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post Jun 12 2020, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(NightHeart @ Jun 12 2020, 03:50 PM)
I actually went to Digital Mall yesterday to look for demo set to try. Managed to try 1 only cause not many available. And i don't even know what i'm trying lol. Seems like their online business is so good, they're neglecting offline customers  sweat.gif

So if i'm looking for a quiet switch, not clicky i guess, what should I be looking for? Especially for entry level ones. Possible if the switches are short? Low profile i think is the term for it.
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ok maybe things have changed during mco. IPA might spoil the paint on stock caps.

normally you should check out switch types (linear, tactile, and clicky; normal or low-profile) to see which one you're more comfortable with; then maybe features, e.g., form factors; layout; typing angle; with detachable cable or fixed; type of keycaps; type of stabilizers (for demo units, most of the times their stabilizers are bad); type of case (low- or high-profile) and plate.
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post Jun 12 2020, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Jun 12 2020, 05:25 PM)
Online shopping is fun...but don't just leave them in their boxes ya. Lol
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hahaha. that's what im doing now.
buy buy, leave aside.

now wanting to buy a solder station, but no stock.
after buying that, ill start the journey of modding.
i have all the small2 parts oledy. just need the major part to desolder my kibod.

anyway, what solder iron u use to desolder ur board?
is it hard to desolder the factory solder?
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post Jun 12 2020, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(irsyadfy @ Jun 12 2020, 05:35 PM)
hahaha. that's what im doing now.
buy buy, leave aside.

now wanting to buy a solder station, but no stock.
after buying that, ill start the journey of modding.
i have all the small2 parts oledy. just need the major part to desolder my kibod.

anyway, what solder iron u use to desolder ur board?
is it hard to desolder the factory solder?
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I'm using a Hakko Presto with chisel tip plus a cheap desoldering iron. If I didn't already have the Hakko, I'd probably go with a T12 type iron below. Based on the product review on Lazada, I believe one of the regulars here already bought it but he found some issues with the housing?

QUOTE(niakulah @ Feb 20 2020, 05:36 PM)
KBDFans have not resumed shipping yet, on Discord they said 2 weeks from 11/2/2020, so I have some time to decide on soldering equipment.

Here comes a new contender:
https://www.lazada.com.my/products/ksger-t1....4d5d49fbOAY6aR

Using the supposedly vastly superior T12 tips which are directly heated instead of using a ceramic heating element. With a good review as well:
https://www.rchelicopterfun.com/t12-soldering-station.html

Decisions decisions.  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(niakulah @ May 1 2020, 02:30 PM)
Mini review of this desoldering iron.
https://shopee.com.my/product/40205456/1568468273?smtt=0.0.9
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It works! It really does. It doesn't really get hot enough to melt lead free solder, but there are ways around that:
1. Melt/reflow the solder joint with a normal soldering iron, add some leaded solder with flux to the joint.
2. Use the desoldering iron, it should be able to melt the joint now.
3. Suck!

Once I established my technique, I had about 12 switches left to do in the numpad, so 24 pins. All but 3 I cleaned out with a single suck. Just under 90% success rate. The other 3 I just added more solder and sucked it again.
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My harvest this morning.
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So happy with this very cheap tool!
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post Jun 12 2020, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 12 2020, 05:30 PM)
ok maybe things have changed during mco. IPA might spoil the paint on stock caps.

normally you should check out switch types (linear, tactile, and clicky; normal or low-profile) to see which one you're more comfortable with; then maybe features, e.g., form factors; layout; typing angle; with detachable cable or fixed; type of keycaps; type of stabilizers (for demo units, most of the times their stabilizers are bad); type of case (low- or high-profile) and plate.
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Yea, those are the things i wanna check out. Hence I'm looking for a place that has demo units for those. The best option is still either Digital Mall or Lowyat Plaza? Those distributor of tecware, ducky etc don't have demo sets in their showroom?
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post Jun 12 2020, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(NightHeart @ Jun 12 2020, 06:32 PM)
Yea, those are the things i wanna check out. Hence I'm looking for a place that has demo units for those. The best option is still either Digital Mall or Lowyat Plaza? Those distributor of tecware, ducky etc don't have demo sets in their showroom?
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sorry i have no idea.
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post Jun 12 2020, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Jun 12 2020, 06:18 PM)
I'm using a Hakko Presto with chisel tip plus a cheap desoldering iron. If I didn't already have the Hakko, I'd probably go with a T12 type iron below. Based on the product review on Lazada, I believe one of the regulars here already bought it but he found some issues with the housing?
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another new info for me.

any diff the t12 type iron compare to old one like those 936 soldering stations?

i am actually looking at one specific kasada936. cost only rm70 on shopee without shipping.
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post Jun 12 2020, 07:37 PM

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hello guys, what is the the type & length of screw that can be use to fix plate and pcb altogether? is it m2 20mm?

because currently if i use stock screw, it will only fix the the pcb over the case and the plate is just like hanging/held by switches.
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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 12 2020, 06:38 PM)
sorry i have no idea.
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Alright, no worries. More research for me then lol.
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post Jun 12 2020, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(irsyadfy @ Jun 12 2020, 06:58 PM)
another new info for me.

any diff the t12 type iron compare to old one like those 936 soldering stations?

i am actually looking at one specific kasada936. cost only rm70 on shopee without shipping.
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Quick heat up time. T12 is also a Hakko design. Used in the 951 which IINM is the successor to the 936.
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QUOTE(taf89 @ Jun 12 2020, 07:37 PM)
the plate is just like hanging/held by switches.
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Generally that is how it works for most case types. Is there an issue that you are trying to solve?
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post Jun 12 2020, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Jun 12 2020, 08:07 PM)
Quick heat up time. T12 is also a Hakko design. Used in the 951 which IINM is the successor to the 936.
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now u r poisoning me.

but its ok i think, cheapo me will use the cheapest one.
rm70 wins.

but thanks for the info, will bookmark for future reference.
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QUOTE(irsyadfy @ Jun 12 2020, 06:58 PM)
another new info for me.

any diff the t12 type iron compare to old one like those 936 soldering stations?

i am actually looking at one specific kasada936. cost only rm70 on shopee without shipping.
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T12 style iron/tips are "better" then typical 900M style tips for 1 reason. The heatercore is already built into the tips instead of the soldering "gun" attachment, faster heat up, more consistent heat. For a hobbyist, the standard 900M or T18 tips are good enough, I would recommend splurging on original Hakko tips for better results.

QUOTE(taf89 @ Jun 12 2020, 07:37 PM)
hello guys, what is the the type & length of screw that can be use to fix plate and pcb altogether? is it m2 20mm?

because currently if i use stock screw, it will only fix the the pcb over the case and the plate is just like hanging/held by switches.
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Typically M2 4mm to 6mm or so, you're supposed to only screw the PCB into the case, the plate is held by the switches which in normal soldered builds, is not an issue at all. If you really want to lock down the plate along, add 5mm to the screw size, and also you'll need to add a 3.5mm "washer" in between the plate and PCB.
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QUOTE(GRexer @ Jun 12 2020, 10:50 PM)
T12 style iron/tips are "better" then typical 900M style tips for 1 reason. The heatercore is already built into the tips instead of the soldering "gun" attachment, faster heat up, more consistent heat. For a hobbyist, the standard 900M or T18 tips are good enough, I would recommend splurging on original Hakko tips  for better results.
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so T12 =/= T18 right?
good enough so u mean, T12 is the bestest of 900M and T18 style iron?

and yep, i forgot about splurging on original Hakko tips.
so it would be RM70 + Hakko tips. i donno the price of original Hakko tips.
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post Jun 12 2020, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(NightHeart @ Jun 12 2020, 07:58 PM)
Alright, no worries. More research for me then lol.
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it's been a while since my last visit to those places for mkbs, so yeah. really out now lol

QUOTE(irsyadfy @ Jun 12 2020, 11:32 PM)
so T12 =/= T18 right?
good enough so u mean, T12 is the bestest of 900M and T18 style iron?

and yep, i forgot about splurging on original Hakko tips.
so it would be RM70 + Hakko tips. i donno the price of original Hakko tips.
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following GRexer's advice, i also use kasadi 936 + hakko tip hahaha!

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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 12 2020, 11:43 PM)
following GRexer's advice, i also use kasadi 936 + hakko tip hahaha!
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kasadi is in stock. just mahal abit.
but me being a cheapo, so finding the cheapest.
shop said maybe mid/end of july will have stock. sanggup tunggu ! lol
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post Jun 13 2020, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(irsyadfy @ Jun 12 2020, 11:47 PM)
kasadi is in stock. just mahal abit.
but me being a cheapo, so finding the cheapest.
shop said maybe mid/end of july will have stock. sanggup tunggu ! lol
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sweet haha!

for soldering, i still use this one most of the times, with 3.2 chisel tip, https://sea.banggood.com/907-Constant-Tempe...ur_warehouse=CN
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QUOTE(irsyadfy @ Jun 12 2020, 11:32 PM)
so T12 =/= T18 right?
good enough so u mean, T12 is the bestest of 900M and T18 style iron?

and yep, i forgot about splurging on original Hakko tips.
so it would be RM70 + Hakko tips. i donno the price of original Hakko tips.
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T12 is different from T18. T18 is similar to 900M. T12 has the heatercore in the tip, hence the price per tip also costs more. T18/900M has the heatercore in the handle.
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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 13 2020, 12:01 AM)
sweet haha!

for soldering, i still use this one most of the times, with 3.2 chisel tip, https://sea.banggood.com/907-Constant-Tempe...ur_warehouse=CN
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i notice for soldering, as long as soldering iron melts the solder, is good enough.
for desoldering, diff story.

or am i wrong?

QUOTE(GRexer @ Jun 13 2020, 12:22 AM)
T12 is different from T18. T18 is similar to 900M. T12 has the heatercore in the tip, hence the price per tip also costs more. T18/900M has the heatercore in the handle.
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thank you sifu for the explaination.
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QUOTE(irsyadfy @ Jun 13 2020, 12:48 AM)
i notice for soldering, as long as soldering iron melts the solder, is good enough.
for desoldering, diff story.

or am i wrong?

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yes. that's about it to me for soldering lol

with good solder, desoldering also become easy.
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post Jun 13 2020, 05:51 PM

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Bottom foam done, finally! This is as far as I'm willing to go.
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And I think I took it pretty damn far. 52 individual pieces.
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So for keeb science, I tested the sound with and without the bottom foam. For the test I removed the foam between PCB and plate.

The sound is nearly the same. Minor improvement only at certain locations, notably the navigation cluster.

Well at least I can say that doing it was not an entire waste of time.

Oh and in case you say that tuning a keyboard is a waste of time in the first place; shoo, this thread is not for you. Lol.

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