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If Singapore & Malaysia go war, which country win?
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MilitaryMadness
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Mar 14 2018, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE(Kravo @ Mar 14 2018, 02:42 PM) Sg will win Look at history, tiongland so big yet lose to small japan Not only Japanese were in the Imperial Army. There were also Manchurian, Korean and Taiwanese soldiers. The Japanese also already had a foothold on the mainland with Manchuria as theri vassal kingdom and occupied by the Imperial Army. By that time china already suffered under multiple natural and man-made disasters and was already informally split into different autonomous sub-states governed by warlords and many of these states just ended a bloody civil war (The central plains War). This plus the open rebellion of the CPC means that there is no way,shape or form china could've resisted the Japanese. China's fragmentation during the Warlord era (1916-1937). The internationally-recognized Kuomintang government under Chiang Kai-Shek is, in reality, composed only of several regions around the capital, Nanking with independent warlords ruling their own fiefdoms in the interior regions.This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Mar 14 2018, 02:59 PM
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MilitaryMadness
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Mar 14 2018, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(Kravo @ Mar 14 2018, 03:08 PM) Tq 4 ur tldr history I too lazy to put in few more points, guess let /k figure it out 3 points related to tiongland: 1. Size doesn't matter 2. Patriotism, citizen unity 3. Military professionallism Honestly, I dunno deep about sinkapor, but do u think malusia has high patriotism to go through this zhit? When this happen, with $ I will go buy tickets leave this zhit hole, flying to dreamland fully exercising humanity rights to stay and life on that landWhat's stopping u to go rite now?
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MilitaryMadness
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Mar 14 2018, 03:23 PM
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Mar 14 2018, 03:22 PM) Bored with this topic di. Why asyik MY vs SG? Why not indon vs thai or pinoy vs viet or whatever instead? Kalau tak libatkan malaysia macamana diorg nak rendah2kan malaysia? tak best la camtu.
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MilitaryMadness
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Mar 14 2018, 03:43 PM
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One problem of having a conscript civilian army like Singapore is although you can mobilize a large number of trained soldiers in a short time, every military casualty means also the loss of a productive member of society.
This is generally not a problem with professional military forces.
This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Mar 14 2018, 03:46 PM
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MilitaryMadness
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Mar 14 2018, 04:40 PM
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Even the slightest rumors of conflict will make all foreign MNC's pack up and leave Singapore by the shipload, which will ruin Singapore's economy more than any actual shooting war will.
This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Mar 14 2018, 04:42 PM
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MilitaryMadness
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Mar 14 2018, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE(CRaider2 @ Mar 14 2018, 04:45 PM) You are right in a way but have not explained why would MY capture SG. What strategic objective to be achieved? Capture in a day? Have you seen urban warfare? How it bogs down troop movement? Give you an example, Battle of Ramadi, how long did it take to clear sector by sector. Too many simplistic assumption. Mass troop movement will not be detected? Maybe spec ops in SG to remove certain incriminating evidence related to IMDB more likely. I know it is pointless article but it sure is interesting to hear what others have in mind on IF it happens. It is what armchair generals relish. We can argue if war ever reaches Singapore soil, it's already too late. Singapore is practically finished. Whether an army is able to totally capture it or not is irrelevant, if you force it to fight on its own soil, it means Singapore will already come into a standstill, ceases to economically function and the dominoes will start to fall. Without international business, trade and an economy running it, what is left for Singapore? This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Mar 14 2018, 04:55 PM
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MilitaryMadness
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Mar 15 2018, 07:55 AM
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QUOTE(hardreality @ Mar 15 2018, 01:27 AM) No one would've thought Israel would win the 6-days war either. Nonsense. When the Israelis preemptively destroyed the Egyptian and Syrian air forces in the 6-day war, they were practically guaranteed to win the war with their air superiority. That's why the war only lasted 6 days.  You're probably thinking of the 1973 Yom Kippur war. Even that was more of a draw: Israel gained a military victory by defeating the allied arab armies, but lost politically as they had to return the Sinai peninsula ( a valuable buffer) to Egypt and lost control of the Suez canal. A popular saying about the peace treaty that ended the Yom Kippur war is: "(Anwar) Sadat got the Suez canal and a land huge in resources (the Sinai), while Prime Minister (Menachem) Begin only got a piece of paper." This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Mar 15 2018, 07:56 AM
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MilitaryMadness
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Mar 15 2018, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE(Virlution @ Mar 15 2018, 09:51 AM) lol Singapore got its own reservoir and treatment plant to treat sewage water. Whole marina bay is fresh water now. Malaysia buy treated water from Singapore and end up Johor clean no drinking water. SG have more reserve compare to Malaysia, and Malaysia will bankrupt itself first by doing 90% sale. Ships, trades and all will avoid the area if war anyway. If even got the smallest rumor of war/conflict, u think those MNCs and expats who drive Singapore's economy still want to stay there? Without those, what is Singapore even worth?
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MilitaryMadness
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Mar 15 2018, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE(hardreality @ Mar 15 2018, 11:05 AM) Even in the Yom Kippur attack, Israel, the underdog, still won. You injecting the "politically they lost" quip is like Sadat attacked Israel expecting to lose.  Of course Sadat didn't set out to lose, but in the end Israel didn't totally win either. Most commentators believe the real reason the war happened was for Egypt and Syria to try and reclaim the Sinai and the Golan heights respectively by invasion. Both know the 'Destroy Israel' platform was totally unrealistic by then. While neither did manage to militarily, the fact that Egypt got the Sinai back anyway via treaty was a pretty much a 'win' situation (just for Egypt though, Syria got nothing out of the war). Also, while many said if the superpowers didn't interfere Israel would've won much more, ironically the Israel threat of going nuclear when it looked like Israel was close to defeat earlier in the war was the very thing that caused the superpowers to interfere in the first place.
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