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ck.chunkeat
post May 28 2018, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ May 28 2018, 09:33 AM)
It's acceptable switch only. If the comment annoy you in some way, then I'm sorry.

Kailh is much better quality.

What happens to the Razer, is they turn greedy. That's why onwards from 2013, they moved from Cherry to Kailh. Then they complain about Kailh still is higher cost (although half price of cherry), only they moving to Greetech and Outemu.

So, what's differentiate between cherry, kailh, greetch?
Cherry is very firm, and stem less wobble. Each strong is precise among their own.
Kailh, is very solid as well, less wobble. However, we still found that the accuracy is lesser than the cherry. But, newer kailh box made it better kailh now.
Greetch, the switch is wobble, less solid switch. It uses less materials and cost, thinner copper pins, not smooth gold leaf composite. However, it's still very acceptable switch.

Just imagine a switch only 1/4 to 1/6 of the cherry, but still selling the board with same price.

This post is not to bash the Razer, just to let you know,
previous 2013, board cost 300+, sell at RM 400+
now, board cost 100+, sell at RM 500-600+

If greetech good, we all using greetech from long time ago

Well, razer claimed their switch award-winning. I think the conclusion the switch is not satisfactory to the community, but it's Razer fans self-satisfactory feel (Syok Sendiri).
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You missed out 1 point, razer logo/branding alone is worth that extra cost for razer fans. innocent.gif

When you say razer switch is not good, they will link the durability that razer claimed. 80 million clicks compared to 50million clicks.
Not to mention razer chroma(better naming of RGB) alone is enough for them to drool.gif .
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post May 29 2018, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ May 28 2018, 09:40 PM)
Their naming like "black widow" also can make them go  drool.gif
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Razer BlackWidow X Chroma Mercury Edition

Razer BlackWidow X Tournament Edition Chroma

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With tournament-grade precision courtesy of Razer™ Mechanical Switches...

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Designed specifically for gaming, Razer Mechanical Switches actuate at an optimal distance, giving you speed and responsiveness like never before . Razer Mechanical Switches have been lauded as the new standard  for all mechanical gaming keyboards since their introduction.

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Validated by top esports athletes, Razer™ Mechanical Switches are engineered for extreme performance.


I can see how fan boys would like the name as it probably sounded very cool for them.
I'd say Razer is doing a fantastic job in their marketing where it is aimed at their targeted customers in their face:thumbsup:

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post May 29 2018, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(khelben @ May 29 2018, 02:03 PM)
Their "gaming" keyboard may be silly but their gaming keypad is actually quite legit. Like the, Orbweaver or something like that.

Removing your pinky's dependency and move it to the thumb is so much better, especially for games that require bout 30 keybinds laugh.gif
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the orbweaver cost around rm500, and although i never used it myself, i have heard people mentioning about the switches dying also, which shows some quality issue.

There are custom keyboards which supports the thumb cluster but those might not be cheap , such as the ergo dox, iris,

Other than that, there's a few keyboards which supports custom keybind. So if you really needed something similar to orb weaver, why not go full split keyboard? at least you still get to type on it.
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post Jul 1 2019, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(takeshiru @ Jun 15 2019, 01:57 PM)
Hello guys.

Im pretty new to MKB. Im now currently using ikbc c87, red switch. I do game but im not a big fan of those rgb corsair razer etcs type keyboard. Used them previously and now I appreciating better quality KB, keycaps. I was hoping to venture into another set. A another TKL perhaps. I got a budget of rm500, previously i almost got leopod at ultimate zone but they didnt have red switch so i got the ikbc instead.
Any other brands should i looks out for? And where to get it?

Thks guyss
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I can recommend the leopold with double shot keycaps.

If want better quality than leopold, you will have to go custom . smile.gif
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post Nov 23 2019, 12:14 AM

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I lubed my board with a combination of krytox grease + oil and also experimented with superlube grease.

To me, the effect of lubing isn't long lasting. After a few weeks, the sound is very obvious not the same as when it is freshly lubed.

The lubes will all wear off.
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post Nov 23 2019, 01:27 AM

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for me, personally i feel like there's 3 states. After the "steady state" that you mentioned, the lubed effect will keep wearing off because the lubes were pushed to the sides. The stem will keep rubbing on the rails and push the lube to the top or bottom. Not to say it is totally gone, it will still be smoother than 0 lube, but it is definitely slowly wearing off, even after the weeks or months.

It was particularly obvious on my stabs. it just keeps getting louder and not as smooth.

Yes, Krytox ix supposed to be high grade lubricant meant for extreme conditions but i believed it was meant for closed condition and not open condition as how switches and stabs are .

Just my opinion based on my experience on 2 different boards, a gateron linear and a topre.

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post Nov 23 2019, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Nov 23 2019, 07:27 AM)
Yeah, it's really your opinion only.  laugh.gif

Even cheaper lube like permatex, super lube have grace period 3 years in exposed condition before dissolved.
Anyone with lubing experience will tell you your lubing method or choice is wrong from the few points you mentioned and you twisted the facts that Krytox wearing off.
"lubed effect will keep wearing off because the lubes were pushed to the sides" - This showed you put excess grease into your switch / stab.
The foundation why we use grease is to fill gaps, while we use oil is for pure lubrication.
Grease is made of oil + thickeners, so, if the rails have small gaps, just use slight grease, or just use oil will do. The oil will stick on the wall act as permanent lube; it won't wearing off.

Anyway, early morning, lazy diu you, since you mentioned is your opinion and observation.
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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 23 2019, 08:48 AM)
.. ok. maybe i misunderstood, as the way you put it sounded like lube effects will be gone after few weeks, which is around the time period when freshly lubed state ends. at this rate, when it's used in air plane engines and parts, to me it sounded like lube effects are gone before the plane can take off. (scary man)

switch/stabilizer lubing is never about changes of sound or feel during the freshly lubed state. they are side effects. it will be very tedious to maintain those side effects because you will need to repeat everything every few weeks/months.

it's really ok to have own opinions, as long as they're not deviated from common observations. we use the same lube, the same switches, etc. (well, maybe different lube techniques hehe)
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come on la kw, dont diu people early in the morning cry.gif

but anyway, i mention the decreasing effect, probably cause my expectation was that after i lubed, i will get smoother switches and muted sound and all the other goodies.

It doesn't help when all the lubed keyboard typing test videos are all recorded right after they finished lubing. Rarely anyone document the typing test few weeks after the lube break in.

My main concern is not that the lube totally wear off. but because it is not performing as when it is freshly lubed.

Let me rephrase my point, maybe I worded wrongly:
If I lube because I expected the same effect as all the before after lube typing test videos, then I will be majorly disappointed.
Yes they are still smooth and the lube is still there, just the effect is maybe 50-80% of when freshly lubed before the lube is broke in?
Hence I said the effect of lube (which I had too high of a expectation based on watching all those videos before deciding to get the lube) , will wear off.
So i will correct my sentence, the effort of fresh/excess(in some cases) lube, will wear off. notworthy.gif

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