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post May 2 2018, 11:52 AM

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The Greatest Keyboard of All Time.. Reborn


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post May 15 2018, 10:06 PM

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worse keyboard ever? to the point there is a class action law suit.


https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/14/ap...claims_lawsuit/


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it more evenly distributes the pressure from tapping on the keys. However, the keys get easily stuck if any particle gets into the mechanism. And repair is costly. At least, that the assertion of a recall petition signed by almost 18,000 people in just over a week.

Their suit says “Thousands of consumers have experienced this defect. When the MacBook’s butterfly keyboard fails, the keys stick and no longer register keystrokes.”




or any other suggestions for keyboard deserving of this title hmm.gif xd



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post May 16 2018, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ May 15 2018, 11:51 PM)
.. maybe they did the whole qc process in a clean room :/
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well this is what happens when they don't send me the hardware to beta test icon_idea.gif

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post May 23 2018, 10:07 PM

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Logitech G513 Carbon Mechanical Keyboard Reviewed

Ryan Shrout over at PC Perspective are taking the new Logitech G513 Carbon mechanical gaming keyboard for a spin. The G513 Carbon has exclusive linear Romer-G switches, and in my opinion, some very good looks. Oh and of course all the RGB frag harder disco lights one can stuff into a keyboard. But is it worth $150?



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Finally, we come to the big selling point of the G513 Carbon, the new Romer-G linear switches. These switches carry through all of the positive qualities of the tactile switch, sans the "bump" indicating when you’ve triggered a character. This includes the higher actuation point and shorter overall travel distance of 1.5mm and 3.2mm respectively, as well as the 45g of pressure required to actuate (for those keeping score, that’s 25% faster actuations than a standard MX-style switch). Compared to the prior generation of Romer-Gs, this puts them much closer to a standard Cherry MX Red - or even better, Cherry MX Silent Red.

https://www.hardocp.com/news/2018/05/22/log...yboard_reviewed

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post May 26 2018, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ May 24 2018, 02:12 AM)
thanks Moogle. it's a nice read. it's written by 'a huge fan of romer-g switches'. the author went on and said that romer-g's tactile switches feel 'almost exactly the same' as the new linear variant.

.. i stopped reading after that, because i was not sure if he wanted to point out that tactile romer-g is actually just scratchy linear, or something else.

i believe that romer-g linear is a good option for gaming boards. in fact they should forget about tactile and went straight to linear from the start. however they should stop screwing around with reviews like this one.
i never tried a romer g before, so appreciated quovadis and your input on this hmm.gif

but that pricing.... there are many cheap alternatives with cherry mx that can beat that price point. as a more budget minded user, that is my perspective.



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post May 27 2018, 02:10 AM

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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ May 27 2018, 02:08 AM)
why are black switches hard to find in most mainstream keyboards these days?
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Have you tried cherry mx black before? wouldn't like it.

when you press..... it's hard..... think of a spring you press on it, but the spring is very hard. thats how i would describe it. imagine typing on that half the day at work sad.gif
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post May 27 2018, 02:18 AM

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what was your impression going from black to red? too soft?

when i first tried red, the linear push down so soft, push all the way down o-O; quite easily.

having been comfortable on brown, i didn't really feel the need to go for a red, put it that way. i'm not pro gamer, so as casual brown works great for me.

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post Jun 1 2018, 07:16 AM

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optical mechanical keyboard, the new poison. Introducing the HP Omen Sequencer devil.gif



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Naturally, the Sequential also features individually backlit RGB keys – the lighting effects can be customised via HP’s Omen Command Center.

The HP Sequential is a pretty interesting gaming keyboard, but it carries a hefty price tag: it’s set to retail from $179.99, which comes up to about RM715  bye.gif . Nonetheless, it’s expected to be available sometime in July 2018.


https://www.lowyat.net/2018/163444/hp-seque...s-rgb-lighting/



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post Jun 3 2018, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(letze @ Jun 2 2018, 02:20 PM)
Before we always complain razer/corsair use non std bottom row
And now HP troll us back with out of this world spacebar  rclxs0.gif
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i'm perfectly okay with standard spacebar. i have no idea why they decided to reinvent it.... did anyone try it? lelz... hmm.gif


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post Jun 18 2018, 12:02 PM

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Most Disruptive Tech (Keyboard): The Wooting One – The future of gaming keyboards? hmm.gif


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Have you ever heard of a keyboard that has an adjustable actuation distance? Or one in which you could change from a digital to analog response and back again? What about swappable keys that can be replaced on the go or keys that will almost never wear out? Well, if you hadn’t before, now you do. The Wooting One offers a revolutionary leap over the usually stagnant field of keyboards and utilizes Flaretech’s Optical Prism Switch with an absolutely killer software side. It offers a vastly superior experience to traditional digital mechanical keyboards in nearly all regards.

Not only are the Flaretech Prism switches rated at over a 100 million keystrokes but every single switch on the keyboard is replaceable and the company is kind enough to provide spares in the box in case you ever need them. The keyboard has an analog response function as well as the traditional digital one depending on your preference and you can, of course, set actuation distances with the click of a button (prefer a featherlite fast typing response? no problemo). After seeing the flexibility this $142 keyboard gives to gamers, it’s hard to justify dropping $199+ on ‘premium’ traditional gaming boards.

The company was kind enough to give us a sample and we will be following this up with a much more detailed review soon.

https://wccftech.com/wccftechs-best-of-comp...hnology-awards/

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post Jun 21 2018, 12:52 PM

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Old video but still relevant somewhat.

you buy a mkb, but later you may decide to opt for keycap set replacements for something more stylish (or more importantly imho more durable and higher contrast) keycaps.

doubleshots and dyesubs are some examples of better quality keycaps.

One project i participated in the past was with the geekhack community bulk purchase of signature plastics doubleshot keycap set compatible for cherry corp standard keyboard.

For compatibility, we even had to resort to a moogle kit required for older vintage mkbs.
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Adapter_kit

in the video they illustrate how the spacebar had some sort of holder you had to be a bit more careful when replacing, but i had no such issue with my Ducky Dk9008 mkb, just simply remove and replace no issues. But for certain mkbs something to take note of.






these days though, brands like ducky etc, offer their own kits for better quality keycaps, so saves you the trouble having to put together a crowd funded project for it, which is a nice change from the old days nod.gif
http://www.duckychannel.com.tw/en/keycaps_set.html





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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 21 2018, 02:08 PM)
i have sets from ducky (akko x ducky; produced by hardcaps). they are of oem profile, pbt, with ok-ish thickness (similar to tai-hao) yes it does help ducky users minimizing risks of getting incompatible sets. (just like varmilo)
i kept my original ducky set, the one i got is the no filling blank. durable but not so good contrast. but it's got the ducky specific function icons on it, so i use them.... but all the other keycaps i replaced nod.gif

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post Jun 24 2018, 09:04 AM

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Apple Launches Repair Program for Faulty MacBook and MacBook Pro Keyboards

In response to extensive customer complaints and two potential class action lawsuits shakehead.gif, Apple is launching a free repair program for MacBook and MacBook Pros with keys that get stuck or don’t register when tapped. According to Apple, only a "small percentage" of laptops were affected.

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To initiate the repair process, customers should find an Apple Authorized Service Provider, make an appointment at an Apple retail store, or mail the device into an Apple Repair Center after contacting Apple support. Apple says that if the affected MacBook or MacBook Pro has damage that impairs service, the issue will need to be repaired first.

https://www.hardocp.com/news/2018/06/23/app...k_pro_keyboards



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New Razer Keyboard Features "Opto-Mechanical" Switches
Razer has released a pair of new keyboards that feature their new "opto-mechanical" switches. The switches are available in the new "Razer Huntsman Elite" and "Razer Huntsman" keyboards. The switches use an infrared beam of light, that is broken when the key is depressed, and allows light to pass when the key is pressed. In addition they also have a mechanical component, giving them a similar "clicky" feel to the Razer Green switch.



I dunno about these. While the idea of using an optical break-beam sensor for something is nothing new, having it miniaturized on this scale makes me fear that they may be more fragile than the MacBook butterfly switches. Optical sensors are not known for being impervious to cheeto dust. If you're interested the Huntsman Elite will set you back $200, and the regular Huntsman $150.


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Pushing innovation to elevate the gaming experience is something we constantly strive for. It was what drove us to create the first mechanical keyboard for gaming, then subsequently design our own Razer Mechanical Switches to meet the needs of different gamers. And with the new Razer Opto-Mechanical Switch, we’re redefining the standards of speed once again.

https://www.hardocp.com/news/2018/06/28/new...anical_switches



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mechanical keyboard + lapboard =
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/07/22/...pboard_review/3


hmm.gif from my own perspective, i would not want to maintain that posture for prolong periods of time to justify getting a lapboard.....
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Capcom Is Releasing a $676 Keyboard for Resident Evil 2 Fans

Capcom Japan is selling a replica of the Lexington-style keyboard featured in the upcoming Resident Evil 2 remake. While it does feature Bluetooth and novelties such as a return bar that functions as an Enter key and knobs for volume adjustment and page scrolling, the price is steep at 75,000 yen ($676). A redditor has managed to find what appears to be an exact replica on Amazon for hundreds less.

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The priciest bundle includes a Leon S. Kennedy statue and "ink ribbons" for a whopping $900, but even just the keyboard on its own starts at $676. There's a comparable typewriter-style keyboard (minus the Umbrella and Lexington branding) for $249 on Amazon. I'm sure someone will be able to take that basic model, match the Resident Evil-specific detailing, and come up with a convincing replica.


https://www.hardocp.com/news/2018/08/11/cap...ent_evil_2_fans


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budget friendly wireless mechanical keyboard with pbt keycaps? Introducing the iKBC CD108 BT
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iKBC brings out their first wireless keyboard with the budget-friendly CD108 BT that supports Bluetooth in addition to wired operation. Add-on features include removable batteries, PBT keycaps, and extensive on-board functionality, that makes this a modern option for a wireless keyboard in 2018.


https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/iKBC/CD108_BT/
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post Sep 30 2018, 10:12 AM

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i recently just dissembled my keyboard to clean it because it was acting up. so just sharing tips for how to do this.

Mines a Ducky dk9008 g2 (limited edition)
https://tigerimports.net/sunshop/index.php?..._detail&p=13708

it's also convenient having a picture of your original keyboard layout, so you can reassemble the key schema back the same again quicker nod.gif


there are 3 screws at the back of it. one of them is covered by a void warranty sticker which you have to remove (because there is a screw hidden behind it). afaik these warranty stickers may not apply in some countries where such things are not valid as the user is allow to make reasonable self repairs. i'm not too sure about our own local laws for this :/

anyway unscrew those 3 screws (fyi you will need 3 screw driver types for this entire process for later).

then next step is to peel off the cover. It's wedge on tight with some sort of clippings. To remove it, had to use a flat head screw driver to wiggle some space to loosen it up from all sides. You can then apply some force to open it up. I use 2 flat head screw drivers to open it from opposing sides to make the process easier.

once you manage to open the keyboard front cover, you can further open it further to access the lower half of the keyboard. There are 2 screws you unscrew ( i use a 2nd screw driver that fits it better to do it).

when thats done, do not just rip it out. there is a connecting wire you need to GENTLY remove (it's easy to do no worries) by pulling it out.

Once that is done, you can also unscrew the usb connector using another screw driver to remove the 2 screws. The reason why you do this is so you can clean the back cover better by first removing that electronic component part first.




There are some advise for cleaning electrical components
http://www.circuitnet.com/experts/70402.html


but essentially what they are suggesting is to use an aerosol cleaner so you don't end up damaging the pcb.

example



also use a tooth brush which has thistles to help you clean out the dirt. i'd be very careful if using a flat head screw driver trying to scrape off dirt as you may accidentally damage the metalic plate. using tooth brush is better.



as for keycaps, i just dump them into a bucket of water with some cleaning fluid to soak for a bit. and later to dry wipe them with a cloth later and to dry out.


anything that is wet make sure it is dried out properly. i have a fan blown on it. probably a hair dryer used sparingly may hasten the work a bit sweat.gif


anyway reassembled it all (make sure you keep the screws especially where you can find them. i use a toolbox for storing my parts). the only tough part about putting it back together was trying to fit on the front cover to the 2nd half of the mkb, because it has some sort of side clips which you need to firmly push the 2 parts together so it locks in properly.

I plugged it back up (after i'm certain it's dried up sufficiently), and keyboard is working fine no issues like before icon_rolleyes.gif




there is one other thing i didn't cover, which was removing the switches. i didn't have to do that yet, but as your mkb gets used, you may notice a switch is not working well due to worned out spring? so you'd have to switch out for that problematic switch.

From what i could see, you need to desolder to remove the switch, and replace with the new one.




the sad truth is, your keyboard is more likely to be dirtier than your toilet shocking.gif so yes try and clean your keyboard from time to time.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/this...4b0010a7f3e12d9


that sums it up for mkb maintenance (hopefully you don't have to do this often) sweat.gif

//notes: this guide was based on the mkb i use, so yours may be different for disassembly. heads up smile.gif


now i can go back to gaming on fornite with a fixed keyboard devil.gif



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post Oct 6 2018, 05:41 AM

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Why does India LOVE this Keyboard??


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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 30 2018, 12:34 PM)
nice. it's good to clear the stuff inside boards from time to time hehe

right, each board has their own case design (for instance, ikbc f87 doesn't have a single screw to do case disassembly because they use clip-in case design)
yeah, normally i just remove keycap only (i used to use a plastic keycap puller, but that is not durable and broke. i replaced it for a filco keycap puller which uses thing metal grippers) and clean that. only this time i went for a proper cleaning, and boy it was dirtier than i expected puke.gif

but for my keyboard, i think the disassembly process is not bad, i give it a 9/10 (most of the issue was the effort needed to pry apart the plastic locking mechanism). but any future mkb purchases by me, this will definitely be on my checklist "how easy is it to open up mkb to clean it".

i could not truly fully disassemble, because the last step for separating the switches from the pcb would have required desoldering, which frankly was not something i was up for.

i'm generally fine with my keyboard, but this early model did have a defect, that the hole to allow the usb cable through was too narrow. thats my only gripe about it sweat.gif


QUOTE(irsyadfy @ Oct 1 2018, 09:35 AM)
nice general info on cleaning mkbs.

keep up the good work !
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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Mar 18 2018, 04:33 PM)
These rapid-i at RM 100, I learnt that experienced enthusiasts made decision very fast.
And new players take long time decisions, and many tends to become kaki airplane.
This kind of symptom is always there in the community, experienced players always have big advantage because they understand what they are buying.

Still, the current mkb community, i can see is much lower amount of knowledge, they join the group for the sake of having many groups in their profile.
Can conclude, the community is running the reverse gear compared to nearby countries community.

The passion, attitude, culture. purchasing power are the downfall of our current group.  doh.gif
It's super sad, people telling you last time mkb club is much more better because less toxic and less sohai and cb kia. lol.
QUOTE(zorbyss. @ Mar 19 2018, 10:46 AM)
I can understand how some ppl wander around the gaming peripheral space and suddenly stumble across the MKB community.

You can't really label them as "enthusiast". They just want a nice gamer-y looking keyboard with blings( which they think it's nice) and bugger off. This is where the affordable chinese boards come in. Aula ada LED at RM150, Filco x da. Bodo la. *beli Aula*

They don't have the passion to study more and venture deeper. Altering switches, solder/desolder, spending huge bucks on caps (c'mon, to normal ppl, RM500 for a set of plastic caps? They laugh).

Afterall, MKB is still a really niche passion. Not everyone willing to spend so much on something they deem valueless. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

Buying power can be one of the largest showstopper for some ppl but I think it's more of value proposition. Looking at these rapid-i for Rm100 for example, to some ppl, these are "fishy" stuff. "Why so cheap ah? Spoilt ah? Cannot use ah? Condition how ah? Need repair ah? LED how ah? I will consider bro." then FFK. Like you said, ppl like us will know what to do with it the moment we see it on sale. Desolder and selling the switches alone worth almost the price paid. At least, to me, I get 87 Cherry housing rclxms.gif I still have the PCB and the casing (gonna repaint it).

I'm pretty sure the ones who bought them will mostly revamp the entire board instead of using it as it is.
QUOTE(horns @ Mar 19 2018, 02:48 PM)
your points are spot-on about our current mkb community.

mkb is a general and over-simplified marketing term now, nothing related to what a true mkb community is after. hence, most users have a very shallow knowledge of mkbs, established based on marketing, and over-glorified yet crappy prebuilts. (.. and most of them thought they're very good already) however, some of these users will eventually realize the obvious differences, and start to appreciate true values of the actual mkb community.

still, i'm pretty optimistic about our mkb community smile.gif
all interesting comments about our mkb community. just wanted to share my own 50cents worth to the subject.

even if.... the mkb community as is, may not necessarily be as active as it use to, and conversation is sporadic or maybe by fewer participants, i feel that there has been enough awareness about mkbs in general, increased mkb availability in local market and cheaper pricing for mkbs speaks volumes to it's popularity and success as re-emergence for quality keyboards.


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https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?da...ical%20keyboard





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Numbers represent search interest relative to the highest point on the chart for the given region and time. A value of 100 is the peak popularity for the term. A value of 50 means that the term is half as popular. A score of 0 means that there was not enough data for this term.


So it's mission accomplished as far as i'm concerned.

conversation for the sake of conversation was never the point to begin with; nor was showing off or elitism (though it may look that way to outsiders peering into our community that misconstrue our passion delving further into this hobby/poison). we got the conversation and awareness started/rolling and it has already taken effect in a big way that i never really expected i'd be one of the original influencers for our locality for mkbs shocking.gif (credits also to the thread organizers who have kept this mkb club thread/threads going, or even just an ordinary participant who added to the conversation productively).

so good job everyone icon_rolleyes.gif


-sincerely yours, the original mass mkb poisoner/vampire, Moogle
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Sea Sonic Adds Wooting Analog Keyboards to Its Product Lineup

Sea Sonic has signed an exclusive sales and distribution deal with Wooting, the company behind the most advanced analogue mechanical keyboard for the PC gaming market. The partnership between Sea Sonic and Wooting is the perfect fit as both companies believe in core values of innovation, performance and quality. The partnership will allow Wooting to have more visibility in international retail channels and access to Sea Sonic's dedicated marketing department. "We believe that by working with Wooting, the forerunner and the best company behind analogue input technology, Sea Sonic not only supports and invests in technology advancement, but also helps innovation reach a wider audience." - Vincent Chang, CEO of Sea Sonic Electronics Co., Ltd.

The Wooting one keyboard is the world's first analog keyboard. It uses Flaretech Prism optical mechanical key switches to allow gamers similar usability as a controller joystick, by recognizing how far each key is pressed down. The user gets full control over in-game movement; whether it is a slight change of direction in driving games or a gradual adjustment of movement speed in shooter games. The keyboard switches are hot-swappable and the actuation point is fully adjustable within the analog range of 1.5 mm-3.6 mm, unlike the fixed distance of 2 mm found on regular mechanical keyboards.




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"We feel excited to work together with Sea Sonic. Their global presence, experience and network will strengthen our weak areas as a small company. This allows us to place more focus on the future adaptations of analogue input technology, product experience and our awesome customers." - Calder Limmen, Co-founder and CEO of Wooting

hmm.gif woot...

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