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edmund_yung
post Nov 19 2020, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(sakuraboo @ Nov 19 2020, 01:16 PM)
yea i love noctuas for their fluid dynamic bearings.. in noctuas all you hear is wind turbulence noise, but some other fans you hear fan whirring noise which is kinda irritating when it hits a certain musical note.
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I heard the cheap Arctic P12 PWN give the very expensive NF-A12X25 a run for their money. I'm also currently running all Noctua fans built, but will be interested to cheaper alternatives.
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post Nov 19 2020, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(jbcoder @ Nov 19 2020, 04:37 PM)
Hey i just got a Galax gtx 1650 super ex 1 click oc twin fan.

All the monitoring apps, hwinfo, hwmonitor, gpu-z showing the fan RPM as 0.

It's listed as 40 percent and I can clearly see both fans spinning.

I used the xtreme tuner app and I am able to manually set fan speed to 100 percent but it seems the fan 1 setting in the app controls BOTH the fan speed, not independently.

The Fan2 setting doesn't do anything.

I can set fan curves and the fan speed percentage is correct.

Just that the RPM is always 0 in other apps, and there's no RPM indicator for their xtreme tuner app.

Does this mean this cheapest gtx 1650S doesn't use PWM fans and instead hook both twin fans to the same port ?
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Here's my guess:
1. Yes both fan controlled together, same all the GPU I've encountered so far, and the slider will control both fan. I'm not sure whether that's via PWM or voltage.
2. Fan2 may be that extra fan port at the right end of the card (PCIE slot facing down), my Strix has it and I use it to control case fans.
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3. The "other" app may be reporting data from the Fan2 header, that's why it is always 0. Only the Asus app can read the external fan data.
4. I have no explanation why Galax choose the non-default fan header as the primary.

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post Nov 19 2020, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(jbcoder @ Nov 19 2020, 06:08 PM)
Ah I found something... No wonder no RPM... clearly with only red and black (2 wire) fans being used... there is no PWM and such, no RPM indicator is possible.
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I see, so meaning the slider control the fans but there's no fan speed data.
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post Nov 19 2020, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(jbcoder @ Nov 19 2020, 09:11 PM)
*lol* look at this zotac version.
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/zotac...r-review,1.html
Also 2 wire/pin fan connection, definitely no RPM sensor. Seems like certain AIBs are cheaping out on fan types for gtx  x50 series.
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I still gotta say, quite impressed with the 1650 super's performance, beating both 980Ti and 1060.
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post Nov 20 2020, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Nov 20 2020, 10:48 AM)
get it and you wont regret it. Infact they’re the best for noise and performance as rad fans...Your thermal will most likely improve by 2-3C and with much lower noise compared to stock aio fans. If you think they’re pricey, can consider the artic p12 which will have slightly higher temps due to lower rpm or the gentle typhoons which performs almost 98% the same but are hard to find.

Im grabbing it if the chromax version comes out next year to replace my old gentle typhoons... because i dont like the poop brown colour laugh.gif
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It won't be that much higher temp because AFAIK AIO users doesn't run their fan full speed. So it doesn't matter if the A12x25 can do 200rpm more than the Arctic P12 if the user is only going to run it at quiet 1000rpm or less.
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post Nov 22 2020, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(Melvin117 @ Nov 22 2020, 12:19 PM)
people want to spend money what to do  rolleyes.gif

all 3080s are the same from 3299 to 4699
more performance needs to wait until a 3080ti or just pay 2x for a 3090 now
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Not going to get the RM4700 or even the RM4000 RTX3080 unless the % extra spend will translate to % gain in performance. Even the RM4k cards aren't 15% faster right?
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post Nov 24 2020, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(faiz2036 @ Nov 24 2020, 12:01 PM)
So Hardware Accelerated GPU Scheduling (HAGS) not really good with Ubisoft game? maybe disable this setting can improve FPS for watch dog legion?
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It seem to perform differently with different hardware setup, and different games. It's interesting to see this much of all impact on the ACV benchmark for his setup, which I think is going to be a very typical setup for many enthusiast gamer out there once the supply normalised.
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post Dec 1 2020, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Dec 1 2020, 02:31 AM)
Thanks a lot for all the value input, I will check it out accordingly. If 12.12 got promotion, I may consider, else probably wait next year then. smile.gif

Maybe I will invest soundcard first, later on just move to bookshelf speaker.
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Selling it because upgrades to Airpulse speakers, like xxboxx suggested and it has a good enough build in DAC. That’s mainly for music and some movie/TV.

Currently I’m playing Warzone with onboard Realtek ALC1220 because I need mic input. Also using 7.1 virtualization with HeSuVi+Equalizer APO which work well with Realtek. Contrary to what people said I find it quite good, can hear footsteps no problem. Also using front panel jack.

Your Aorus X570 is also using Realtek ALC1220, I suggest give it a try instead of running optical.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 1 2020, 04:11 PM)
Still discussing about audio in a GPU thread? Come on guys.

Just get a JDS Labs Element 2 and call it a day. You don't need anything better nor do you want anything worse. For speakers and headphones, it's simply too long and complicated to discuss on this thread.

Let's get back to nvidia, shall we?
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Still got alternative for that price, nope.

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post Dec 2 2020, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(hirota @ Dec 2 2020, 03:50 PM)
tuf 3080 selling at msrp?

im still putting hope on tuf3080 non oc at msrp.... lol
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I feel they only sell one batch as a cheap launch publicity, no pun intended. So they look good across the chart in reviews... best speed, OC, cooling, price which is never made anymore.
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post Dec 3 2020, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Dec 3 2020, 04:45 PM)
The usual fail pricing from Asus Malaysia. Avoid it.
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Exactly

Zotac 3060 Ti Twin Edge OC
USD $460
RM 1999

Asus 3060 Ti Dual
USD $430
RM2299

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post Dec 4 2020, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Dec 3 2020, 11:02 PM)
yeah. it’s an ITX and only has 1 slot.
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May I know what make and model is your mobo? My Asus X470 ITX and even on the B450 PCIE will only drop to x8 if I use the 2nd M.2 at the back of the motherboard. On the 1080Ti, there isn't much difference in performance. Pls let me know I don't want to buy the wrong motherboard in the future.
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post Dec 4 2020, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Dec 4 2020, 12:25 AM)
MSI B450i apparently this board has 2xm.2 slot as well but one of it is used by a wifi adapter. So it’s unclear whether this is running off the chipset or off the cpu. cant find any info about this.

only way to know is cloning the m.2 ssd to a 2.5sata and take it out to test.
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That's odd because it isn't supposed to do that at least from the spec sheet. Maybe something to so with riser and PCIE 4.0 and stuff. Do let me know if you manage to solve it! I do plane to use B450 or X470 with 3080 on future upgrade.

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Dec 4 2020, 12:37 AM)
some mobo allows 1 nvme m.2 and 1 sata m.2 so that won't eat up gpu pcie lane

else why there is difference between mainstream and HEDT
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For my board, I can't use the SATA on the 2nd M.2, only PCIE SSD. So if I utilise it, my GPU is stuck with x8 lane. Totally fine for older GPU.
The newer Strix B550i with dual M.2 slot doesn't seem to have this limitation, there's no need to go HEDT for ITX with just one PCIE x16 slot.

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post Dec 4 2020, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Dec 4 2020, 01:01 AM)
yes, because most M2_2 is sharing with gpu pcie lanes, so no matter your M2_1 is pcie or sata, M2_2 forever sharing with gpu pcie lanes so M2_2 limited to use pcie m.2 ssd
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QUOTE(nrw @ Dec 4 2020, 10:21 AM)
mate... for b450 wifi is usually running off the 6pcie2 lanes. for itx board without pcie slots they'll most certainly be running the m2_2 slot off the cpu lanes, just like the m2_1.
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The B450 Strix can do PCIE x16 no problem with m2_1 and wifi.
Since his MSI only has 1 m2, I'm confused why he can't get PCIE x16.

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post Dec 4 2020, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Dec 4 2020, 10:43 AM)
Sekian my findings... means i have to disable the onboard wireless devices huhu if i wanna continue using my m.2
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QUOTE(nrw @ Dec 4 2020, 10:45 AM)
they are cheeky to not put the wifi in the blcok diagram or mention what happens if you use m2_2 & m2_1 but it's really quite obvious where the m_2 slots will be connected to.
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I see. So only using ONE m2 and onboard WiFi, the PCIE will drop to x8 on B450 board, whichever manufacture.
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Looking at this diagram, I don't think for Asus B450 ITX Strix the WiFi share the m2_2.
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I think that's only for MSI board. Looks like I'll have to settle with Asrock or Gigabyte B450 ITX. I know their VRM sucks, I'm just going to use a 8-core at most.
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QUOTE(nrw @ Dec 4 2020, 11:23 AM)
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Use only 1 M2 is fine. That's for using 2nd M2
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QUOTE(nrw @ Dec 4 2020, 11:31 AM)
we're talking past each other.
his board got two m.2 slots with one being used for wifi.
yours got 2 for 2280's.

but my mistake, I read over the wifi on the strix. so you're right on that.
(just noticed the strix is the only b450 itx board with two full sized m.2 slots)
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I see no wonder. Thanks for the explanation again.

QUOTE(diehard1979 @ Dec 4 2020, 11:38 AM)
So next year no more graphic card that in price range RM1000-RM1200?
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I'm sure there will be sub RM1k (<$200) taking the place of GTX 1650 Super, perhaps as fast as the RTX 2060 and GTX 1080 but with lower power consumption. This make thin & light gaming laptop quite exciting with that amount of power inside a small Razer 13".

QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Dec 4 2020, 12:06 PM)
X570 over b550 is primarily the additional bandwidth offered on x570 chipset .. however most if not all ITX board wouldn't have enough port to fully utilize the bandwidth..
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I think another reason for X570 on a ITX is MOAR USB ports!!!! Actually just 2 more lol Other than that you're mostly right.
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QUOTE(Melvin117 @ Dec 5 2020, 02:08 PM)
rm3.4k sweetspot card lmao, I remember my 970 and 1070 were like 1.5-1.7k  sweat.gif
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Today the 1.5-1.7k will be the 3060 Ti. After 4 years, we see 2.4x performance increase.

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QUOTE(thisisrazin @ Dec 6 2020, 10:25 PM)
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Car looks straight out of Playstation 1.
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Looks like the game gonna scale well for Apple M1 and iPad.

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