get a 2nd healer >.>

hybrid if ur confident... full heal spec if ur not.

or, hybrid if you lack dps, full heal if you dont lack dps at all.

either up to you or the dps'ers... or even the tank if he can:
1) hold enough aggro
2) mitigate enough damage

dont see a problem right there so long i have good healers.

rollin with shamans makes happy melees, true story.

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Added on May 8, 2007, 5:30 pmwhy kite when standing still shooting yields much higher dps?

so long ur tanking skills/gear to produce enough aggro/mitigation, tank multiple targets even in hard heroics isnt a big deal.

like the slave pens defenders, our tank tanks both of them anyways... sure, they hit me for 8-10k... but on a tank that has decent enough mitigation, and good healers, it doesnt matter. and i can kidneyshot them time to time... and no one have to kite... 1 goes down in mere seconds, and the other one being alone, doesnt pose a threat at all.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: May 8 2007, 05:30 PM

that is seriously the dumbest shit ive heard for quite some time, seriously take creativity right there.

imo if you constantly get aggro pulled, sorry, its YOUR threat sucking or ur partty thinks its cool busting out trinkets and shit before the tank even manage to do shit.

and why need to wait for sap? rogues that pure dps dont sap anyways, waste of energy and time. just have the tank to tank that one additional guy and have heals stepped up a lil for just a short while.

and wait for dps? not sure what kinda of rogues you party with, but i sure as hell dont wait for dps. if the tank cant keep up to my innate -29% aggro, he prolly shouldnt be tanking in the first place anyways.

not sure on your "nuking ur whole way runs", but for my runs, so long i can get a pally or priest(resto shams will do too but its very stressful for them and they usually need to mana potion), that is well geared and have very good mana conservation skills, the whole group never need to drink at all until before bosses or hard pulls, just for the added safety. last mob 5-15ish% already pulling next pull.

if the caster dps cant keep up, he'll be left behind, i can pick up the slack anyways while he have to drink. that alone is speed. sure, shadow priest VT is good, but when trash mobs died under 10 sec or so, vt will actually drain more mana than returns, with the exception to the people excluding the shadow priest.

not to disagree that they are a liability within a 5man (especially heroics), i personally also think they are. even being a rogue myself. but what your putting out in argument here is flawed at best. try better.

sets: ok setup anyways lol... just the fury warrior part.

so your trying to say tank n spank dont exist anymore in BC? how bout you be less ignorant and think straight. pretty much minus the technicality here and there for different mobs/boss/encounters, everything is a tank n spank.

and if you even think of eating fried rice to tank my aggro, ur gonna lose it, guranteed. whats even dumber, is you bring a mage and shaman that havent even break 800 spell dmg to compare with me... wow? i yield between 700-900 sustained dps depending on how buffed i am... those 700ish spell dmg people at best ill give them 600-800 sustained. sure, they can burst, but burst dmg != pve, thank you. unless all ur fight resolves in waiting for trinket cooldowns and drinking lots. then imho, thats not speed. even worse, the shaman didnt even have totem of wrath and you bring him in the picture for dps comparison... lol...

and sorry, i dont just do heroic slave pens, i do it because i havent got my midnight pants. ive done pretty much all heroics except heroic arca/heroic bota/heroic bm iirc. dont see a problem in my runs too so long i run with regulars and we clear those instances very fast too anyways.

you too, if you wanna live in ur box and being ignorant of facts, at least realize that when you wanna bring guild progressions into the picture, theres a million guilds out there that is easily over ur head. so your only making yourself look even stupid than you've already are.

i personally think that kara isnt hard either. but to have 9 others to share the same vision and dedication? not something you can always take into your hands. furthermore, gruul's and mag isnt a huge leap over what kara already is. hell people that clears gruuls and mag even skip bosses in kara such as aran or nightbane or even netherspite. its just the matter of having the people to do the 25mans, and thats what we dont have, we dont even have a kara group 2 to begin with. so really, do urself and everyone a favor, wear a -50 stupid headgear, and post less stupid post.

go supermarket buy, if ur office got pantry, can microwave it.. need the newer ones though.

and glad you enjoy the drama

manage to get a prot paladin in our guild to spec holy... from useless turn to friggin godlike... lolz...

wa ur at port klang so far? lol... why no supermarket le, they seem to be anywhere nowdays, maybe except for those really remote kampungs... what about cinema? just go buy 1 pack lolz.

your the one that link the profile, if anyone's lacking insight, its you for not forseeing this. and that mage in pvp spec? grats on being even clueless for linking that friend of yours then lmao.

and sure, dont tank and spank then. go kite bosses or w/e. im sure that really worked out for you as you 2 shot heroic bosses. damn pro right here
/lolsarcasmlol

and sorry, guild progression when your not at the top of the list doesnt mean shit, everything is been done and strats are all over the net. if you think it does mean anything, good for you, but honestly, you'll just get laughed at when ur trying to bring it into any sort of measurement.

whats even worse is claiming people that dont have decent progression or whatever lacks experience is even laughable. if thats the case, then pretty much a HUGE majority of lyn people dont have experience at all? i think not. imho the higher end raiding is not much of a difference in the basic wow game play anyways. with the strats of each fights being different and different mechanic here and there.

and wow... when did i EVER said i dun do kara? seriously, quote that shit to me, including date and post url, i REALLY wanna see that.

and am i bringing other guilds progression in to the picture? dont think so, i didnt even bring my own guild's progression into the picture. you have 10 people, or 25 people that are good, good for you, you make progression. not everyone can bring together 10/25 good and dedicated people together. until you start forming your own guild, you have no say in this. hell, many people/guilds including some in lyn also face the same problem. so if you really think its you doing it all, think again.

and pretty sure i dont go around claiming who kills what. theres someone that does that around this forum but im not naming names.

i wont deny im shifting the blame, i really am. but again, until your in charge of guilds and raids, you really have no say in this, thank you. and oh wow you suddenly know how many prot tanks i have... 3 right? ill tell you how many prot tanks we have right now, 1. way to f***ing lose that one.

and ill be honest, i dont run all my heroics with my guildies. they either dont show when there isnt raid or they dont go heroics. thats their choice, while i can just pug it up and do it anyways. not really a big deal.

if you really want proof that bad, ill just screenshot my dps for you this coming friday. no big deal. after all nothing can deny hard numbers.

kidi: not to say that everything has to be tanked and not cc/kite etc. theres always an option and every group has their preference and advantage in certain methods.

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Added on May 9, 2007, 5:04 pmnever go port klang how to know lol... and i dunno what site is that, prolly best to not open... very busy at work today... kena tembak by boss too QQ

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: May 9 2007, 05:04 PM

high dps team right there, but i guess ur on the cc'ing role to ease off the healer...

i usually run with 2 healers to be on the safer side, and less stress for that one healer too anyways. (everyone gotta have some fun right? )

and thats an interesting point, especially if ur mutilate/assassination, you get QR, and healers LOVES QR lol... renews on me are usually 800-900/tick... and good priests do it for over 1k/tick... really not hard to heal. and the healers get to have their occassion epeen flaring with QR (or lock fel armor anyways) highest heals i got is 999x, almost 10k... from a druid healing touch crit. dont even have that much hp

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Added on May 9, 2007, 8:43 pmthat is like one disgusting male orgy fest...

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: May 9 2007, 08:43 PM

least they are running instances, better than nothing

still 3 pala in a group makes a very gay image in my head

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: May 10 2007, 08:52 AM

meow?

priest main heal and a hybrid offheal

2 healer is always safer than one. if any mishap happen to that one healer, usually wipe. if got 2nd healer, can backup/rez.

and another thing would be the one healer wont be so stressed out during the run. single healer if anything he'll be jacking up consumables and stuff where if you have 2 heals, just let the 2nd one cover. (like if situation gets tight, mispulled an add or so... mana going low, definitely need to jack a mana pot)

shamans, boost existing dps, can heal, and mana totem, and can dps themselves. if enh they boost the melee dps by quite a huge ammount, and at the same time also boost tank aggro so it upscales by a long shot. down side is they also take the dmg say a rogue would take.

elem shams are pretty much no different as any caster dps, and they can boost existing caster dps by a huge margin with totem of wrath and wrath of air, at the same time boosting their own dps.

paladins... needless to say. at current patch, their heals are so god like they dont even have to drink not even once in the entire instance, even heroics if theres another healer backing him or is main healing.

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Added on May 11, 2007, 2:48 pmdurr dont say druids, no one can regen mana by wanding lol. its generally getting out of the 5 sec rule. unless you meant judgement of wisdom, but that requires a gay paladin

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: May 11 2007, 02:48 PM

i had a healing touch on me for 999x

ill post up my 700+ dps in a sec... its on maiden... 3ish minute fight... too bad i could've done at least close to 900... didnt have bloodlust and some cooldowns cuz was used...and i bandaged twice and one i noobed that shit and got repented while bandaging and no consecration to cure me... so 20-30+ sec of no dps.

we wiped on her like 4 times because even with FOUR f***ING HEALERS our mt can still die... apparently they decided its cool to let him die at least 4 times before deciding to keep him alive. and 2 of those wipes i had bloodlust and was charting about 840 to 880 dps.

bro, tank wont kena repent, got concecration anyways.

if healers can zerker rage, letme know. so they dont have to either bug out maiden with BOsac or having people risking it in the silence holy ground

noob (omg 10 chars)

OMG I WILL TRY TO POST THAT FKIN SCREENSHOT... VISTA IS LOL. (recommend ftp program that is free, and for vista prz)