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post May 16 2020, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(irsyadfy @ May 15 2020, 11:11 PM)
obviously.

maybe taihao is the cheapest that i can accept the font.
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yes, it's still acceptable in terms of values for money.

however, once you move on to thicker pbt options, very likely you will not go back to them.

QUOTE(taf89 @ May 16 2020, 12:07 AM)
i tried to use my brother`s computer. miraculously his pc detecting the keyboard and also the key switch is functioning well.
i use switch hitter and found out that my ymdk96 is successfully flashed before.

but then when i put it back to my pc, the switch is not working doh.gif  doh.gif
i think there is driver issue in my pc  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
i don`t know what should i do..
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good smile.gif at least now we have narrowed down to the real cause: driver issues on your compurer, not wild guesses anymore.

you can try to remove all related keyboard drivers in your device manager, and reinstall them. usually this should resolve it. alternatively, try using other usb ports also.

worst comes to worst, just do a clean os install and starts everything fresh. edit: this is the worst case scenario. usually there is no need to do this.


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post May 16 2020, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ May 16 2020, 12:55 AM)

good smile.gif at least now we have narrowed down to the real cause: driver issues on your compurer, not wild guesses anymore.

you can try to remove all related keyboard drivers in your device manager, and reinstall them. usually this should resolve it. alternatively, try using other usb ports also.

worst comes to worst, just do a clean os install and starts everything fresh. edit: this is the worst case scenario. usually there is no need to do this.
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i will try to do it today.
right now, i`m still afraid to flash my keyboard. 8 hours in front of my pc trying to figure out what is wrong with my keyboard yesterday shakehead.gif
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post May 16 2020, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(taf89 @ May 16 2020, 09:40 AM)
i will try to do it today.
right now, i`m still afraid to flash my keyboard. 8 hours in front of my pc trying to figure out what is wrong with my keyboard yesterday shakehead.gif
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don't worry too much. the actual problem is driver issues, not firmware flashing. unless real shits happen, you're always on the safer side.

qmk is one of the most reliable firmware platforms that we have. i still do dumb things many times, mainly flashing wrong firmware to my builds. all i need to do is to flash them with the right one. everything is fine again.

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post May 16 2020, 03:31 PM

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Can anyone help to advice where I can fix my Razer Blackwidow Ultimate in KL/PJ area? My "S" key is not functioning anymore

Of all the keys on the keyboard, the S key spoiled 😭
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post May 16 2020, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(x3oNv3 @ May 16 2020, 03:31 PM)
Can anyone help to advice where I can fix my Razer Blackwidow Ultimate in KL/PJ area? My "S" key is not functioning anymore

Of all the keys on the keyboard, the S key spoiled 😭
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you should contact GRexer and see.
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post May 16 2020, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ May 16 2020, 12:55 AM)
yes, it's still acceptable in terms of values for money.

however, once you move on to thicker pbt options, very likely you will not go back to them.

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owh we talking bout taihao pbt? never tried them thou. haha whistling.gif

but cant deny having a thicker caps regardless pbt or abs is indeed hnnggghhh
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post May 16 2020, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(irsyadfy @ May 16 2020, 05:59 PM)
owh we talking bout taihao pbt? never tried them thou. haha  whistling.gif

but cant deny having a thicker caps regardless pbt or abs is indeed hnnggghhh
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yes i was talking about taihao pbt haha

well, given the wall thickness doesn't interfere with key travels (depending on profiles), right, thicker abs/pbt caps really contribute to better typing sound and feel.

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post May 17 2020, 05:00 PM

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Hi sifus. I'm fairly new to mech KB world. Previously owned a china brand mech KB with Blue Outemu stwitches but that 's all. I have few questions.

1) What is the best, bang for the buck way to get back into the world of mech KB? (Budget <300) Ideally i want to avoid China brands on Shopee (are they good at all?)

2) I'm mainly interested in TKL keyboards, like those 60%, 75%, etc. but I would like to know, from those 60% layout users, how do you deal with not having Pg Up Pg Down and the F1-F12 keys?

Thanks!

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post May 17 2020, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(ming24 @ May 17 2020, 05:00 PM)
Hi sifus. I'm fairly new to mech KB world. Previously owned a china brand mech KB with Blue Outemu stwitches but that 's all. I have few questions.

1) What is the best, bang for the buck way to get back into the world of mech KB? (Budget <300) Ideally i want to avoid China brands on Shopee (are they good at all?)

2) I'm mainly interested in TKL keyboards, like those 60%, 75%, etc. but I would like to know, from those 60% layout users, how do you deal with not having Pg Up Pg Down  and the F1-F12 keys?

Thanks!
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1. to start, you can get a modular board, like tecware phantom elite tkl. it supports switch hot-swapping, so you can just use it to try out different cherry mx compatible switches.

2. first of all, tkl is tkl. it is not the same as 60%, 75%, etc. for 60%, we put those keys in another layer, that can be accessed via the combination of fn key + key that we have assigned to represent those keys, e.g., f1 equals to fn + 1, fn + p equals to print screen, etc.
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post May 17 2020, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(ming24 @ May 17 2020, 05:00 PM)
Hi sifus. I'm fairly new to mech KB world. Previously owned a china brand mech KB with Blue Outemu stwitches but that 's all. I have few questions.

1) What is the best, bang for the buck way to get back into the world of mech KB? (Budget <300) Ideally i want to avoid China brands on Shopee (are they good at all?)

2) I'm mainly interested in TKL keyboards, like those 60%, 75%, etc. but I would like to know, from those 60% layout users, how do you deal with not having Pg Up Pg Down  and the F1-F12 keys?

Thanks!
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not a sifu but just trying to help.
first of all, welcome to Mech KB. welcome to the rabbit hole.

1) dunno best bang for buck kibod, but i think as horns said it, u can try Tekware Phantom Elite. its a hot swapable kibod so u can just swap switches to try diff switches and its easier to disassemble to tweek ur kibod making it better. As for China brands, GKxx(notably GK61 and GK64) is China brand and its one of the suggested brand since its also hot swapable and after fine tuning it, its good enuff i can say.

2) 60% is 60%, 75% is 75%, and TKL is usually 80% with 87-keys(ansi) and 88-keys(iso). The 60% users still have their Pg Up, Pg Down, and all the other keys. it is just hidden under layers. just like using a laptop kibod where u hit FN+something to get something. If purely typing/work, i can live with 60%. but if browsing/gaming, i prefer 80% or 100% since im lazy to hit 2 buttons to get something.
Anyway, the reason some ppl use smaller kibod is bcoz less hand movement. everything is within reach so u dont need to move much. Try googling 40% kibod. U can get a full layout just within finger reach. u dont even need to move ur wrist.

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post May 18 2020, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(ming24 @ May 17 2020, 05:00 PM)
Hi sifus. I'm fairly new to mech KB world. Previously owned a china brand mech KB with Blue Outemu stwitches but that 's all. I have few questions.

1) What is the best, bang for the buck way to get back into the world of mech KB? (Budget <300) Ideally i want to avoid China brands on Shopee (are they good at all?)

2) I'm mainly interested in TKL keyboards, like those 60%, 75%, etc. but I would like to know, from those 60% layout users, how do you deal with not having Pg Up Pg Down  and the F1-F12 keys?

Thanks!
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get ikbc cd87. bang for bucks. taiwan brand. Or ducky maybe for slightly more than 300?
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post May 18 2020, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(GRexer @ May 2 2020, 06:29 PM)
Chisels too take a very long time. I ever went to the extent of trying to get a square punch, no luck getting it in the right size.
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I'm bored waiting for my films to arrive, so I was re-reading this thread.

If I had to foam another board, I might try to buy one of these first:
1. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32952585534...3c00FXUr6A&mp=1 15 mm variant
2. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32988097044...3c00FXUr6A&mp=1 Set 1 comes with a 15mmx15mm square
3. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/40004699001...3c00FXUr6A&mp=1 14mmx2mm oval punch

My plate's holes are exactly 15mmx15mm. Switch bottoms taper slightly so they won't be 15mm once it passes the thickness of the plate. This plus the fact that the foam has a little give makes me think that actually a 14x14 square would be ideal, then the foam would really 'hug' the switch.
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post May 18 2020, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(irsyadfy @ May 17 2020, 10:21 PM)
not a sifu but just trying to help.
first of all, welcome to Mech KB. welcome to the rabbit hole.

1) dunno best bang for buck kibod, but i think as horns said it, u can try Tekware Phantom Elite. its a hot swapable kibod so u can just swap switches to try diff switches and its easier to disassemble to tweek ur kibod making it better. As for China brands, GKxx(notably GK61 and GK64) is China brand and its one of the suggested brand since its also hot swapable and after fine tuning it, its good enuff i can say.

2) 60% is 60%, 75% is 75%, and TKL is usually 80% with 87-keys(ansi) and 88-keys(iso). The 60% users still have their Pg Up, Pg Down, and all the other keys. it is just hidden under layers. just like using a laptop kibod where u hit FN+something to get something. If purely typing/work, i can live with 60%. but if browsing/gaming, i prefer 80% or 100% since im lazy to hit 2 buttons to get something.
Anyway, the reason some ppl use smaller kibod is bcoz less hand movement. everything is within reach so u dont need to move much. Try googling 40% kibod. U can get a full layout just within finger reach. u dont even need to move ur wrist.
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QUOTE(Jay Chua CC @ May 18 2020, 12:07 PM)
get ikbc cd87. bang for bucks. taiwan brand. Or ducky maybe for slightly more than 300?
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all suggestions are decent. let him choose hehe

QUOTE(niakulah @ May 18 2020, 06:04 PM)
I'm bored waiting for my films to arrive, so I was re-reading this thread.

If I had to foam another board, I might try to buy one of these first:
1. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32952585534...3c00FXUr6A&mp=1  15 mm variant
2. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32988097044...3c00FXUr6A&mp=1  Set 1 comes with a 15mmx15mm square
3. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/40004699001...3c00FXUr6A&mp=1  14mmx2mm oval punch

My plate's holes are exactly 15mmx15mm. Switch bottoms taper slightly so they won't be 15mm once it passes the thickness of the plate. This plus the fact that the foam has a little give makes me think that actually a 14x14 square would be ideal, then the foam would really 'hug' the switch.
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wow nice! these will make the process relatively easier haha

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post May 20 2020, 05:21 AM

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5 Reasons Why Razer’s Optical Switches Are Superior To Mechanical Ones
By Abdullah Saad

Wondering which keyboard to buy? The Huntsman Elite with Razer's new optical switches might be the answer

The Razer Optical Switches use a completely different actuation method when compared to traditional mechanical switches. While most premium keyboards out there actuate using a metallic contact inside the switch, Razer uses a light beam for every single one of its keys.

A light beam passes through the switch stem when a key is pressed, which then actuates via a receiver that sends the corresponding signal to the computer - bringing actuation at the speed of light. The new Razer Optical Switches also include an additional key stability bar (the silver one seen on the GIF on the left) which reduces key wobble and makes the experience feel more consistent. A balanced keypress is achieved across all four corners of the keycap regardless of the press-down location.

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This is probly a paid promo piece, so take with a grain of salt. still interesting read, also optical switches, i don't doubt they are WAY better than rubber dome keyboard. And they probably have an edge over the standard mechanical switches, because it makes use of optical technology for better responsiveness smile.gif

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post May 20 2020, 09:07 AM

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jay's review of the Logitech G915 Wireless Gaming Mechanical RGB Keyboard. says he overspent on it sad.gif



a 2nd opinion cool2.gif


wireless, low profile mkb hmm.gif

with roughly 30 hours continous usage battery life.

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post May 20 2020, 09:12 AM

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Bonus video by linus

Which Mechanical Keyboard Switches are BEST? Blind Test!



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my own vote is cherry mx brown laugh.gif

i liked cherry mx red for linear because easy to type on. but it lacks tactile feedback, and at times it feels like the actuation is too light, that i may accidentally actuate. this is why between that and brown, i prefer browns better smile.gif

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post May 20 2020, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ May 20 2020, 09:12 AM)
Bonus video by linus

Which Mechanical Keyboard Switches are BEST? Blind Test!
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i liked cherry mx red for linear because easy to type on. but it lacks tactile feedback, and at times it feels like the actuation is too light, that i may accidentally actuate. this is why between that and brown, i prefer browns better  smile.gif
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Yay Cherry browns! I get accidental actuations even on browns, especially on the sides where I have a habit of resting my hands. That's why on my current daily driver I spring swapped all the mods to 80g.

On my next project (still waiting for my freaking films!!!!), I plan to spring swap all to 67g, also Cherry browns.

But after watching that video, and with my personal experience on the quality of C3 stabs, I now have a strong desire to try out C3 tangerines....

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post May 20 2020, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ May 20 2020, 09:12 AM)
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my own vote is cherry mx brown laugh.gif

i liked cherry mx red for linear because easy to type on. but it lacks tactile feedback, and at times it feels like the actuation is too light, that i may accidentally actuate. this is why between that and brown, i prefer browns better  smile.gif
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right, always use own-preferred switches that we're most comfortable with.

tuned cherry mx red with their black nylon housings and stock springs is my all-time favorite. it's partly because i don't have mistyping issues with it.

QUOTE(niakulah @ May 20 2020, 11:04 AM)
Yay Cherry browns! I get accidental actuations even on browns, especially on the sides where I have a habit of resting my hands. That's why on my current daily driver I spring swapped all the mods to 80g.

On my next project (still waiting for my freaking films!!!!), I plan to spring swap all to 67g, also Cherry browns.

But after watching that video, and with my personal experience on the quality of C3 stabs, I now have a strong desire to try out C3 tangerines....
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for switch films, you can grab them here for now, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4946031 (limited quantity)

tangerines is about its uhmwpe housings i guess. well, a new housing material. it might be worth trying some.

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post May 20 2020, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ May 20 2020, 12:27 PM)
right, always use own-preferred switches that we're most comfortable with.

tuned cherry mx red with their black nylon housings and stock springs is my all-time favorite. it's partly because i don't have mistyping issues with it.
for switch films, you can grab them here for now, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4946031 (limited quantity)

tangerines is about its uhmwpe housings i guess. well, a new housing material. it might be worth trying some.
some of those on the blind test, i never tested myself, so not sure about those. but interesting how they scored higher than the mx reds and mx blues hmm.gif

i like cherry mx brown because it has tactile feedback. with linear, you are mostly bottoming out, is good for gaming.

but if you don't bottom out, then tactitle is best, because it has the bump feedback to remind you, that you actuated.

because these days i no longer look at the keys while i type. instead i type by feel, and the tactile feedback reminds me that i actuated the key, making typing more pleasant and sure thumbup.gif



anyway just wondering, did anyone here try the Logitech G915 Wireless Gaming Mechanical RGB Keyboard ? is wireless mkb a thing to be taken seriously?

the normal mkb with cable, if you have desk Grommets, the cabling should be safely tucked away that way. but if you don't yes it can get a bit messy having cables.

my worry about wireless for keyboard is if that is a security risk somehow, whether typing can be intercepted using keylogging for wireless devices.

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https://thehackernews.com/2016/07/wireless-keylogger.html




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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ May 20 2020, 02:42 PM)
some of those on the blind test, i never tested myself, so not sure about those. but interesting how they scored higher than the mx reds and mx blues  hmm.gif

i like cherry mx brown because it has tactile feedback. with linear, you are mostly bottoming out, is good for gaming.

but if you don't bottom out, then tactitle is best, because it has the bump feedback to remind you, that you actuated.

because these days i no longer look at the keys while i type. instead i type by feel, and the tactile feedback reminds me that i actuated the key, making typing more pleasant and sure  thumbup.gif

anyway just wondering, did anyone here try the Logitech G915 Wireless Gaming Mechanical RGB Keyboard ? is wireless mkb a thing to be taken seriously?

the normal mkb with cable, if you have desk Grommets, the cabling should be safely tucked away that way. but if you don't yes it can get a bit messy having cables.

my worry about wireless for keyboard is if that is a security risk somehow, whether typing can be intercepted using keylogging for wireless devices.

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https://thehackernews.com/2016/07/wireless-keylogger.html
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to me, it's about individual preferences.

tactile feed back does help. it's just that my typing habits make me press keys enough to actuate, even with linear switches like red. with heavier springs (like that of gat black), there will be an additional but mild cushioned and push-back feel when the key is actuated. to me, heavier spring weights will prevent me from bottoming out.

about wireless keylogging, imo it's due to poor security implementations by manufacturers. in this case, they use unencrypted methods to transmit signals. standards like bluetooth have such security protocols. however, how sure are you that manufacturers do implement them in their products, with additional measures that could have be done, on top of standards, without sacrificing too much on battery life and usability?

i'm lazy to learn more. so i just use wired hehe


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