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 Setia Alam by SP Setia, Township project in Shah Alam

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yumyum77
post Aug 11 2009, 11:47 PM

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kenny, u sure know alot about SA, so how many units u got there? brows.gif brows.gif

Btw the 36 months warranty were already in place long before those serious soil settlement appeared.
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post Aug 13 2009, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(KeNNy @ Aug 12 2009, 07:38 PM)

Actually not too difficult to know about SA because their masterplans and show units are already completed in the sales gallery.
You know what you buy, how it looks like, and where it's located. Quite different from the traditional paradigm of buying landed houses solely from floor plans.
Can't say I know much about SA - just learnt from the rest. Many people in the forum kswong directed you to know far much more.
It all started when I was looking around quite a bit and a while to get my own property. I surveyed BK9, Alam Impian, KK, PH, USJ, Bkt Jelutong, Denai Alam.
In the end decided SA. But well, that doesn't mean everyone will share the same cup of tea.

Anyway, SA is for own stay smile.gif Haven't reach the stage in life to invest in properties yet.

The soil issue widely discussed quite heavily in the threads there. Some are happy with the developer being committed to helping residents solve their issues, some not too happy. Suggest you draw your own conclusions smile.gif Anyway, new phases have a different foundation design (also more expensive) which makes the soil settlement irrelevant.
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Actually not too difficult to know about SA because their masterplans and show units are already completed in the sales gallery.
You know what you buy, how it looks like, and where it's located. Quite different from the traditional paradigm of buying landed houses solely from floor plans. Can't say I know much about SA - just learnt from the rest. Many people in the forum kswong directed you to know far much more.
It all started when I was looking around quite a bit and a while to get my own property. I surveyed BK9, Alam Impian, KK, PH, USJ, Bkt Jelutong, Denai Alam.
In the end decided SA. But well, that doesn't mean everyone will share the same cup of tea.

Same here, I was impressed with the whole SA concept thing a few years back when i visited their old sales gallery at p8. Dealing with their staff was easy, from sales to VP although there have been complaints lately about bad staff. I'm surprised how fast it is to get to kelana jaya,subang jaya and damansara using the NKVE, also shah alam city centre is just on the other side of the NKVE near the setia alam toll. Hopefully, they will build an access road either through the bandaraya/lebar daun development ( U11) or cahaya alam.

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Some are happy with the developer being committed to helping residents solve their issues, some not too happy. Suggest you draw your own conclusions smile.gif Anyway, new phases have a different foundation design (also more expensive) which makes the soil settlement irrelevant.

Happy or not, I think it equates to how severe the problems the owners have with their houses. Minor defects = happy, major ones will surely be a nightmare and leave a bad taste.

manjitsingh, sorry to hear about your situation. sad.gif Do keep us updated.
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post Aug 13 2009, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 13 2009, 06:57 PM)
Folks,

1) If you have ANY doubts, do not buy new house.  Let OTHERS take the risk.  Buy one or two years old house.  You may pay 10% or 20% more but compare to having a house with sinking foundation, it is better.

2) My family has been in Klang for 150+ years.  So, we know that area's history quite well.

3) It is VERY SIMPLE.  Buy the house on the higher ground side of this area.  Then, you avoid all this problem.  How do you know which part is on the higher ground?? The OLD Klang resident know this.

4) Setia Alam has enough land to build over the next 20 years.  There is NO NEED to rush.

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Hi dreamer, can you please clarify on 2 and 3. I'm sure everyone here would like to know.
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post Aug 13 2009, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 13 2009, 07:09 PM)
yumyum77,

If you live in that area long enough, you know which part of the land is soft and tend to be flooded over the long period (50 years).  And, you know which part of the land is on the higher ground.

This is a COMMON problem of building house on Palm Oil Estate land.

10+ years agao, I was looking at some houses at USJ.  They have the same foundation problem too.

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Which part dreamer? North, south? the area nearer to jln meru?
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post Aug 13 2009, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 13 2009, 07:18 PM)
yumyum77,

It is NOT as simple as that.  People that live around there has memory of where is the high ground.

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If i show you a map of the area, can u spot the lower ground places?
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post Aug 14 2009, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(KeNNy @ Aug 13 2009, 11:40 PM)
The new foundations are different and again, becomes less relevant. If one really decides to get a place, would strongly suggest to look into the details, and rather than getting trapped in the generalizations. This will allow you to have enough information to make a good decision, avoid risks, and most importantly not lose opportunities.

Anyway to answer your question, refer to this map - although it is less relevant in new design - but if you want to buy something absolutely on higher ground - then it's a good reference:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3632/364197...0aa504e19_o.jpg

Here are some general statements common - which all turns out to be wrong!:
- USJ / Subang during that time had mention air plane could crash or leak petrol on top of Subang houses?
- USJ palm oil estate - foundation issues
- Sunway & Puchong on top of ex-mining area - so lousy land?
- Kota Kemuning near sea level - so not safe?
- Sentul old area - can never develop?
- Netherlands below sea level so very dangerous?
- Singapore's buildings are build on top of reclaimed land made from sand?
- Dubai's tallest tower is build on top of structurally modified island - how can it be safe?
- etc

Moral: Data can be interpreted in many ways - just be aware of the different bad (and good) views, and odn't jump to conclusions so quickly.
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Yup i know about the new foundations/design and all. Since this dreamer says his family stayed in the area for 150 years, it would be interesting to hear what he got to say laugh.gif . It's fine too if he doesn't want to reveal his 'secret' laugh.gif .

Basically, from your google map/earth tool the blue areas are all lower ground, am I correct? Almost all area at the south side of P8 is on lower ground and that's where the early phases are. North side of p8 is on higher ground, it gets higher as we move east towards p6 and then to the highest place in SA.(except for the northern part of p7). We wouldn't know if there was a stream or ponds that were filled when they cleared the land unless we dig out some info from some gov dept brows.gif brows.gif .

I still believe this is a nice place to stay despite the serious soil settlement issues experienced by some owners. It would be interesting to see SP Setia's response to this problem... too much is at stake to let it pass as word gets around fast ( i'm already contributing to it) laugh.gif
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post Aug 14 2009, 02:30 PM

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hello miss captain obvious. whistling.gif
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post Aug 15 2009, 03:52 AM

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kenny, some people 'paint' a bad picture of something possibly for their own gain. everyone got their own agenda when they post in this thread brows.gif . As for SARA forums, they are mostly friendly and helpful people there and good to know that it's a nice community there on and off the forums. thumbup.gif
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post Aug 15 2009, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 15 2009, 11:19 AM)


A) Pay 10% to 20% more for 2 years' old house

versus

B) Losing 100% on a house with a foundation problem??

Most people ONLY buy one house in their life.  This is ONE of the BIGGEST purchase in their life.

Comparing (A) versus (B), which one is a more reasonable approach??

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That's just what 'manjitsingh' did, purchasing a second hand property.

kenny, don't mind the guy, he likes to give cryptic answers all the time.
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post Sep 21 2009, 02:00 PM

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So what happened to that manjitsingh, problem solved lesap begitu saja?
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post Sep 23 2009, 02:03 PM

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Goto SARA forums, all info there.

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