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Which tint has better value for money for heat rejection?
 
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TSRisingTide
post Mar 16 2018, 06:10 PM, updated 2y ago

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I've narrowed down my search for tints for my car down to 2 brands;
3M and Huper Optik are my preferred choices; however 3M is roughly 30% more expensive than Huper Optik, and has better heat rejection than Huper Optik; about 6-8% better;

My main preference is towards better heat rejection and lower performance degradation over time;
GPS and Smartag compatible;
JPJ approved;

3M Configuration:
Front Windshield: Crystalline 70
Front Side Door: Crystalline 50
Rear Side Door: Crystalline 50
Rear Windshield: Crystalline 50

Huper Optik Configuration:
Front Windshield: Ceramic 70
Front Side Door: Ceramic 50
Rear Side Door: Ceramic 50
Rear Windshield: Ceramic 50

Which one do you think is more value for money in terms of heat rejection?
Would it be worth it to fork out and go all out for the 3M?
Or Huper Optik would be sufficient enough?

Or.. any sifu here could recommend a different brand with comparable performance and at a much lower price?

TSRisingTide
post Mar 16 2018, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(ceras @ Mar 16 2018, 06:20 PM)
Started with huper optik since 3  cars ago and have not looked back since. All my cars  now with ho , no regrets..
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How is your HO tint performance after 3 years?
Car is still cool under our hot malaysian weather?
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post Mar 16 2018, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(19 Degree South @ Mar 16 2018, 06:30 PM)
TS, why the need to start another thread  where there are plenty of them in this forum?
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I've already went through around the forum and narrowed down to 2 brands;
now I need is some personal opinions from owners who had tried those 2 brands smile.gif
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post Mar 16 2018, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(19 Degree South @ Mar 16 2018, 06:51 PM)
HO C 40 all round ! Better than my previous vkool V 40! But Vkool heat rejection more geng! Downside is I need to,wind down window to activate my autogate! As for value for money , some said vkool 40 now almost rm 4-5k is value for money ! I said its value but not for my money ! laugh.gif
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Nice! Sounds like HO works out well for you;
Mind sharing where and how much did you had your car tinted with HO? In KL? The Sungai Besi branch?

This post has been edited by RisingTide: Mar 16 2018, 07:23 PM
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post Mar 22 2018, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(kevin20916 @ Mar 22 2018, 10:18 PM)
Both tinted film brand I installed to my car before, one was installed on vios and another kia forte. crystalline in fact still reject heat better. I know a 3m films owner offered me good price and i am very satisfied with his workmanship also. If you need his contact, can pm me
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post Mar 23 2018, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(19 Degree South @ Mar 23 2018, 12:05 AM)
Nothing can beat the vkool v40 in heat rejection ! Crystalline is Infact only an entry level quality !
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I've got an old car with v-kool; came together when I got it; the tint is still damn good even after 10 years;
but... v-kool's pricing is waaaay above my budget.
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post Mar 26 2018, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Mar 25 2018, 04:59 PM)
Forgot to mention that the price range for the Huper Optik tint (5 years ago) was RM1,500 to RM1,600. I paid RM1,700 as I didn't go directly to the installer but went through the sales advisor whom I bought the new car from who took some commission from the tint installation.
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You're right; In fact I just got my car tinted yesterday, C70 front and C40 side/rear; I saw C50 and was surprised that it was quite lightly tinted; hence I went for the C40, which turned out to be a slight shade darker than C50 and quite hard to differentiate in normal conditions.

Although, I did notice that my front windscreen C70 does make my front view looked a bit hazy, like there is a slight oil smear on your glasses, it makes the entire view looked a bit foggy and hazy; did you experience this with your SECH60?
I tinted mine for RM1,800 flat; including removal, installation and GST; workmanship was top notch; just the slight hazy front view is quite irritating, planning to follow-up with the installer next weekend.
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post Mar 26 2018, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(wyshin88 @ Mar 26 2018, 09:16 AM)
May I know which branch did you do your installation?
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post Mar 26 2018, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(widget @ Mar 26 2018, 10:08 AM)
Sometimes the front hazy winsdcreen could be due to water bubble created during installation not completely dried up
Try park your car under the sun for a few days and see if the haze dissapears.
Mine took more than a week park under the hot sun to get the haze completely dissapears.
Do not try to press or remove this bubbles/haze with your fingers as they will tend to leave a mark on the tint.
Your installer should informed this to you
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Thanks for the tip! The haze is quite irritating especially under direct sunlight and at night; as the haze will diffuse and amplifies any incoming light, makes it much glaring compared to non-tinted glass. Fingers crossed that it will go away soon and I won't have to retint it.
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post Apr 1 2018, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(wyshin88 @ Apr 1 2018, 12:58 AM)
Huper Optik C70 Review:

I just installed HO C70 for my Front wind screen as the old one was removed when I replaced my windscreen. Previously using VKool Elite and all thensode windows are now still using VKool Elite that is already 7 years old. VKool Elite still good and reject heat very well, no discolouration what so ever.

As for HO C70, after 2 days of using and passing 8 toll plazas, initially for the few toll plaza the Smart Tag works, though a bit slowly, but after that it just stopped working under the C70 HO tint, battery life of my Smart Tag still good, so now I have to wind down window and hold up the Smart Tag to make it work. Was really surprised as the reason I opted for HO is for their Ceramic tint which say to work well with Smart Tag, but it’s not the case. Really inconvenient. Even the installer had slight doubt before installing, he told me errrr...HO has upgraded their tint and might not work well with Smart Tag. Too late now.

As for heat rejection, VKool definitely is better and the vision is also clearer compared to HO.

To whoever wanted to install HO C70 for FWS, take note and think twice.
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I have mine installed C70 front since last weekend and I haven't face any Smartag issue with mine. And I travel everyday from Klang to Kajang, pass through all sorts of tolls;
I drove like normal as long as the speed is under 25km/h, the toll would be able to capture your Smartag.

I may suspect 2 things,
1. Fake C70 installed. Does the installer provide to you a 5 year warranty certificate/receipt from Huper Optik?
2. Did the installer tint the black dotted areas around your rearview mirror? Normally they have a small cut out on that area to improve the Smartag reception.

How much did you tint your front windscreen?

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post Apr 2 2018, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(wyshin88 @ Apr 2 2018, 03:21 PM)
The installer did not tint the black dotted area where the rear view mirror is. I paid RM650 for FWS only (Honda Civic FD).
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For the time being, perhaps you could try aiming your smart tag around the black dotted area while going through Smart tag tolls;
I believe the untinted area would allow the smart tag frequency pass through.

I haven't had any smart tag issue with mine la; probably its a fake too, but the warranty certificate prove otherwise.

Most importantly is to have the 5 year warranty receipt from your installer.

QUOTE(wyshin88 @ Apr 2 2018, 03:21 PM)
Installer: The C70 has 92% IRR rejection, chances are my front wind screen also come with certain % of Irr blockage, hence blocking completely the Smart Tag signal. He suggest me to cut a hole in the front wind screen tint, I am still considering.

Huper Optik HQ: Requested me to bring my car to their HQ in Pandan Indah for product verification and run a few test to ensure the tint is genuine. 30 mins drive from my office, I will arrange accordingly.
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Good luck and all the best, hope everything turns out well for you.
Do update us; would like to hear what HO HQ says about your case.
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post Apr 3 2018, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Apr 2 2018, 04:56 PM)
How is your haze issue now?
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The haze is still there; apparently HO informed me that its the characteristics of C70; plus due to the steep windscreen of my Focus, this further "enhances" the haze effect;
However I learned to ignore it and overtime it doesn't bother me much; it just that there will always be a shade of blue colour on my windshield, as compared to a clear colourless vision of a non-tinted windshield.

QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Apr 3 2018, 07:46 AM)
Which Huper Optik combination are you on? With my vehicle, the Huper Optik tint is just mediocre in terms of heat rejection. Not exactly outstanding. Mine is Sech60 for front windscreen and C40 for all other windscreens (sides and rear). The V-Kool Elite tint on my previous car feels a lot cooler (better heat rejection) than the Huper Optik tint.

There are only two advantages with the Huper Optik tint which is the price (as it's considerably cheaper than V-Kool Elite) and GPS signal friendly. The Huper Optik is about RM1,000+/- cheaper than the V-kool tint. There are no issues with getting a GPS signal inside the car with Huper Optik whereas with the V-Kool Elite, 50% of the time I cannot get a GPS signal inside the car. To me this is the deal-breaker of the V-kool Elite despite its excellent heat rejection properties when compared to other competitors.
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My thoughts exactly; Huper Optik has much better value for money as compared to V-kool; plus I'm able to use Smart tag and obtain a GPS lock is a better trade-off than a slight better heat rejection of the V-kool.
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post Apr 4 2018, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 3 2018, 10:46 AM)
Crystaline 70 is not smarttag compliant

What I do is use the 3M security tint (top range) for all windows, use C70 for rear screen, and use something else (vkool) for front windscreen
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That would be the ideal case; 3M at the side and HO/V-kool on the front/rear (for Smart tag and GPS compatibility);
However, won't that combination cost a lot more than just tint all side under the same brand? How much did you got for your car?
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post Apr 5 2018, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(wyshin88 @ Apr 5 2018, 02:25 PM)
The haze effect...could it be due to your wind screen reflection of the top part of your dashboard?
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That is what I suspect at first as well; that the haze could be due to the sunlight reflecting off my dashboard; however I've tried covering my dashboard with a black cloth to reduce the reflection, the haze effect still remains; the HO installer and I concluded it was due to the blue-ish hue of the tint itself, made worst by my car's steep windshield.

QUOTE(viper1912 @ Apr 5 2018, 05:21 PM)
Front windscreen, I started off with Crystalline 70 , 60 now 50.

The rest of window from still Crystalline 60. For my own ride.

If I recommend to my fellow frens will be now either CR40/ CR50 for the rest of the windows front still stick to CR50.

Coz the front, CR50 really comfortable and is not dark at all if you use 3M tint for 50% as compare other brand.
The advantages with 3M is that the clarity of its film even driving during the night, crystal clear!
I have other rides tinted with 3M Color Stable 50 for front, rest Color Stable 35.

Another is Ceramic50 front windscreen, rest 3M HP50, rear color stable 35.

I have tried different combination of 3M film, so far Crystalline still the best for heat rejection, for dark color wise Color Stable, the dark is so beautiful especially use it on rear windscreen.

Hope it helps...
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Crystalline 50 at the front doesn't comply to JPJ standard; you might run into trouble during roadblocks; as it is quite easy to visually differentiate between VLT 70% and 50%.
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post Apr 10 2018, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Apr 10 2018, 05:13 PM)
FYI, just another price reference for Huper Optik: 1.9k using Sech 60 FWS and the rest is C40.

This is for a mid-size SUV.
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Not bad of a price, especially for SUV, and SECH60 has better heat rejection than C70;
Where did you get that price?
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post Apr 18 2018, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(wyshin88 @ Apr 18 2018, 11:42 AM)
For forumer sake, I need to update on my situation above.

After 1 week of usage on HO C70 tint which failed at Smart Tag lanes 90% of the time (even after changing to new Energizer batteries). I can't take it anymore and I returned to the installer, who is also as puzzled as me how come HO Ceramic Tint main selling point is for its Smart Tag/electronic friendly characteristic compared to metallic based tint such as VKool. To be fair, only Smart Tag signal was blocked, autogate/condo RFID boom gate/ Phone GPS all works fine.

I took out the HO tint after 1 week usage, though my heart ache like mad as the tint was done perfectly with good workmanship and I got use to the color hue, but had to take it out due to the inconveniences of having to wind down my car window every time I pass the toll. I went back to the installer and claim warranty, they took out the tint, and I top up money to install VKool Elite, as I don't want to take any more chances with HO tint anymore.

VKool works fine with Smart Tag now, but autogate/condo RFID signal got blocked. Well, there is no perfect world I guess. Still like the color hue of VKool, greenish, very pleasing to the eyes.
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Thanks for the update.
I remember you've mentioned that you've sent your car to HO's HQ for testing, what is the outcome of that test?

As for the Smartag, were you using the old one (which was quite big in size)?
Mine was the slim type Smartag which worked for me.
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post Apr 18 2018, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(wyshin88 @ Apr 18 2018, 02:13 PM)
I did not send my car to HO HQ which was far away from my office/home. But 2 days after I lodged the complaint to Huper Optik via FB private messaging, they responded and also called the installer, instructing the installer to re-install the tint with different roll, that's when I have decided not to take the risk on HO C70 again, and pay the price difference for VKool Elite.

My Smart Tag is the old type (big), I thought the old one has stronger signal? The installer told me the slim type can work, not sure if that's true.

You are using HO C70 as well?

Credit has to be given to Huper Optik HQ and the installer for listening/attending to the customer need/concern/complaints. I am sure HO is a good tint, but unfortunately it didn't work with my old Smart Tag.
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Yeah, im currently using C70 front;
My smart tag was the slim type which can be used in all toll's i've drove past.
I'm not sure about the signal strength between the old and new though; I believe majority of the HO users here are using the newer slim type.
Anyhow, I can confirm that the slim type can be used with my C70.

How much did you have to top-up for the VKool Elite?

 

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