Absolutely 100% agree about Filco being amazing out of the box. Their only downside are the stock keycaps which are ABS, but throw in some good PBT one and the Majestouch is really a majestic typing experience. Upgrading from a Filco is difficult because there aren't many that matches them in quality so it's really down to nit picky preference.
right
besides throwing in a set of thick pbt/abs caps, lubricating its stabilizers with dielectric grease is sufficient to make it almost perfect, since costar stabilizer is the easiest to maintain.
you just need alphas and numbers right? i know this will make the boards look weird. alternatively, maybe you should try typing without looking at keys, or look elsewhere for better trade-ins.
why didn't you pick something that have readable caps in the first place?
This post has been edited by horns: Sep 27 2018, 06:26 PM
I kinda OK typing on a blank HHKB. On FC660C however, those additional keys to the right of my right hand fucks my muscle memory; most probably because of the mods and alphas are w/ the same color.
I don't exactly touch typing though. More like glance typing.
This post has been edited by Longicollis: Sep 27 2018, 08:19 PM
try to use it daily for few days or weeks. you should be fine. (it's just insert at the top and delete at the bottom only)
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notes on stock gk64 with gk64 carbon fiber plate: cf plate brings down further the noise of pings, compared to other plate types (steel, aluminum), making it the better choice to make an effective silenced build.
also, i have tested the o-ring mod on stabilizers, highlighted here at keebtalk.com. yes it does minimize the noise of upstrokes of the large keys. however, the typing feel is now similar to lubed cherry mx silent red. the mod shortens travel distance, too, imo.
it's also convenient having a picture of your original keyboard layout, so you can reassemble the key schema back the same again quicker
there are 3 screws at the back of it. one of them is covered by a void warranty sticker which you have to remove (because there is a screw hidden behind it). afaik these warranty stickers may not apply in some countries where such things are not valid as the user is allow to make reasonable self repairs. i'm not too sure about our own local laws for this :/
anyway unscrew those 3 screws (fyi you will need 3 screw driver types for this entire process for later).
then next step is to peel off the cover. It's wedge on tight with some sort of clippings. To remove it, had to use a flat head screw driver to wiggle some space to loosen it up from all sides. You can then apply some force to open it up. I use 2 flat head screw drivers to open it from opposing sides to make the process easier.
once you manage to open the keyboard front cover, you can further open it further to access the lower half of the keyboard. There are 2 screws you unscrew ( i use a 2nd screw driver that fits it better to do it).
when thats done, do not just rip it out. there is a connecting wire you need to GENTLY remove (it's easy to do no worries) by pulling it out.
Once that is done, you can also unscrew the usb connector using another screw driver to remove the 2 screws. The reason why you do this is so you can clean the back cover better by first removing that electronic component part first.
but essentially what they are suggesting is to use an aerosol cleaner so you don't end up damaging the pcb.
example
also use a tooth brush which has thistles to help you clean out the dirt. i'd be very careful if using a flat head screw driver trying to scrape off dirt as you may accidentally damage the metalic plate. using tooth brush is better.
as for keycaps, i just dump them into a bucket of water with some cleaning fluid to soak for a bit. and later to dry wipe them with a cloth later and to dry out.
anything that is wet make sure it is dried out properly. i have a fan blown on it. probably a hair dryer used sparingly may hasten the work a bit
anyway reassembled it all (make sure you keep the screws especially where you can find them. i use a toolbox for storing my parts). the only tough part about putting it back together was trying to fit on the front cover to the 2nd half of the mkb, because it has some sort of side clips which you need to firmly push the 2 parts together so it locks in properly.
I plugged it back up (after i'm certain it's dried up sufficiently), and keyboard is working fine no issues like before
there is one other thing i didn't cover, which was removing the switches. i didn't have to do that yet, but as your mkb gets used, you may notice a switch is not working well due to worned out spring? so you'd have to switch out for that problematic switch.
From what i could see, you need to desolder to remove the switch, and replace with the new one.
it's also convenient having a picture of your original keyboard layout, so you can reassemble the key schema back the same again quicker there are 3 screws at the back of it. one of them is covered by a void warranty sticker which you have to remove (because there is a screw hidden behind it). afaik these warranty stickers may not apply in some countries where such things are not valid as the user is allow to make reasonable self repairs. i'm not too sure about our own local laws for this :/
anyway unscrew those 3 screws (fyi you will need 3 screw driver types for this entire process for later).
then next step is to peel off the cover. It's wedge on tight with some sort of clippings. To remove it, had to use a flat head screw driver to wiggle some space to loosen it up from all sides. You can then apply some force to open it up. I use 2 flat head screw drivers to open it from opposing sides to make the process easier.
once you manage to open the keyboard front cover, you can further open it further to access the lower half of the keyboard. There are 2 screws you unscrew ( i use a 2nd screw driver that fits it better to do it).
when thats done, do not just rip it out. there is a connecting wire you need to GENTLY remove (it's easy to do no worries) by pulling it out.
Once that is done, you can also unscrew the usb connector using another screw driver to remove the 2 screws. The reason why you do this is so you can clean the back cover better by first removing that electronic component part first. There are some advise for cleaning electrical components http://www.circuitnet.com/experts/70402.html but essentially what they are suggesting is to use an aerosol cleaner so you don't end up damaging the pcb.
example
also use a tooth brush which has thistles to help you clean out the dirt. i'd be very careful if using a flat head screw driver trying to scrape off dirt as you may accidentally damage the metalic plate. using tooth brush is better. as for keycaps, i just dump them into a bucket of water with some cleaning fluid to soak for a bit. and later to dry wipe them with a cloth later and to dry out. anything that is wet make sure it is dried out properly. i have a fan blown on it. probably a hair dryer used sparingly may hasten the work a bit anyway reassembled it all (make sure you keep the screws especially where you can find them. i use a toolbox for storing my parts). the only tough part about putting it back together was trying to fit on the front cover to the 2nd half of the mkb, because it has some sort of side clips which you need to firmly push the 2 parts together so it locks in properly.
I plugged it back up (after i'm certain it's dried up sufficiently), and keyboard is working fine no issues like before there is one other thing i didn't cover, which was removing the switches. i didn't have to do that yet, but as your mkb gets used, you may notice a switch is not working well due to worned out spring? so you'd have to switch out for that problematic switch.
From what i could see, you need to desolder to remove the switch, and replace with the new one.
the sad truth is, your keyboard is more likely to be dirtier than your toilet so yes try and clean your keyboard from time to time. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/this...4b0010a7f3e12d9 that sums it up for mkb maintenance (hopefully you don't have to do this often)
//notes: this guide was based on the mkb i use, so yours may be different for disassembly. heads up now i can go back to gaming on fornite with a fixed keyboard
nice. it's good to clear the stuff inside boards from time to time hehe
right, each board has their own case design (for instance, ikbc f87 doesn't have a single screw to do case disassembly because they use clip-in case design)
it's also convenient having a picture of your original keyboard layout, so you can reassemble the key schema back the same again quicker there are 3 screws at the back of it. one of them is covered by a void warranty sticker which you have to remove (because there is a screw hidden behind it). afaik these warranty stickers may not apply in some countries where such things are not valid as the user is allow to make reasonable self repairs. i'm not too sure about our own local laws for this :/
anyway unscrew those 3 screws (fyi you will need 3 screw driver types for this entire process for later).
then next step is to peel off the cover. It's wedge on tight with some sort of clippings. To remove it, had to use a flat head screw driver to wiggle some space to loosen it up from all sides. You can then apply some force to open it up. I use 2 flat head screw drivers to open it from opposing sides to make the process easier.
once you manage to open the keyboard front cover, you can further open it further to access the lower half of the keyboard. There are 2 screws you unscrew ( i use a 2nd screw driver that fits it better to do it).
when thats done, do not just rip it out. there is a connecting wire you need to GENTLY remove (it's easy to do no worries) by pulling it out.
Once that is done, you can also unscrew the usb connector using another screw driver to remove the 2 screws. The reason why you do this is so you can clean the back cover better by first removing that electronic component part first. There are some advise for cleaning electrical components http://www.circuitnet.com/experts/70402.html but essentially what they are suggesting is to use an aerosol cleaner so you don't end up damaging the pcb.
example
also use a tooth brush which has thistles to help you clean out the dirt. i'd be very careful if using a flat head screw driver trying to scrape off dirt as you may accidentally damage the metalic plate. using tooth brush is better. as for keycaps, i just dump them into a bucket of water with some cleaning fluid to soak for a bit. and later to dry wipe them with a cloth later and to dry out. anything that is wet make sure it is dried out properly. i have a fan blown on it. probably a hair dryer used sparingly may hasten the work a bit anyway reassembled it all (make sure you keep the screws especially where you can find them. i use a toolbox for storing my parts). the only tough part about putting it back together was trying to fit on the front cover to the 2nd half of the mkb, because it has some sort of side clips which you need to firmly push the 2 parts together so it locks in properly.
I plugged it back up (after i'm certain it's dried up sufficiently), and keyboard is working fine no issues like before there is one other thing i didn't cover, which was removing the switches. i didn't have to do that yet, but as your mkb gets used, you may notice a switch is not working well due to worned out spring? so you'd have to switch out for that problematic switch.
From what i could see, you need to desolder to remove the switch, and replace with the new one.
the sad truth is, your keyboard is more likely to be dirtier than your toilet so yes try and clean your keyboard from time to time. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/this...4b0010a7f3e12d9 that sums it up for mkb maintenance (hopefully you don't have to do this often)
//notes: this guide was based on the mkb i use, so yours may be different for disassembly. heads up now i can go back to gaming on fornite with a fixed keyboard
not assembled yet, probably some time this month. and i might have to sell my almost new, lubed, silence-x hhkb right after that or else im gonna eat maggi and bread only everyday
not assembled yet, probably some time this month. and i might have to sell my almost new, lubed, silence-x hhkb right after that or else im gonna eat maggi and bread only everyday
nice. it's good to clear the stuff inside boards from time to time hehe
right, each board has their own case design (for instance, ikbc f87 doesn't have a single screw to do case disassembly because they use clip-in case design)
yeah, normally i just remove keycap only (i used to use a plastic keycap puller, but that is not durable and broke. i replaced it for a filco keycap puller which uses thing metal grippers) and clean that. only this time i went for a proper cleaning, and boy it was dirtier than i expected
but for my keyboard, i think the disassembly process is not bad, i give it a 9/10 (most of the issue was the effort needed to pry apart the plastic locking mechanism). but any future mkb purchases by me, this will definitely be on my checklist "how easy is it to open up mkb to clean it".
i could not truly fully disassemble, because the last step for separating the switches from the pcb would have required desoldering, which frankly was not something i was up for.
i'm generally fine with my keyboard, but this early model did have a defect, that the hole to allow the usb cable through was too narrow. thats my only gripe about it
QUOTE(irsyadfy @ Oct 1 2018, 09:35 AM)
nice general info on cleaning mkbs.
keep up the good work !
ty
QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Mar 18 2018, 04:33 PM)
These rapid-i at RM 100, I learnt that experienced enthusiasts made decision very fast. And new players take long time decisions, and many tends to become kaki airplane. This kind of symptom is always there in the community, experienced players always have big advantage because they understand what they are buying.
Still, the current mkb community, i can see is much lower amount of knowledge, they join the group for the sake of having many groups in their profile. Can conclude, the community is running the reverse gear compared to nearby countries community.
The passion, attitude, culture. purchasing power are the downfall of our current group. It's super sad, people telling you last time mkb club is much more better because less toxic and less sohai and cb kia. lol.
QUOTE(zorbyss. @ Mar 19 2018, 10:46 AM)
I can understand how some ppl wander around the gaming peripheral space and suddenly stumble across the MKB community.
You can't really label them as "enthusiast". They just want a nice gamer-y looking keyboard with blings( which they think it's nice) and bugger off. This is where the affordable chinese boards come in. Aula ada LED at RM150, Filco x da. Bodo la. *beli Aula*
They don't have the passion to study more and venture deeper. Altering switches, solder/desolder, spending huge bucks on caps (c'mon, to normal ppl, RM500 for a set of plastic caps? They laugh).
Afterall, MKB is still a really niche passion. Not everyone willing to spend so much on something they deem valueless. One man's trash is another man's treasure.
Buying power can be one of the largest showstopper for some ppl but I think it's more of value proposition. Looking at these rapid-i for Rm100 for example, to some ppl, these are "fishy" stuff. "Why so cheap ah? Spoilt ah? Cannot use ah? Condition how ah? Need repair ah? LED how ah? I will consider bro." then FFK. Like you said, ppl like us will know what to do with it the moment we see it on sale. Desolder and selling the switches alone worth almost the price paid. At least, to me, I get 87 Cherry housing I still have the PCB and the casing (gonna repaint it).
I'm pretty sure the ones who bought them will mostly revamp the entire board instead of using it as it is.
QUOTE(horns @ Mar 19 2018, 02:48 PM)
your points are spot-on about our current mkb community.
mkb is a general and over-simplified marketing term now, nothing related to what a true mkb community is after. hence, most users have a very shallow knowledge of mkbs, established based on marketing, and over-glorified yet crappy prebuilts. (.. and most of them thought they're very good already) however, some of these users will eventually realize the obvious differences, and start to appreciate true values of the actual mkb community.
still, i'm pretty optimistic about our mkb community
all interesting comments about our mkb community. just wanted to share my own 50cents worth to the subject.
even if.... the mkb community as is, may not necessarily be as active as it use to, and conversation is sporadic or maybe by fewer participants, i feel that there has been enough awareness about mkbs in general, increased mkb availability in local market and cheaper pricing for mkbs speaks volumes to it's popularity and success as re-emergence for quality keyboards.
Numbers represent search interest relative to the highest point on the chart for the given region and time. A value of 100 is the peak popularity for the term. A value of 50 means that the term is half as popular. A score of 0 means that there was not enough data for this term.
So it's mission accomplished as far as i'm concerned.
conversation for the sake of conversation was never the point to begin with; nor was showing off or elitism (though it may look that way to outsiders peering into our community that misconstrue our passion delving further into this hobby/poison). we got the conversation and awareness started/rolling and it has already taken effect in a big way that i never really expected i'd be one of the original influencers for our locality for mkbs (credits also to the thread organizers who have kept this mkb club thread/threads going, or even just an ordinary participant who added to the conversation productively).
so good job everyone
-sincerely yours, the original mass mkb poisoner/vampire, Moogle
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Oct 6 2018, 05:41 AM)
Why does India LOVE this Keyboard??
yeah, normally i just remove keycap only (i used to use a plastic keycap puller, but that is not durable and broke. i replaced it for a filco keycap puller which uses thing metal grippers) and clean that. only this time i went for a proper cleaning, and boy it was dirtier than i expected
but for my keyboard, i think the disassembly process is not bad, i give it a 9/10 (most of the issue was the effort needed to pry apart the plastic locking mechanism). but any future mkb purchases by me, this will definitely be on my checklist "how easy is it to open up mkb to clean it".
i could not truly fully disassemble, because the last step for separating the switches from the pcb would have required desoldering, which frankly was not something i was up for.
i'm generally fine with my keyboard, but this early model did have a defect, that the hole to allow the usb cable through was too narrow. thats my only gripe about it ty all interesting comments about our mkb community. just wanted to share my own 50cents worth to the subject.
even if.... the mkb community as is, may not necessarily be as active as it use to, and conversation is sporadic or maybe by fewer participants, i feel that there has been enough awareness about mkbs in general, increased mkb availability in local market and cheaper pricing for mkbs speaks volumes to it's popularity and success as re-emergence for quality keyboards.
So it's mission accomplished as far as i'm concerned.
conversation for the sake of conversation was never the point to begin with; nor was showing off or elitism (though it may look that way to outsiders peering into our community that misconstrue our passion delving further into this hobby/poison). we got the conversation and awareness started/rolling and it has already taken effect in a big way that i never really expected i'd be one of the original influencers for our locality for mkbs (credits also to the thread organizers who have kept this mkb club thread/threads going, or even just an ordinary participant who added to the conversation productively).
so good job everyone -sincerely yours, the original mass mkb poisoner/vampire, Moogle
a nice looking-back writeup
imo the main difference between mkb community and the rest of mkb users is whether the individual treats mkbs as hobby, or not. only when you treat it as hobby that you learn and know options that you can have, explore them, and find out the best possible combinations that suit you better.
but then, i agree with the saying, different strokes for different folks. we all have our own preferences and budgets. some are fine with oem/prebuilts; some go for typing feels; some go for looks; some are collectors, etc. to me, it's all good. in some ways we all help drive practical innovations of mkbs, like the existence of ready-made modular boards, which provide more user flexibility and convenience, and help strengthen user basics about mkbs (if their owners chose to), or the vast switch options that we can have now.
i believe eventually most mkb users will be able to differentiate good and bad boards, so that basic but good qualities are not excluded in oem/prebuilts, in exchange of low price tags.
This post has been edited by horns: Oct 6 2018, 04:33 PM
talking about modular boards, if you planned to get new modular boards, hold that thought for a bit and wait for reviews on tecware phantom elite. it should be at the store very soon.
compared to previous outemu-based phantom rgb, this new model supports switches from other brands (cherry mx, gateron, kailh, etc.). it should be priced at the affordable range too, according to the source: https://www.facebook.com/tecwaremalaysia