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post Mar 9 2018, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 9 2018, 01:28 PM)
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the longer u keep this issue open, the more confusion and "bright ideas" u will get.

i am glad i did not get exotic, do just something v simple.

really, my experience, just one good router, forget all the rest, yr house wifi will be fine.

it's not like it is a 3 storey 80x150ft footprint bungalow with 15 rooms.

all the best.
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Totally agree.... TS house size is ok, just invest in a good router... Asus RT-AC86U is good enough, have smart switch to automatically switch between 2.4 and 5GHz... and can control QoS using MAC address. But Seeing TS previously reply... I think maybe not in TS budget
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QUOTE(berrycoo~ @ Mar 9 2018, 01:21 PM)
Are there any options other than client mode? As I dont want to route cables here and there.
Add a wireless AP in what mode?

What do you mean by that I wont be able to utilize the 50mbps at 1 client?
Whats the difference between WDS or wireless bridge and client mode?
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the other option is to buy a better router like the Asus RT-AC1300UHP laugh.gif
oh wait, shall we go to powerline adapter? tongue.gif


btw you only have to use 1 cable for your device if you want to use client mode.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 9 2018, 01:28 PM)
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the longer u keep this issue open, the more confusion and "bright ideas" u will get.

i am glad i did not get exotic, do just something v simple.

really, my experience, just one good router, forget all the rest, yr house wifi will be fine.

it's not like it is a 3 storey 80x150ft footprint bungalow with 15 rooms.

all the best.
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QUOTE(SilentVampire @ Mar 9 2018, 01:30 PM)
Honestly bro, just get one good router and it will be more than enough.
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QUOTE(cdspins @ Mar 9 2018, 01:55 PM)
Totally agree.... TS house size is ok, just invest in a good router... Asus RT-AC86U is good enough, have smart switch to automatically switch between 2.4 and 5GHz...  and can control QoS using MAC address. But Seeing TS previously reply... I think maybe not in TS budget
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QUOTE(cannavaro @ Mar 9 2018, 06:25 PM)
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the other option is to buy a better router like the Asus RT-AC1300UHP  laugh.gif
oh wait, shall we go to powerline adapter?  tongue.gif
btw you only have to use 1 cable for your device if you want to use client mode.
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I tried powerline adapter before. Langsung cant use in my house. Not sure if its because of 3phase wiring.

Ok ok then I shall get a better router. RT-AC1300UHP the best bet? Any other options I can consider?

This post has been edited by berrycoo~: Mar 9 2018, 07:20 PM
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post Mar 9 2018, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(berrycoo~ @ Mar 9 2018, 07:19 PM)
I tried powerline adapter before. Langsung cant use in my house. Not sure if its because of 3phase wiring.

Ok ok then I shall get a better router. RT-AC1300UHP the best bet? Any other options I can consider?
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It’s the best bet. We can recommend you more expensive models but I don’t think you want to go any further.
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post Mar 9 2018, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(berrycoo~ @ Mar 9 2018, 07:19 PM)
I tried powerline adapter before. Langsung cant use in my house. Not sure if its because of 3phase wiring.

Ok ok then I shall get a better router. RT-AC1300UHP the best bet? Any other options I can consider?
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your main problem is wifi lower corner to upper other corner.
these 2 areas in any house are most unlikely to share the same phase of a 3 phase power supply.
hence homeplug will do nothing.

other options will involve laying cables, or repeater, extender, access point - more equipment, work, more money, more headaches.

your house is similar to mine, quite typical actually.
no need to fret, wifi tech with good new routers are good enough for that.
higher priced routers can do the job but rtac1300uhp is good enough.
and very consistent: 55ft 5ghz
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if u buy at shop, might as well take your unifi id/pw with u, get it set up there with latest firmware, go home plug n play, easy.
remember if yr pc does not have 5ghz, best tobuy a dual band adaptor as the same time.
then u see the improvement in total.

if u get into difficulties, can post in asus thread, many asus users can help u, if u need.
my experience is in post #6739.
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4382989/+6720?hl=ac55#bottom
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QUOTE(SilentVampire @ Mar 9 2018, 07:39 PM)
It’s the best bet. We can recommend you more expensive models but I don’t think you want to go any further.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 9 2018, 08:12 PM)
your main problem is wifi lower corner to upper other corner.
these 2 areas in any house are most unlikely to share the same phase of a 3 phase power supply.
hence homeplug will do nothing.

other options will involve laying cables, or repeater, extender, access point - more equipment, work, more money, more headaches.

your house is similar to mine, quite typical actually.
no need to fret, wifi tech with good new routers are good enough for that.
higher priced routers can do the job but rtac1300uhp is good enough.
and very consistent: 55ft 5ghz
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if u buy at shop, might as well take your unifi id/pw with u, get it set up there with latest firmware, go home plug n play, easy.
remember if yr pc does not have 5ghz, best tobuy a dual band adaptor as the same time.
then u see the improvement in total.

if u get into difficulties, can post in asus thread, many asus users can help u, if u need.
my experience is in post #6739.
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4382989/+6720?hl=ac55#bottom
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Alright got it. Shall go for the AC1300UHP then.

I think from my router to my room should be slightly further at 60-70ft. But I guess that should be fine
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QUOTE(berrycoo~ @ Mar 9 2018, 07:19 PM)
Ok ok then I shall get a better router. RT-AC1300UHP the best bet? Any other options I can consider?
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Couple of points.

1. Is the present router working enough to keep you reasonably ok, forget about the wireless range for the moment? Say for clients connected near it?
2. If the answer to (1) above is true, then invest in a wireless range extender, many options are available depending on your budget.
3. Are you going to stay with Asus or consider other vendors? Some wireless extender/bridge/whatever to extend the range may be vendor proprietary so choose a vendor with good firmware and hardware support. A good router will NOT need a scheduled reboot and will run without issues for years rebooting only after a power failure.

Likely even with a high end expensive router the 5Ghz signal at your back room will have, if you are lucky, one bar signal. On 2.4Ghz its going to get interference from neighbours' wifi, your microwave and cordless phones. That is why mesh networks are coming onto the market to solve these issues but its too early to get them as (1) expensive (2) firmware are more like alpha builds (3) new technology

For many years had used the TM supplied router as a VLAN switch and had multiple routers handling wifi using a single SSID and devices auto connect the optimal access point (including one connected to the router LAN port to handle wifi as the wifi on TM router was not robust enough). These were hardware carried over from pre-streamyx and the routers (AirPort) got replaced every 8 to 10 years as the technology render them ineffective (first ones were b/g capable).
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QUOTE(XPS @ Mar 9 2018, 08:31 PM)
Couple of points.

1.  Is the present router working enough to keep you reasonably ok, forget about the wireless range for the moment?  Say for clients connected near it?
2.  If the answer to (1) above is true, then invest in a wireless range extender, many options are available depending on your budget.
3.  Are you going to stay with Asus or consider other vendors?  Some wireless extender/bridge/whatever to extend the range may be vendor proprietary so choose a vendor with good firmware and hardware support.  A good router will NOT need a scheduled reboot and will run without issues for years rebooting only after a power failure.

Likely even with a high end expensive router the 5Ghz signal at your back room will have, if you are lucky, one bar signal.  On 2.4Ghz its going to get interference from neighbours' wifi, your microwave and cordless phones.  That is why mesh networks are coming onto the market to solve these issues but its too early to get them as (1) expensive (2) firmware are more like alpha builds (3) new technology

For many years had used the TM supplied router as a VLAN switch and had multiple routers handling wifi using a single SSID and devices auto connect the optimal access point (including one connected to the router LAN port to handle wifi as the wifi on TM router was not robust enough).  These were hardware carried over from pre-streamyx and the routers (AirPort) got replaced every 8 to 10 years as the technology render them ineffective (first ones were b/g capable).
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1. The present router is working ok if I am near it. Can get full speed. But my problem is that in my room the performance is quite on and off. At best can get 40mbps. Most of the time is 20-30mbps.
2. I tried using wireless range extender on a TP-Link WA901ND. Devices connect to it at first but after a while disconnects. And no longer able to connect anymore. Even tried flashing dd-wrt firmware but still same.
3. The router quite unstable at times. Having the need to restart few times a month.
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QUOTE(berrycoo~ @ Mar 9 2018, 08:57 PM)
1. The present router is working ok if I am near it. Can get full speed. But my problem is that in my room the performance is quite on and off. At best can get 40mbps. Most of the time is 20-30mbps.
2. I tried using wireless range extender on a TP-Link WA901ND. Devices connect to it at first but after a while disconnects. And no longer able to connect anymore. Even tried flashing dd-wrt firmware but still same.
3. The router quite unstable at times. Having the need to restart few times a month.
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On average, the 5GHz (non AC older devices as old as ones purchased in 2010) typically get almost 300M speeds and 2.4GHz devices typically 70-100M speeds or better (and this is like consistent stable numbers for years). When you mention 20-30M speeds its likely wireless interference from surrounding 2.4GHz wifi networks (assuming you are looking at router logs to see actual speed and not internet speed test which adds a lot more variables). Device disconnections probably from interference.

When you invest in a new router, try in your mind to think of it in two parts,

1. Connecting to TM modem and as a VLAN switch.
2. Wifi and devices need to have 5GHz connectivity

On wifi, that is where things get complicated. Its likely you will need another access point (whatever tech) to get good signal strength at the back simply because there are regulations on how much max power a router can transmit.
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QUOTE(berrycoo~ @ Mar 9 2018, 07:19 PM)
I tried powerline adapter before. Langsung cant use in my house. Not sure if its because of 3phase wiring.

Ok ok then I shall get a better router. RT-AC1300UHP the best bet? Any other options I can consider?
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It'll be irresponsible of me not to throw Mikrotik into the hat. Not for everyone though.
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A bit of configuration with Mikrotik/UNBT as a VLAN router and with a LAN cable move the existing router (as an AP) to mid point could be the cheapest solution. He needs to test how stable his existing router is in AP mode. Guess is its probably going to function a lot more stable without the heavy lifting required for routing.
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Dear Sifus, need your advise for the following case wink.gif

1. (3) 2 storey house, 22x70
2. Using Unifi 30 mbps

House A and C is sharing the same network currently, and House B will be sharing the same network in the future. Therefore, I'm planning to change House A router if necessary, and also getting a new router for House B.

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post Mar 13 2018, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Nando's @ Mar 13 2018, 10:30 AM)
Sorry TS, tumpang thread wink.gif

Dear Sifus, need your advise for the following case wink.gif

1. (3) 2 storey house, 22x70
2. Using Unifi 30 mbps

House A and C is sharing the same network currently, and House B will be sharing the same network in the future. Therefore, I'm planning to change House A router if necessary, and also getting a new router for House B.

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its not hard to change new router for house A, just to remember your unifi ID and unifi password.
the current situation you are mentioned is pulling a long LAN cable from house A to house C through outdoor?
So now, you need to get another long LAN cable, just the length for house A to house B. Then buy a small 5-port D-Link or TP-Link network switch (for best is gigabit switch) then put it to house B.

Connect the LAN cable from the main router of house A to the network switch of house B, then put one new router in house B and connect to the network switch with LAN cable. The old LAN cable plug in the network switch too, then pull it to the router of house C.

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Second situation, just pull another LAN cable directly from main router of house A to the new router of House B.

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QUOTE(junclj @ Mar 13 2018, 12:11 PM)
its not hard to change new router for house A, just to remember your unifi ID and unifi password.
the current situation you are mentioned is pulling a long LAN cable from house A to house C through outdoor?
So now, you need to get another long LAN cable, just the length for house A to house B. Then buy a small 5-port D-Link or TP-Link network switch (for best is gigabit switch) then put it to house B.

Connect the LAN cable from the main router of house A to the network switch of house B, then put one new router in house B and connect to the network switch with LAN cable. The old LAN cable plug in the network switch too, then pull it to the router of house C.

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Second situation, just pull another LAN cable directly from main router of house A to the new router of House B.
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Hi junclj,

House A and C are connected. Will pull a long LAN cable from House A to B through outdoor as well in the future.

Is there any recommended router for House A and B? brows.gif

Thankiu very much
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How about Tp-Link TL-WR941HP?
it have 3x9dbi antenna and also amplifier,
the only cons is it dosen`t have 802.11AC
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QUOTE(Nando's @ Mar 13 2018, 10:30 AM)
Sorry TS, tumpang thread wink.gif

Dear Sifus, need your advise for the following case wink.gif

1. (3) 2 storey house, 22x70
2. Using Unifi 30 mbps

House A and C is sharing the same network currently, and House B will be sharing the same network in the future. Therefore, I'm planning to change House A router if necessary, and also getting a new router for House B.
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Depends on what you want to do and how many users there are. If nothing special, any router will do.

If you want to control bandwidth to the 2 houses, get something that can do that. I’d recommend a Mikrotik.

I have a similar setup in my house (UniFi 100). One cable to the neighbour on my left and a wireless link to the neighbour opposite my house. These 2 neighbours share my unifi connection. There’s another wireless link to the neighbour on my right. This is for load balancing and as a backup wan. They’re on unifi 50. I’m using an RB750Gr3 as my main router.

Are you charging for these?

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QUOTE(soonwai @ Mar 13 2018, 02:33 PM)
Depends on what you want to do and how many users there are. If nothing special, any router will do.

If you want to control bandwidth to the 2 houses, get something that can do that. I’d recommend a Mikrotik.

I have a similar setup in my house (UniFi 100). One cable to the neighbour on my left and a wireless link to the neighbour opposite my house. These 2 neighbours share my unifi connection. There’s another wireless link to the neighbour on my right. This is for load balancing and as a backup wan. They’re on unifi 50. I’m using an RB750Gr3 as my main router.

Are you charging for these?
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Nope, we're family. Around 5~6 user in one House, and yea i'm quite interested in Mikrotik as well, but RB750Gr3 doesn't come with WiFi right?

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QUOTE(Nando's @ Mar 13 2018, 04:14 PM)
Nope, we're family. Around 5~6 user in one House, and yea i'm quite interested in Mikrotik as well, but RB750Gr3 doesn't come with WiFi right?
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Cool, let's say 6 users per house. Total 18, no problemo. Yes, RB750Gr3 is router only with no wifi. It's the cheapest Mikrotik router-only router but packs some serious horsepower (by home user standards). Wifi, you can use back any old wifi router. Save some money that way. Personally I prefer to split my router and wifi as I don't see myself upgrading the router until TM goes above 500mbps. Wifi, on the other hand, gets upgraded a bit more often.

The setup for my house is little bit more complicated than usual. Each house has their own VLAN so we don't see each others devices. And one additional VLAN for management so I can connect to their routers for monitoring and config. You can do all that with Mikrotik, UBNT or Cisco, maybe even Asus BRT routers but for sure Mikrotik is the cheapest of the lot. You'll need to invest some time to learn to set it up though.

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QUOTE(soonwai @ Mar 13 2018, 04:41 PM)
Cool, let's say 6 users per house. Total 18, no problemo. Yes, RB750Gr3 is router only with no wifi. It's the cheapest Mikrotik router-only router but packs some serious horsepower (by home user standards). Wifi, you can use back any old wifi router. Save some money that way. Personally I prefer to split my router and wifi as I don't see myself upgrading the router until TM goes above 500mbps. Wifi, on the other hand, gets upgraded a bit more often.

The setup for my house is little bit more complicated than usual. Each house has their own VLAN so we don't see each others devices. And one additional VLAN for management so I can connect to their routers for monitoring and config. You can do all that with Mikrotik, UBNT or Cisco, maybe even Asus BRT routers but for sure Mikrotik is the cheapest of the lot. You'll need to invest some time to learn to set it up though.
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So, for my case RB750Gr3 will be the main router (Backbone) and using back Mi Router to share WiFi in House A, and for House B i'll probably get another Asus N12HP router for House B as it has better WiFi coverage i guess, or do you have any router recommended just for sharing WiFi? icon_idea.gif

Should I use the same SSID or separately? icon_question.gif

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I am on Unifi 50Mbps and is now using Asus RT-AC55UHP router. It is working fine most of the time with no issue of connection lag, except when my brother kids comes home in the weekend.

On most days the router only has about 5 devices connected to a maximum of 7 devices.

Times when my brother comes back with his family, the router will see about 14-17 devices connected, due to my bro, his wife and the kids connecting to the wifi also.

That the time when the RT-AC55UHP start becoming slow. I do not think it is the line getting over saturated or bandwidth usage issue. As i have been monitoring the router WAN interface for some time and notice utilization is fairly acceptable hit about 60% on average. The issue is the CPU of the router staying at close to 100% all the time, the kids is all an avid fans of streaming video online (watching youtube mostly).

So if you are like me, expecting lots of devices connecting (in excess of more than 10), i would suggest getting a router with higher cpu clock rates or more cores.

So i am now on the hunt for a router with higher cpu clock rates and has more cores, to see if i can alleviate the issue of connection being laggy.

It would also help in your own selection criteria, to read up on some of the newer router features. Example like beam forming, MU-MIMO / SU-MIMO and etc. Those will help in choosing a right router for your home.

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