Is anyone interested in saving on electricity? Y/N, Electricity
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 Mar 2 2018, 01:30 AM
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QUOTE(hickups @ Mar 2 2018, 01:45 AM) No point also if we keep saving/reduce..and tnb keep increase tariff.. But come to think of it you will be paying lesser for your electric bill regardless of whether TNB increases/decreases their tariff as this product helps to reduce energy consumption. |
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Mar 2 2018, 07:35 AM
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477 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Klang
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QUOTE(cDrew @ Mar 2 2018, 01:30 AM) But come to think of it you will be paying lesser for your electric bill regardless of whether TNB increases/decreases their tariff as this product helps to reduce energy consumption. Wat product |
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Mar 2 2018, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE(cDrew @ Mar 2 2018, 01:24 AM) My bad This product hickups Information about the product » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Below are some receipts by our previous customers (before and after using this product). » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Mar 2 2018, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(cDrew @ Mar 1 2018, 10:43 PM) But you shouldn't assume that this product doesn't work just because you have a bad experience with other products. I understand that people can be abit skeptical but its honestly up to you whether you want to believe it or not (even though I can gurantee you will see savings in your next electricity bill and proof has already been provided from the attachment above). If you would like more proof you can PM me I can also send to you our SIRIM certification if you are interested. Plus we also have 2 years warranty You understand the meaning of SIRIM certification or not? so what have you got to lose?SIRIM just test whether components inside it and box does not pass those fire..electrical safety thing you under extreme test condition .... I repeat...SIRIM does not and will not say the device is saving money gadget. Only Suruhanan Jaya Tenaga Malaysia can vouch for your product. Are you from electrical background? If not....I can say you selling myth product. |
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Mar 2 2018, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(MakNok @ Mar 2 2018, 01:17 PM) You understand the meaning of SIRIM certification or not? Yes we understand the meaning of SIRIM certification but it is also important to note that as people might be afraid that the product is unsafe. Our company has a strong electrical background of manufacturing and selling LEDs to industrial factories and offices in Malaysia.SIRIM just test whether components inside it and box does not pass those fire..electrical safety thing you under extreme test condition .... I repeat...SIRIM does not and will not say the device is saving money gadget. Only Suruhanan Jaya Tenaga Malaysia can vouch for your product. Are you from electrical background? If not....I can say you selling myth product. We have customers who have vouched for us that the product is a working product. |
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Mar 2 2018, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE(cDrew @ Mar 2 2018, 12:32 PM) Yes we understand the meaning of SIRIM certification but it is also important to note that as people might be afraid that the product is unsafe. Our company has a strong electrical background of manufacturing and selling LEDs to industrial factories and offices in Malaysia. if you really very BOLD enough to say this and that.We have customers who have vouched for us that the product is a working product. give me the website...i can have a look at it. But then go to this website http://electrical-engineering-portal.com/t...ld-power-savers this part is the best ****************************************************************************************************** Power factor correction devices improve power quality but do not generally improve energy efficiency (meaning they would not reduce your energy bill). There are several reasons why their energy efficiency claims could be exaggerated. First, residential customers are not charged for KVA – hour usage, but by kilowatt-hour usage. This means that any savings in energy demand will not directly result in lowering a residential user’s utility bill. ******************************************************************************************************* |
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Mar 2 2018, 12:43 PM
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################################################################################# Reactive power is not a problem for a Reactive Load of Home appliances like A.C, Freeze, motor for its operation. It is a problem for the electric utility company when they charge for KW only. If two customers both use the same amount of real energy but one has a power factor of 0.5, then that customer also draws double the current. This increased current requires the Power Company to use larger transformers, wiring and related equipment. To recover these costs Power Company charged a Penalty to industrial customers for their Low power factors and give them benefits if they improve their Power Factor in. Residential customers (homes) are never charged extra for their reactive Power.[B] ################################################################################## This post has been edited by MakNok: Mar 2 2018, 12:44 PM |
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Mar 2 2018, 12:46 PM
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Simple Calculation for Residential
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Let’s take One Example for reactive Load: A refrigerator having a rated Real Power of 100 watts at 220 V AC has a PF = 0.6. So Power=Volt X Ampere X P.F becomes 100 = 220 × A × 0.6 Therefore, A = 0.75 Ampere Now suppose after Installing Power Saver if the PF is brought to about 0.9, the above result will now show as: 100 = 220 × A × 0.9 And A = 0.5 Ampere In the second expression we clearly show that a reduction in current consumption by the refrigerator, but interestingly in both the above cases, the Real Power remains the same, i.e. the refrigerator continues to consume 100 watts, and therefore the utility bill remains the same. This simply proves that although the PF correction done by an energy saver may decrease the Amperage of the appliances, it can never bring down their power consumption and the electric Bill amount.[COLOR=red] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That why i say again....it won't work for home. This post has been edited by MakNok: Mar 2 2018, 12:48 PM |
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Mar 2 2018, 04:10 PM
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Not this shit again.
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Mar 2 2018, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE(MakNok @ Mar 1 2018, 09:44 PM) It all bullshit lah. Useful in industries with large inductive motors. House use more resistive load.As part of Energy Management.. Have gone thru those power saver devices....all useless mambo jumbo thing... Heard of credit card thingy? Even volunteer to the unit install the capacitor saver at Pavilion showroom.... Guess after few months still no showing any saving...ask them come and take back also never come. Infact the unit after about 2 year cause tripping at that showroom...suspect the capacitor saver faulty... Switch off ..until now no more tripping. Even went to Islamic University a month back to see installation of Huge Energy Saving Equipment. Just playing with supply from TNB where higher voltage are being flow thru their huge step down transformer to stable 415V.. Canggih Monitoring system. Household won't see much difference lo. Personally test those snake oil equipment at my house using those old type of aircond....don't see much difference le. So...canggih words like Harmonise electricty system....etc..all pure marketing words. If your device really work...i welcome you to pass your unit for me to test at my company..if really proven... I will be the 1st to push your product to use in my company. |
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Mar 2 2018, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE(RGRaj @ Mar 2 2018, 06:46 PM) Useful in industries with large inductive motors. House use more resistive load. Now...you saying it is most suitable for industries with large inductive motors.Yes...your company produce LED light which I admit it definitely cost saving which my company using now. You know how they claim saving for industries....by optimise the industrial voltage at steady 415V as TNB are known to supply in excess of 415VAC...at times up to 430VAC if I am correct. If your equipment can even.operate at 400V AC as indicated...even more saving... There is no magic lo. Currently Suruhanjaya Tenaga Malaysia don't like this type so call saving as what if TNB can really supply consistent 415V AC.....then the so call saving Module are totally white elephant. As part of Energy Management in my company...I know what can be saving or not.. Even Solar at current price cannot justifies saving at current high initial setup cost...ROI... But Ikea Cheras have very impressive 1MegaWatt Solar setup which is very costly and impressive. Whatever you selling will only work for those old.industries who never upgrade their motors.. But seriously ...don't try to bullshit for resident as it just a myth. |
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Mar 2 2018, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE(MakNok @ Mar 2 2018, 12:46 PM) Simple Calculation for Residential I major in energy system and what MakNok mentioned is correct. Even if it really improves power factor, TNB still charges base on actual consumed power.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Let’s take One Example for reactive Load: A refrigerator having a rated Real Power of 100 watts at 220 V AC has a PF = 0.6. So Power=Volt X Ampere X P.F becomes 100 = 220 × A × 0.6 Therefore, A = 0.75 Ampere Now suppose after Installing Power Saver if the PF is brought to about 0.9, the above result will now show as: 100 = 220 × A × 0.9 And A = 0.5 Ampere In the second expression we clearly show that a reduction in current consumption by the refrigerator, but interestingly in both the above cases, the Real Power remains the same, i.e. the refrigerator continues to consume 100 watts, and therefore the utility bill remains the same. This simply proves that although the PF correction done by an energy saver may decrease the Amperage of the appliances, it can never bring down their power consumption and the electric Bill amount.[COLOR=red] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That why i say again....it won't work for home. |
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