Any druid healers out there? Especially those in Malaysia with lagging streamyx. My head sakit now trying to heal in Heroics.

Do you have a shadow priest in the group to leave druid healer to focus on tank healing only? Or you're the only healer in the group?

Overheals using HT? But it may be very very big HT very early on in the game-aggro puller?

Mind you, I went into Heroic BM. Tank + Melee were taking 2K-3K hits from Rift Lord Warrior thunderclasp.

Because of streamyx lag, heals get out 1-2 sec after buttonpress.

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uuh you went to heroic BM? have you tried doing other heroics first? heroic BM is one of the hardest heroics out there, just below arcatraz

get a 2nd healer >.>

yeah, went into heroic BM coz guildies persuade me that they heard from a friend that it's only slightly more difficult than normal BM.

sets84 : tell me a time when streamyx stops lagging. but last nite was hell in kara. bad lag spikes everywhere.

Qua : yeah, was thinking an offhealer who can still DPS . shadow priest would be nice. but the 2nd healers is full healing spec of hybrid healer?

i go out to non laggy cafes to play if im desperate

your guildies heard wrong

stay far far away from heroic BM. do something easy first like slave pens, steamvaults, mech or ramparts. once you've gotten the hang of healing those then you can step inside heroic BM, if you want.

for the other heroics other than BM, to heal for the single pull, hard hitting mobs (ie boglords and tempest keep robots) with streamyx's inherent lag is to spam your biggest heal (HT for druids I think). never mind the overheals and stuff, your group should be able to down the mob by the time you oom.

for the multiple trash mobs, focus on the tank mostly. If a dps get aggro he usually gets one shotted. Top up everyone else only if the tank is above 75%.

ta wikzs. it's time like these i really rolled out a full DPS character. waiting for patch 2.1 to come out when Swiftmend gets fix.

what's the other of difficulty of heroics? there's :

Slave Pens
SteamVaults
Underbog
Mana Tombs
Sethekk Halls
Shadow Labs
Ramparts
Blood Furnace
Shattered Halls
Mechanar
Botanica
Arcatraz
Escape from Durnhole
Black Morass

try steam, underbog(need well geared tank), mech(i find heroic mech actually esier then normal mech) first

leave shalls (horrible, the first guildie to finish in my guild took 6 hours), BM, Arcatraz till much later

This post has been edited by jwrx: May 8 2007, 01:48 PM

hybrid if ur confident... full heal spec if ur not.

or, hybrid if you lack dps, full heal if you dont lack dps at all.

either up to you or the dps'ers... or even the tank if he can:
1) hold enough aggro
2) mitigate enough damage

Slave Pens - easy. just a few mobs which are unCCable, so would need to be kited. 1st boss is tank and spank with a dps watching the totems. 2nd boss, as a druid healer, prolly would have to keep the tank up, with every range trying to stay max range and you HoT them when they get aoe damage. Last boss also the same. NR for last boss makes it a bit easier

SteamVaults - a bit less easy. first boss is same as normal, 2nd boss is a balance between interrupting the healers and dpsing down the boss. warlord is cake
Underbog - between easy and medium difficulty. after the 2nd boss there are mobs which are un CCable and also the boglords which hit a truck and grow after a period of time. mini gruul ftw

Mana Tombs - first boss requires a tank with very high shadow resists or 2 healers. last boss is a dps fight. above medium difficulty

Sethekk Halls - not that hard, easier with shackle and careful of fearing mobs.

Shadow Labs - medium difficulty, have to be careful of the assassins in the inciter rooms while doing the big pulls

Ramparts - medium difficulty. just have to be aware of the pats.

Blood Furnace - medium difficulty. 2nd boss is hard, best CC for this would be fear. There are fel guards near the end boss who hit a crap ton, sorta like the boglords in UB and SV

Shattered Halls - quite hard. especially on some of the pulls before the first and 2nd boss.

Mechanar - easy badge farming, recommended

Botanica - havent done, but people said it's not that hard.

Arcatraz - heroic arc make babies cry. true story. dont do unless you have a pally or priest for shadow resist

Escape from Durnhole - first 2 bosses are not hard. make sure you have a hunter tho, since there are pats that are on fast respawns (5mins iirc) which are un CC able and they'll summon 2 adds. if you have a hunter scatter shot them to pull they wont summon the adds (changed after patch to make it easier i think). epoch hunter is still hard tho and you only get 3 tries after you release thrall.

Black Morass - damn hard, not needed for any heroic quests, just do it if you wanna test if you're keng or not

don't worry about burning your mana for the trash, short heals are the win for the crazy pulls. there's some fixes in the upcoming patch to help make heroics easier. like the cleave radius, and locks can seduce etc.

Slave Pens-easy
SteamVaults-easy(can go straight to last boss)
Underbog-easy
Mana Tombs- HARD
Sethekk Halls- easy
Shadow Labs- easy(only 2nd boss is a bit annoying)
Ramparts-easy
Blood Furnace- moderately hard( but u can go straight to lass boss easily, especially if yur alliance)
Shattered Halls- easy if coordinated(i didn't wipe till the last boss which took a few tries to down, on my first try)
Mechanar-easy(kill last boss first, then kill 2nd boss on the bridge, while someone(rogue/hunter) kites the 3 elementals into the last boss's spawn location)
Botanica- never tried
Arcatraz- never tried(but friends finished it moderately quick for a first run)
Escape from Durnhole- i'd assume moderately hard cos the thrash can dispel sheep and they do it quite often from a try ages ago
Black Morass- hard (mobs after the first boss have tons of hp, and u have to reset instance to retry which is a pain in the ass)

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auchenai crypts - easy(just beware of possessors)

This post has been edited by tetsu: May 8 2007, 02:37 PM

dun bring melee dun bring melee dun bring melee. I've done and completed every heroic and i must say the group i alwaz run with, Druid + SP + tank + ele shaman + frost mage is the most versatile. If ele shaman + mage is geared n skilled 3 mobs are already cced effectively with sheep and 2 kited. And of cos SP there being a mana battery.

dont see a problem right there so long i have good healers.

not putting down on melee but just healing me one person is easier than healing an additional person. 2 ppl who can kite n kill their mob by themselves quicker than anything rather than a dps melee class who cant kite (probably can but cant kill it) the choice is pretty obvious. Its doable but reali u wouldnt understand how much simpler n smoother it is w/o a melee.

well lets not open another can of worms. if everyone thought like u, melee dps classes will b out of jobs. i never heroic with imp sap too lol(99 badges and i try to minimize going to heroics so i don't get burned out)

this is the mentality that i always have shun upon...
before the kara times, when doing 5 man instances before the stealth nerfs and what not, shamans and druids were always taken as "liability" in 5 man runs.

the only prefered healers were priests and paladins. now, I have a question... if the shamans and druids are ignored forever, how will they ever be able to gear up and help out in future raids. they may not shine in 5 mans, but they absolutely shine in raids.

same goes for a rogue, there are many trivial fights now that gives rogues a disadvantage. however im sure there are bosses that sitll requires rogues, and when ur up to those bosses... how are you gona do it with undergeard rogues that you have neglected?

true but i'm just wondering whether there is a different way of playing the healing class through heroics.

besides, nothing beats pushing the healer to sharpen his button smashing skills.

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Added on May 8, 2007, 4:23 pmalthough come to think about it, i do like stressing ppl out when their health drops low. usually leave them worried when their health is at 50% and no heals coming.

makes DPS output better!

This post has been edited by myremi: May 8 2007, 04:23 PM

i'm not saying its not possible but its just alot easier. Its reali blizzard mechanic faults which they are fixing in the upcoming patch. And my guild rogues have no problem gearing thru the 10 n 25man =p i think most rogues just wan midnight legguards -.- I'm more than happy to bring a rogue fren if he needs something from a particular heroic but if just farming heroics for nethers n badges i'm reali all for my non melee group. And i love druid over any in 5mans mainly for their strong HoTs.

I sing a song for u, ok?

Malang yang menimpanya,
Kini menghantui kita,
Apakah dosa hingga, kau didera?

Titisan air mata,

... the rest I forgot d.

rollin with shamans makes happy melees, true story.

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Added on May 8, 2007, 5:30 pmwhy kite when standing still shooting yields much higher dps?

so long ur tanking skills/gear to produce enough aggro/mitigation, tank multiple targets even in hard heroics isnt a big deal.

like the slave pens defenders, our tank tanks both of them anyways... sure, they hit me for 8-10k... but on a tank that has decent enough mitigation, and good healers, it doesnt matter. and i can kidneyshot them time to time... and no one have to kite... 1 goes down in mere seconds, and the other one being alone, doesnt pose a threat at all.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: May 8 2007, 05:30 PM

shamans make any dpsers happy...

Rogues make some fights in kara much much esier....Aran for one...R&J as well

I only do the easier heroics. I'm also a resto druid

I've healed through most of the heroics I've run thru either solo or with a shadow priest. BM was the only one I gotta admit hands down I cant heal thru yet. And I'm just a shaman. I think a druid could do it better anytime oh and ignore the fact that my sig below show's enhanced atm. I'm usually resto

Shadow priests trivialize almost every heroic for a main healer. Really kacang putih. I seldom have the opportunity to run with a shadow priest. The times that I was lucky enough to get a shadow priest, I can really chill out.

BTW, shamans are better than druids for heroic healing. Why? You have out of combat res!

priest can rez...and druid can brez.

druids healers forces out DPS more since everyone hates running back after death .

If ur dps is nuking a target and cant pull aggro, sry the dps aint good enuf.


But for eg : Double trinket pull defender, by the time the first defender reach me the one they are on almost dead. which is easier? =p Way more easier than waitin to heal for one and tank. And these are easy heroics. Maybe the harder ones like heroic SL n SH are a much noticable difference. I constantly have to get my guild mates attuned to trial of naaru quests, finding the most ideal setup is crucial to me as it is a tiresome chore to repeatly go in these annoying instances trust me. I nvr have to wait for sap or ask ppl wait awhile for aggro, just sheep n shaman n mage nuke their target along with the sp. i tank the rest n by the time they finish i have complete aggro on the rest for them to nuke. Its just nuke the whole way. SH questline done in 30mins to executioner? Doubt u can do that with a rogue. By no means again i say rogue is not viable, but when u have to the cumbersome duty of alwaz tanking some tedious instances a ranged group is just simply the best. Reach last boss switch ppl out zone in n finish the quest.

Again i stress i'm just pointing out on my version of an optimised 5man heroic setup. Rogues are definitely viable and have extreme dps but when compared on efficiency just not as good as ranged.

Ya surely but that's only 2 fights and in fact if u replace the rogues with shammies with 5secs shocks (with talents) and double bloodlust i would have just countered your argument.

rogues will remain the top dps class when itemization gets more advanced, you cannot avoid this fact....

it is not easy, but fact is you still need them later on. especially in 25 man raids later.

ever wondered why nihilum always has a fury warrior and at least 2 rogues on every raid they go? they still provide unlimited optimal dps, what with the new patch reducing 360 degree cleaves and mocking blows. on top of that you gota cover back the slack of 5% raid shadow dps...

take hydroxis fight for example. that's a figth where the boss has very lil armor and high spell resistance. and on top of that it's an aggro watch fight as one tank cannot over shot the aggro of the other tank. so guess who'll top dps charts while the mages n warlocks have to take turns covering the adds of the different phases, tadaaa!! rogues. they have the ability to vanish n feint, although it reduces their dps by a lil but they are still there to help in the major dpsing.

and dont mention mage invis plz, heemee will come on with a shitload of arguement on why mage's invis ability is screwed atm

This post has been edited by sets84: May 8 2007, 09:13 PM

Yes i'm not avoiding this fact. I know rogues do awesome dps. I was only talkin in 5man circumstances and by no means 25man.

ahha yeah i know. they maybe a liability in 5 mans, but we still have to take them wether we like it or not.

when i started off with my 5 mans, i had 1 fury warrior, 1 rogue, 1 lock, 1 resto shammy, 1 holy priest as our main party.

inmagine the perils we had to go through. but we never stopped we kept pushing n pushing cos we know htat all classes will eventually be needed.

haha that can be rough. When ur a tank for ur guild n ur guild is planning to progress to The Eye especially and by duty u have to run guildies thru the trial of naaru quests, u will understand my position alot better.

that is seriously the dumbest shit ive heard for quite some time, seriously take creativity right there.

imo if you constantly get aggro pulled, sorry, its YOUR threat sucking or ur partty thinks its cool busting out trinkets and shit before the tank even manage to do shit.

and why need to wait for sap? rogues that pure dps dont sap anyways, waste of energy and time. just have the tank to tank that one additional guy and have heals stepped up a lil for just a short while.

and wait for dps? not sure what kinda of rogues you party with, but i sure as hell dont wait for dps. if the tank cant keep up to my innate -29% aggro, he prolly shouldnt be tanking in the first place anyways.

not sure on your "nuking ur whole way runs", but for my runs, so long i can get a pally or priest(resto shams will do too but its very stressful for them and they usually need to mana potion), that is well geared and have very good mana conservation skills, the whole group never need to drink at all until before bosses or hard pulls, just for the added safety. last mob 5-15ish% already pulling next pull.

if the caster dps cant keep up, he'll be left behind, i can pick up the slack anyways while he have to drink. that alone is speed. sure, shadow priest VT is good, but when trash mobs died under 10 sec or so, vt will actually drain more mana than returns, with the exception to the people excluding the shadow priest.

not to disagree that they are a liability within a 5man (especially heroics), i personally also think they are. even being a rogue myself. but what your putting out in argument here is flawed at best. try better.

sets: ok setup anyways lol... just the fury warrior part.

Tank n spank? Seriously its BC already. Grow up already and shift out of that concept. Having them focus one mob first w/o even reaching me first is definitely better than having "the warrior tank one more additional mob". With this u just showed that ur primitive tank n spank method is infinitely slower than what i've just suggested.

I MT for my guild with magtheridon kill to our belt. Obviously i can hold my ground as a tank. Seeing that u havent pass kara, well what can i say. And judging from ur gear n gauging what dps u can do with it, i can eat fried rice and tank at the same time.

As for running with well geared ppl,
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/?#charac...9;Thos&n=Snakey
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/characte...27Thos&n=Haukun

these are the 2 ppl i alwaz blaze thru heroics with. Just had an armory on ya and i can tell ur heroics are painful to run with. And assuming you're not boasting n telling the truth on ur strength of ur dps, imagine how much faster it is for my group to do it consider they can burst dmg like 100000000 times faster than u? lol. But just to reiterate i wasnt reali stressing on this point in the last post but rather how versatile these 2 classes with the ability to kite n an extra sheep where as all u have to offer is an occasional blind and taking dmg.

If u wanna diss ppl and sound almighty, at least have first hand experience of what content is like beyond heroic slave pens. Reading forum posts n watching videos are not the way to do it lol. And seriously kara is not that hard, my guild only raid 3 days a week and still able to down mag. Maybe u need to reconsider ur skill lvl. just a suggestion. Thanks for challenging me in ur last post. Its been a while since i responded to clueless ppl.

so your trying to say tank n spank dont exist anymore in BC? how bout you be less ignorant and think straight. pretty much minus the technicality here and there for different mobs/boss/encounters, everything is a tank n spank.

and if you even think of eating fried rice to tank my aggro, ur gonna lose it, guranteed. whats even dumber, is you bring a mage and shaman that havent even break 800 spell dmg to compare with me... wow? i yield between 700-900 sustained dps depending on how buffed i am... those 700ish spell dmg people at best ill give them 600-800 sustained. sure, they can burst, but burst dmg != pve, thank you. unless all ur fight resolves in waiting for trinket cooldowns and drinking lots. then imho, thats not speed. even worse, the shaman didnt even have totem of wrath and you bring him in the picture for dps comparison... lol...

and sorry, i dont just do heroic slave pens, i do it because i havent got my midnight pants. ive done pretty much all heroics except heroic arca/heroic bota/heroic bm iirc. dont see a problem in my runs too so long i run with regulars and we clear those instances very fast too anyways.

you too, if you wanna live in ur box and being ignorant of facts, at least realize that when you wanna bring guild progressions into the picture, theres a million guilds out there that is easily over ur head. so your only making yourself look even stupid than you've already are.

i personally think that kara isnt hard either. but to have 9 others to share the same vision and dedication? not something you can always take into your hands. furthermore, gruul's and mag isnt a huge leap over what kara already is. hell people that clears gruuls and mag even skip bosses in kara such as aran or nightbane or even netherspite. its just the matter of having the people to do the 25mans, and thats what we dont have, we dont even have a kara group 2 to begin with. so really, do urself and everyone a favor, wear a -50 stupid headgear, and post less stupid post.

wow ! its an epic fight here. seriously, i want to witness.

muahhahah drama again

*graping pop corn n watch show*



opps.. working no pop corn

go supermarket buy, if ur office got pantry, can microwave it.. need the newer ones though.

and glad you enjoy the drama

ur healer is pally? i agree with kurei, can kite then kite, it hit hard like 2-4k per hit x2 mob.. :shackhead:

nah nah nah.. aran bring nub rogue who doesnt kno when to kick is terrible. less melee lesser risk.

i persoanlly <3 2 melee in 5 man, not really need a hybrid druid but rogue, it's make priest ez healing n PICKLOCK !!!

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Added on May 9, 2007, 10:36 amwell geared mean nothing k..
some nub with well geared from top guild used 4 hrs @ NORMAL bot.
ytd when i hear abt that, i damm so happy, dumb pally lcly with light justics. cheers my day.

ei.. port klang taklak super market. raining summore. but i still enjoy with my coffee !! kgo keep going.

*gaps*

This post has been edited by Gladys: May 9 2007, 10:36 AM

Find a shaman with more spell dmg? Any shaman on this forum in pve gear has close to 800 spell dmg or even close pls speak up. That is rare. And mage is wearing pvp gear? Respecced for pvp? U by just saying that i know u LACK INSIGHT. gratz on ur cluelessness. lol ur just a tool laughable at best. Again l2p. Dude its 5man. U dun need to tank n spank trash mobs pls. Get it out of ur big fat moronic head. MOB DIE IN 5SECS TANK WHAT? LOL. And i brought ur guild progression to show UR LACK OF EXPERIENCE in any form of raiding which ur lacking hence ur stubborness. Ya n u speak u dun do kara and in some other post u talk of ur curator fights being 5-6mins long? Again quit trying to brag or as a maater of fact save face. Sure find me 1million guilds that are on my guild progression. And besides its urs against mine. U might as well bring nihilium into ey? Grow a pair of balls and use urself as an eg. Ur server for 1 has only 2? lol. And again my guild only raid 3 days a week and we're casual wif most members working full time jobs. That alone shows the amount of quality we have. U being w/o any real hand experience on what raiding is trying to chalk up claims of what-not hahahaha seriously is funny. And stop using ppl kill this and blah blah blah when ur not doing it. Saying personaly kara is not hard but u cant find 9ppl who has ur vision is just shifting the blame. U have 3 protection tanks at least so far LOL. Still tryin to gear themselves up? hahahaha. Seriously ur digging urself deeper into shame. Maybe u run ur heroics with other ppl rather ur guild that's y u "claim" u can do everything. But in all seriousness, gear plays a shitload in heroics, and judging from ur guild's gear or just urs alone compared to mine its simply LOL? But maybe u fully raid buff urself just for heroics hahaha. I most definitely can tank while eating fried rice if i have u as my dps. If u dun have anything to back urself u just need to stfu n be quiet cos again ur talk has nothing to show for. U have no gear to show for. U have no guild to show for. Therefore u have nothing to prove for. If any1 has a clue on who to believe, its pretty damn obvious aint it. lol.

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Added on May 9, 2007, 10:44 amNo my healer is a druid. Yes i'm glad finally someone agreed. Healing one person is way simpler than healing 2. The whole idea is to create easeness n simplicity running 5mans. And u get that if u optimise what the other classes can do with their skills n dmg. Y couldnt quazacolt just reply in a frenly manner is beyond me.


This post has been edited by Kurei: May 9 2007, 10:44 AM

i dont think you sounded friendly too =)

Well he decided to start lashing out at me so hell y not be as frank as we can about one another right? If my earlier opinions provoked him to do so, it was nvr meant to. but now, hmmm the posts speaks for itself.

GIEF POPCORN!

Actually i don't know what the fight is about so I'll just throw in with a random comment

Seriously though, why try tanking everything when they can be CC/Kited/dance. Tanking these days is not about keeping aggro on every single mob, it's about trusting your team mates to do more than just pressing 1 button to dps in an instance. Some heroic mobs will 2 shot you if you try taking more than 1 on at a time. So don't.

It's easier healing one target, it's also easier healing one target that's not getting damaged by every single mob in the pull.

edit: I play minesweeper, drink beer, eat soup noodles, smoke and multibox while tanking !

This post has been edited by Kidicarus: May 9 2007, 12:16 PM

get hit every hit then GG eidi la.. it's so true, a favour to both priest n tank actually.. plate repair n hard time + population of the priest.

best rogue are known as mt assist, but some of them love to kie kiang tank solo mob. demand heal summore, die or vanish bring trouble to tank or party or raid.

lock solo different story, they dot dot dot fear dot dot dot fear, 4eva the best cc ~ yayaya

y no more drama? post some make some noise..

=.= if i let my tank see i pm-ing or daydreaming, i sure kena poke right away b4/after he die...

This post has been edited by Gladys: May 9 2007, 12:48 PM

Glad there are ppl who share my point of view. =p

touche!

yeah true. although sometimes no choice. i'm stuck in a dilemma of not bringing too many melee players and having to be one of the few guild healers who are on most of the time. want time to rest also cannot. pugging isn't so nice lately.

although, kurei, do you reckon that players will be geared enough one day that it's possible to have tank + melee DPS + healer group for heroics?

it is not to say impossible.... even with blues u still can do heroics with melees, but its hell of hard. i did heroics with an enhance shaman and a rogue together before, where i am the healer. it's really challenging

y not possible?

have 2 melee are always great like clearning totem or stun da fella let tank taunt back when mage GG crit 10k..stunlock even great + blackout

my party always have a picklock rogue or hybrid druid.. <3

manage to get a prot paladin in our guild to spec holy... from useless turn to friggin godlike... lolz...

wa ur at port klang so far? lol... why no supermarket le, they seem to be anywhere nowdays, maybe except for those really remote kampungs... what about cinema? just go buy 1 pack lolz.

It's a case of l2p my dear. tank+healer+randoms. Just take people you enjoy playing with. In the case of a dr00d healer bring someone else who can res ^^

supermarket pun taklak di where to find cinema.. apasal u also go suft sggirl.com now brain koyak eh?

edited for greater justice.

no nid la, mimi good healing, no one will die. brez also no nid.

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ya it is possible for certain heroics even now. Just more difficult but it is a nice challenge.

your the one that link the profile, if anyone's lacking insight, its you for not forseeing this. and that mage in pvp spec? grats on being even clueless for linking that friend of yours then lmao.

and sure, dont tank and spank then. go kite bosses or w/e. im sure that really worked out for you as you 2 shot heroic bosses. damn pro right here
/lolsarcasmlol

and sorry, guild progression when your not at the top of the list doesnt mean shit, everything is been done and strats are all over the net. if you think it does mean anything, good for you, but honestly, you'll just get laughed at when ur trying to bring it into any sort of measurement.

whats even worse is claiming people that dont have decent progression or whatever lacks experience is even laughable. if thats the case, then pretty much a HUGE majority of lyn people dont have experience at all? i think not. imho the higher end raiding is not much of a difference in the basic wow game play anyways. with the strats of each fights being different and different mechanic here and there.

and wow... when did i EVER said i dun do kara? seriously, quote that shit to me, including date and post url, i REALLY wanna see that.

and am i bringing other guilds progression in to the picture? dont think so, i didnt even bring my own guild's progression into the picture. you have 10 people, or 25 people that are good, good for you, you make progression. not everyone can bring together 10/25 good and dedicated people together. until you start forming your own guild, you have no say in this. hell, many people/guilds including some in lyn also face the same problem. so if you really think its you doing it all, think again.

and pretty sure i dont go around claiming who kills what. theres someone that does that around this forum but im not naming names.

i wont deny im shifting the blame, i really am. but again, until your in charge of guilds and raids, you really have no say in this, thank you. and oh wow you suddenly know how many prot tanks i have... 3 right? ill tell you how many prot tanks we have right now, 1. way to f***ing lose that one.

and ill be honest, i dont run all my heroics with my guildies. they either dont show when there isnt raid or they dont go heroics. thats their choice, while i can just pug it up and do it anyways. not really a big deal.

if you really want proof that bad, ill just screenshot my dps for you this coming friday. no big deal. after all nothing can deny hard numbers.

kidi: not to say that everything has to be tanked and not cc/kite etc. theres always an option and every group has their preference and advantage in certain methods.

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Added on May 9, 2007, 5:04 pmnever go port klang how to know lol... and i dunno what site is that, prolly best to not open... very busy at work today... kena tembak by boss too QQ

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: May 9 2007, 05:04 PM

somoene figured it out.
hope it still works after patch

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well. most ppl have different opinions about effective heroic instance parties. usually my party consists of warrior, mage, warlock/hunter,holy priest and rogue(me, and i don't share the loots from chests i lockpick /gg). i don't think i'm a mana drain to the healer cos i'm more focused on stun locking than dps. its either i'm assisting the tank or range assist me while my target stay stunned for 10 secs( mutilate rogues generate combopoints fast) and if i get hit, its usually 1 hit KO crit anyway, meaning i don't get heal at all.

mage threat> rogue, so if it get released from stunlock, it'll b running towards the mage 20-30 yards away and die before it reaches anyone.(i use crippling poison to play extra safe, but usually i don't)

anyway, most parties are still going to bring at least 1 rogue for chest loot and shattered halls locked door b4 the first boss i rkn, cos back in the day i get b****ed at so often cos of having <100 skill in lockpicking and couldn't unlock chests(didn't have the time cos i reached lvl 60 just b4 BC)

an observation from my guildie who was pugging a group through normal SL. might work in heroics.

3 pallys together. 1 tank + 2 healing him. that tank was holding 5-6 mobs at one time. remaining party spots were taking by a rogue + mage. free run.

high dps team right there, but i guess ur on the cc'ing role to ease off the healer...

i usually run with 2 healers to be on the safer side, and less stress for that one healer too anyways. (everyone gotta have some fun right? )

and thats an interesting point, especially if ur mutilate/assassination, you get QR, and healers LOVES QR lol... renews on me are usually 800-900/tick... and good priests do it for over 1k/tick... really not hard to heal. and the healers get to have their occassion epeen flaring with QR (or lock fel armor anyways) highest heals i got is 999x, almost 10k... from a druid healing touch crit. dont even have that much hp

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Added on May 9, 2007, 8:43 pmthat is like one disgusting male orgy fest...

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: May 9 2007, 08:43 PM

well, still makes it an interesting read. i like hearing of different styles.

another i heard was that a mage tanking and a rogue DPSing from behind, running around as well. they were running instances like this in Frostmourne. had problems finding a tank so they did it this way.

least they are running instances, better than nothing

still 3 pala in a group makes a very gay image in my head

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: May 10 2007, 08:52 AM

narrowminded rogue. name calling is such a

Girls are such spammers.

wa..."Reaady....FIGHT"

this is basicly trying to defend your own class. A high dps rogue is wonderful in heroics, but faced with a lock/mage with 1k spell dmg..i rather take the caster....free SS, free hs, free food, CC



This post has been edited by jwrx: May 10 2007, 09:59 AM

meow?

aiyo you people ah.

QFT + minimum 10 word posting limite

good rogue detected
nub rogue spotted.....

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ur priest is nub nid off heal at ur usually instance ?
or nub party to get 2 healer?

priest main heal and a hybrid offheal

2 healer is always safer than one. if any mishap happen to that one healer, usually wipe. if got 2nd healer, can backup/rez.

and another thing would be the one healer wont be so stressed out during the run. single healer if anything he'll be jacking up consumables and stuff where if you have 2 heals, just let the 2nd one cover. (like if situation gets tight, mispulled an add or so... mana going low, definitely need to jack a mana pot)

im rather jack a mana pot also dun want 2 healer.
well, dps druid then is different story. tran dono wat skill name n innervate.
in 5 man.
not 25 man.

I am a pally and it is still alright to be main healer in heroic, so druid should be fine.

I usually party with a druid(tank), mage, rogue and hunter.

pally if no alright then go play other class is better

I really have trouble understanding this woman

Anyway, in terms of healing

Druids

Pros:

Innervate
Best HoTs
Combat res
Good single target healing
Extra Healing from Tree of Life
Good instant heals
Crowd control in the form of whirlwind

Cons:

Squishie
Can't regen mana by wanding

Priests:
Instant heals in the form of PW:S
Powerful AoE heals
Slightly better aggro management in the form of fade
Crowd control against undead
2 HoTs in the form of PoM and Renew

Cons:

Really squishie
That angel thing that comes up when they die makes them look like nubs

Pallys
Pros: Most efficient heals in the game
Buffs tailored to specific classes
Not as squishie as the other healing classes
Bubble

Cons:
Lack of HoTs
Lack of AoE heals
They tend to steal my plate gear

So there.. not conclusive list, everyone of them is capable of healing in heroics but each class has it's own strengths and weaknesses.

shamans, boost existing dps, can heal, and mana totem, and can dps themselves. if enh they boost the melee dps by quite a huge ammount, and at the same time also boost tank aggro so it upscales by a long shot. down side is they also take the dmg say a rogue would take.

elem shams are pretty much no different as any caster dps, and they can boost existing caster dps by a huge margin with totem of wrath and wrath of air, at the same time boosting their own dps.

paladins... needless to say. at current patch, their heals are so god like they dont even have to drink not even once in the entire instance, even heroics if theres another healer backing him or is main healing.

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Added on May 11, 2007, 2:48 pmdurr dont say druids, no one can regen mana by wanding lol. its generally getting out of the 5 sec rule. unless you meant judgement of wisdom, but that requires a gay paladin

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: May 11 2007, 02:48 PM

Yep JoW. Was thinking about raids rather than 5 mans in this case

no pros and cons for shammies?

Druids solo healing in heroic mode are still not as good as any other classes, unless you have like around 1.8K +healing. If not don't even bother of doing so, you can main heal if you have someone in the party who's going to cover you if something happens.

The most I'm able to heal thru at this moment on heroic mode are only Blood Furnace. I'm not even a full restoration spec, but getting a fast heal in certainly will help you out on the healing a lot.

Start off with Regrowth or Rejuvenation, then spam away your Healing Touch all the way until the mobs died & reapply the healing over time when necessary.

Why not use Lifebloom together with the other healing over time? Well at this moment, the healing over time on the spell do not get the benefit from the +healings you have while stacking Lifebloom. It might help a bit, but I found that combination of Regrowth and Rejuvenation before spamming Healing Touch are the best option at this moment.

I get reduce time on my casting by 0.5 sec if any of my spells critical with Nature Grace on my current build. Combo with the Scarab of the Infinite Cycle (drop from Black Morass, Aenous - Last Boss) another 0.7 sec reduce if the spell haste proc on the heals. Fastest healing touch I've casted was 1.93 sec.

The downside of this build is you don't get to use Swiftmend and you tend to get aggro easily if your Warrior Tank is not Protection Spec. Either way Swiftmend is going to get fixed and down ranking on those Regrowth or Rejuvenation will not get the full benefit from the +healing if Swiftmend is used on it.

I have Rank 6, 7, 8 Healing Touch on my action bar when I'm healing at heroics and standard Regrowth Rank 6, 7. Also have your Nature Swiftness + Healing Touch Rank 13 macro so you can instant cast on anyone who is on 20% health points. At this moment I'm trying my best to get my Rank 4 Healing Touch to do a decent 1.4-1.6k heals with critical heals of 1.8-2.0k. But with my current gear I'm still far behind on solo healing thru Heroic instances. Normal shouldn't be a problem for anyone. Just remember the basic style of healing for druids. HoTs before direct heals.

This is my style, I don't know about others. Also don't fancy healing in Lolform

This post has been edited by pr0di9y: May 11 2007, 09:30 PM

i had a healing touch on me for 999x

I love druid healing me and he's healed me thru every heroic. But of cos i run with a mana battery SP so dun need to worry much about mana. fantastic hots, strong heals,brez. Pretty much varies on gear. Mediocore gear sure the pally is better but a good gear druid pretty much gives a pally a run for his money in 5mans. And about bring squishy, bear form ftw!

This post has been edited by Kurei: May 12 2007, 01:43 AM

Went into Heroic Mechanar. Yep, u guys were right, it is the easiest but getting sleepy so was making mistakes. Plus we didn't have a nice group for handling Pantheon so we wipe (2 mages + 1 rogue + 1 tank + me resto druid healing).

Below elevator, still had 50% mana after the major pulls. Above the elevator, was OOMing fast at groups of 4 which seemed to be hitting tank harder. Patroller was sometimes touch and go. Mini bosses were easy. Patheon we couldn't handle becoz of the adds - no fear to handle them.

Haven't settled on a healing style yet. Trying out lifebloom + max Rejuv + max Regrowth and keeping those on him. Not exactly the best style atm, I know. Trying out max heals atm so OOMing fast I know. Still testing things out a bit. Am still overhealing the tank. When huge burst, it's swiftmend to HP up.

1.8K heals. O.O Ah well, time for more gear hunting.

ill post up my 700+ dps in a sec... its on maiden... 3ish minute fight... too bad i could've done at least close to 900... didnt have bloodlust and some cooldowns cuz was used...and i bandaged twice and one i noobed that shit and got repented while bandaging and no consecration to cure me... so 20-30+ sec of no dps.

we wiped on her like 4 times because even with FOUR f***ING HEALERS our mt can still die... apparently they decided its cool to let him die at least 4 times before deciding to keep him alive. and 2 of those wipes i had bloodlust and was charting about 840 to 880 dps.

Not easy lar to be healer on Maiden. Really have to be on the ball, i use Blessing of Sacrifice to get out of Maiden repent...and 60% of the time...she will bug and come straight for me

if I dont BoSanc, and use the run in and out of consecration method...its even more risky

dont think thats the correct way to do it

Healing over time is your friend.

If ur tank uses berserker rage u wont have that problem.

bro, tank wont kena repent, got concecration anyways.

if healers can zerker rage, letme know. so they dont have to either bug out maiden with BOsac or having people risking it in the silence holy ground

Quoted for Tooth

getting bored of the game a bit. healing and pewpew now like no more fun.

noob (omg 10 chars)

OMG I WILL TRY TO POST THAT FKIN SCREENSHOT... VISTA IS LOL. (recommend ftp program that is free, and for vista prz)

I am a paladin