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Suprima vs Mark X vs Inspira, Suprima vs Mark X vs Inspira
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TSskrtskrt
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Mar 8 2018, 05:35 PM, updated 8y ago
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Hi sifus, been a lurker here for a while now but as I'm planning to get a car soon, thought i create an account and ask for advice. So as the title denotes, I'm looking for a used car to be daily driven. As of right now I have the Suprima, Inspira 2.0 and 2006/2007 Mark X in mind. The reason I've included the mark x is because I've heard it is remarkably reliable despite being an older car and I am looking for a car that can suit my driving style that is rather aggresive and heavily right footed. Need a car that can be a reliable daily driver as well as a good zippy one for the occasional spirited drives. I like the suprima but am abit worried about the maintenance as it is a turbocharged car although my friends tell me it handles great. The inspira looks nice for me, but as with the suprima has a cvt and I'm not sure how bad is the delay and whether or not the throttle response is weak in the lower gears( drove a nissan once, the cvt was awfully draggy and irresponsive below 80kmh) and in that sense I much prefer AT cars with the better power delivery. I know performance doesn't go hand in hand with reliability but I'm pretty much trying to find the best balance between the 2. So as I see it all of these options each have their respective pros and cons and wanted to get advice to choose between them or any other cars that I've missed out on that fit the bill. Thanks
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TSskrtskrt
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Mar 9 2018, 01:09 AM
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QUOTE(xeda @ Mar 8 2018, 09:11 PM) If you’re worried so much about the CVT, then get the 1.8mt inspira. Inspira has tons of potential, and is more than enough for your right footed ness or spirited driving. Nothing stopping you from throwing in a BOT on a 1.8mt inspira and get 200++ bhp easily. If still not enough, just plonk in an evo x or ralliart engine and have fun going around 300bhp. I see, haven't driven MT for awhile now. Perhaps I'll go test drive one and see if I still got it.
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Mar 9 2018, 01:10 AM
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QUOTE(androidj7 @ Mar 8 2018, 06:01 PM) For me MarkX》suprima》maibi》insipira Thanks for the reply. Any reason why markx is on top of your list?
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Mar 9 2018, 01:15 AM
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QUOTE(lowpro @ Mar 8 2018, 05:58 PM) Inspira or Lancer, their CVT leaves a lot to be desired. Seriously. It's the INVECS that is not that quick and maybe a generation or two back compared to the CVT in cars today. I see, is it better in the suprima? And if I use the shift paddles will it be any different?
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Mar 9 2018, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE(Pip_X @ Mar 9 2018, 08:13 AM) - good zippy one for the occasional spirited drives - automatic transmission Pick only one. Hmm okay so I'm guessing you're suggesting the 1.8 mt INSPIRA ?
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Mar 9 2018, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE(theanswer @ Mar 9 2018, 08:52 AM) mark x is a class (maybe 2) above inspira or suprima even tho it's an old car. everything is superior from suprima or inspira. if money and maintenance is not an issue..i'd go for mark x (bcause i love is150..but mark x is cheaper). The maintenance for Mark x is very costly?
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Mar 9 2018, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE(kirakun @ Mar 9 2018, 10:41 AM) Agreed on this^. IS250 is the one if that fall within your budget. Roughly about 10k+- higher than mark x for an used unit around the same year. Otherwise mark x will be a good choice. Would rather spend the extra money to maintain that's why I'm going for one with the budget of the 3.
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Mar 10 2018, 02:11 AM
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Mar 9 2018, 03:14 PM) How much is your budget? up to 60K? Trying to stay around the 40-50k range.
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Mar 10 2018, 02:14 AM
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QUOTE(lowpro @ Mar 9 2018, 09:33 PM) Makes a lot of noise, then you wait...it'll move... I'm exaggerating a bit here but the transmission can do a lot better. I see, so amongst the 3 which would you recommend ? Or any other cars within that range ? As I mentioned previously if the cvt is really slow then I'll have to consider other options as the last cvt car I drove I could barely over take other cars in day to day traffic so definitely a no-no for me.
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Mar 11 2018, 02:43 AM
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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Mar 10 2018, 09:20 PM) I drive an Exora (same gearbox and engine as Suprima, minus the paddle shifter option) My dad drives a City Idsi and a HRV. Both also CVTs. I have to admit that Honda CVT are better than Protons. My dad's City have a paddle shifter but to be honest its better to let your right foot tell the accelerator what you want rather than shifting yourself. The accelerator takes in your command and tells the gearbox what you want. Thats where CVT and most hated Drive-by-Wire accelerator does the job for u. paddle shifting have fixed gear ratios. Kills the whole purpose of having infinite gear ratio. For my exora. Sometimes i switch on the SAT mode just to feel the virtual gear shifts and the virtual engine rev up and down. In real life it hampers / slows down the acceleration. (And i have to press harder just to get it moving. Can feel the turbo working harder to push the 1.5 ton MPV with SAT mode on) Yes i know older CVT makes driving rather boring / souless. But newer CVT nowdays have virtual shifting (like in the HRV) points even without turning on the SAT mode. Thanks for the insight  . So I take it the suprima's cvt will be sluggish as well regardless of whether it's the suprima or inspira  is your exora the turbo one? If so how's the maintenance of it? Do you have to spend alot to fix parts related to the turbo and how much do spend yearly on maintenance? Very curious. Thanks
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Mar 11 2018, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Mar 11 2018, 07:47 AM) Suprise to see the mark x also on the ts list. If it is a recond model, do allocate some budget to change all wear n tear parts as well, especially the tyre, absorber, that engine mounting (which all of this can cost few thousand for parts n install). Then normal engine servicing with gb oil change. Since it is toyota, expect it to be reliable for use. Suprima is on of the best looking proton car, especially compared it to preve and other proton model. Just that the CVT with clutch based might not jerking free on daily use. To be save better get suprima with under warranty as I see many Preve (same brand punch GB) had a cvt gb replacement under warranty. As i experienced on my office suprima, its FC is kinda high side, i can say my honda 2.4 have a better fc for daily working use (city jam around KL to Kajang back & forth daily) Other than that, the HU on my office car is always hang n restart by itself especially when using gps on it. Okay I see. How do you find the driving of the Suprima? Did you also find it underpowered?
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Mar 15 2018, 12:59 AM
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Mar 12 2018, 03:43 PM) Yeah the car is just slightly lower in std than most if it's a sport package version, and maybe your seat position was also set at the lowest. The car is direct import from Japan so that's why the radio is like that. I think can modify, or many just change. Hey! Do you own a Mark x? If you do could pls share some maintenance costs and what is the average cost of ownership per year? Thanks !
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Mar 15 2018, 01:02 AM
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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Mar 12 2018, 07:09 AM) Hi there. Yup. Mine is turbo version. In regards to turbo. They call for the usual every 10k / 6 mths for oil change or 5K / 3 months if you are driving mainly around town frequently. Its just like maintaining a regular car although recommended to use semi synthetic oil and above. No special requirements though if the engine oil is too black you better off change it quickly before it damages the turbo. And if u ask do i spend alot to fix the turbo the answerr is "no"  . Im still on my original turbo even after 4 yrs later. To answer your question to ayamxxx whether is it underpower. For my exora turbo , its capable of catching up with 2000cc and above. 205nm of turbo charged torque plus CVT makes it a real challenger. Its not slow either. The reason why initial acceleration from 0km/h to 20km /h is slow acceleration is because the initial clutch slip . Yes. Suprima / Exora has a maintenance free wet clutch for the CVT. Therefore it will slip first then only it bites around 15km/h. But once it engages fully with the turbo kick in then you wont say its slow anymore. Okay thank you for the explanation it really helps. So your average yearly maintenance costs is around 1-2k? Thanks
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Mar 15 2018, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Mar 15 2018, 10:20 AM) Hi skrtskrt, I found this in Proton website: http://www.proton-edar.com.my/pdf/service-...vice%20Menu.pdfThis will give a good estimation on how much it costs. But i dont feel it will reach Rm 1k per annum. It depends on how much you use. That's really helpful. Thank you so much bro
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Mar 15 2018, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE(lowpro @ Mar 15 2018, 01:13 PM) For me personally, if I have the cash to maintain it (bear in mind it is not an official import and will be subject to non-official mechanics and you might need to be a bit resourceful to get the best of the mechanic), I will go for the Mark X. Will not comment on the other 2 though as I only have experience with the Inspira 2.0P. Well for the Inspira, it will hustle if you want it to. Just don't whip it to move. Gotta coax it gently to get the best of its CVT. Okay, duly noted. Looks like I have to find the right mechanic before thinking of getting one. Thank you.
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