit is 10% cheaper compare to zotacbut zotac have 5 years warranty.

QUOTE(craxors @ Oct 30 2018, 08:11 AM)
almost. but not zero.

send few units already.  laugh.gif
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Did you push your card OC to the max and rma biggrin.gif.

Question here is whether Palit is worth for esport gaming , non OC or basic dota or HTPC.

Still deciding , hopefully 11.11 no price hike.
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QUOTE(craxors @ Oct 30 2018, 08:58 PM)
nope.
use stock clock... its already way higher than others FOC card.

but things happen... lol.

btw zotac rma is  thumbup.gif . no receipt nor sn also can rma...  biggrin.gif
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No need receipt ? maybe they know those new GC is surely cover with warranty.Which GC you rma ?
Wanted to get a htpc 1050 or it verion but the price is still at the rm700.Looks still expensive even 2years old card.Going to be 3 years soon.

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