I'm one of the buyer in SetiaAlam(SA). I purchase the house in 2006 and till now I cannot go in despite having my 7feet backyard renovated. Why??

I remember the time when I collected the key, one of the site-supervisor follow me to the house to do the buy-off. When I step in, i saw the soil in my garden and backyard has sunk 10cm. I also can see clearly beneath my house. I did ask him why this cavity and he gently replied that they will close it with sand. Even after top up with sand, the soil sinks another 10cm and at some location my feet can sink 30cm after stepping on it. I made second complaint and this time SA use mixture of sand and cement to close the gap and finally cover it with full sand. I waited 6 months and I saw no more sinking and therefore started the construction.

1. Backyard - the ground beam is sinking due to soil settlement. The soil settle almost 2cm every 3months and until now SA cannot tell me when the settlement will stabalize. I was told that the soil in SA is marine clay and after doing reserach in net, many expert mention that the characteristics of marine clay not suitable for housing because the present of moisture will caused the soil to expand and during dry season it will shrink. This expand-shrink will cause soil errosion in long term. SA washed hand not responsible on renovated portionof the house because my contractor never do proper piling. If bakau piling cannot hold my 7x20feet structure what else to say further. Sa suggest us to do RC piling. Who in the hell will do RC piling to hold 7x20feet structure?? Are we building 5storey building. Because my house already extended my backyard completed on Mac2009 and it's already sinking. In May09 after heavy rain the first diagonal crack of 0.5mm appear on my column. In AUgust 2009, the crack widen to 5mm. My wall tiles also start cracking. SA suggest me to do underpining using API pipes which will cost me RM26k. This is most expansive and time consuming renovation.

2. The soil beneath the ground floor already sink at least 1feet. The master bedroom toilet sanitary pipe that come down under my living area floor is just sagging with any ground support because the soil settlement. I told SA to do the grouting to fill it up with concrete because I worry in 10-20yrs time, the elbow pipe joint will gave away. They said when the pipe burst they will act on it. This is not a answers I was expecting. Maybe they said my backyard extension damage is caused by my contractor not doing piling but how about the soil settlement beneath my house? Now the rat also srat staying inside and maybe in 10yrs time when some rat died below my living room, the smell will effect the owner.

3. The 1/2 of porch original fencing is net type. I replace it with brickwall. Now the wall both side is tilting and settling together with the main-gate pillars.

The damages above not only for my house but also in my neighbours house. House they built on hill-cut have no issue but think 100-times when buying house on patches land. Pls visit link below for pictures

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2015...36&l=f0e883c2da



This post has been edited by manjitsingh: Aug 13 2009, 12:03 PM

Kenny,
The link below already block by setial alam developer. If you think they're rightful why they want stop this topic. Why do they interfere?? Turth is always painful but the mistake their contractor did in buiding the phase1 is what the pain I'm going through now. I started renovation since Dec08 and until now I cannot move in because this problem.
If the cavity under my house that happen due to soil settlement is not fillied in, in 10-20yrs thousand or millions of cockroaches or even rats will be nesting under our houses. When cockroach die we won't know but we will sure know when rat die beneath our house.

The bandar setia alam managemant are not telling the truth to their boss Tan Sri Liew. i soon will be lodging police report under civil law against this tan sri for cheating me and giving me low cost quality house.

http://forum.setiaalam.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=114&start=750

I'm only earn RM3800 per month and pay RM1100 to citibank for my loan and this is the most expansive stuff i bought in my life so far and most likely i will be paying for it until my head hair turn white. But the stupid tan sri already sucking my blood and living in luxury life. I curse him that he and his family will die from cancer in most painful manner. bastaaaard..........

Kenny,
pls get you fact right and don't confuse others here. I'm complaining the soil settlement 1feet beneath the ORIGINAL house not the renovated portion. Eventhough the ORIGINAL house have no issue but the CAVITY beneath my house is my large concern. I worried if soil settlement didn't stop it will effect the underground services such as cold water, sanitary and sewerage pipes. I'm not talking for next 3-5yrs but I'm serious of what could happen in next 10-20years time. My sanitary pipe is already sagging without ground support and this includes my neighbour's house. You know what will be the cost for you to repair this sanitary pipes if it burst in 10years time? For some maybe cost is not the factor but remember the hassle and whole lot of the living hall need to be hacked to find the leaking pipe that causes the foul smell.

I'm an Engineer and I knew every material use in construction has shelf life including the PVC glue they use to stick those elbow joint on the uPVC pipes.

Another of my concern is that this cavity will become the breeding ground for rat and cockroaches. THe household gonna have tough time controlling this creature and I have photograpgh taken to proog this.

Next 20years, whole neighbourhood will have plenty of rat and cockroaches and the damage sanitary pipes will provide them the organic food.

Anyone want to welcome this experience, please go ahead to purchase them. It;s not only my house but entire neighbourhood is what I'm concerning. I prefer to live in clean and healthy environment. I don't prefer in 20yrs time we will see rat a siza of cat running across the roads while you are having a cup of tea on you balcony.

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Added on August 15, 2009, 11:45 amKenny,
I got one more question to ask you.
Why setia alam building new house with large built-up area? Only 3feet land is left over behind for septic tank. Is this standard MBSA building plan?? Why do they change the standard plane. The first phase where i'm staying, the house built up for 20x70 is around 1440sqft and got 10feet land on the backyard but their new houses the built up for 20x70 is nearly 1700sqft and only got 3feet land on the backyard. Only people without confidence in their soil will build the houses such a way.

This post has been edited by manjitsingh: Aug 15 2009, 11:47 AM

Kenny how come you are avoiding my question below?? I suspect you guys are not residence but sales representative from Setia Alam. Just to make sales by hookm or crook. Pls answer my question below!!!WHY WHY WHY!!!!!!!


Added on August 15, 2009, 11:45 amKenny,
I got one more question to ask you.
Why setia alam building new house with large built-up area? Only 3feet land is left over behind for septic tank. Is this standard MBSA building plan?? Why do they change the standard plane. The first phase where i'm staying, the house built up for 20x70 is around 1440sqft and got 10feet land on the backyard but their new houses the built up for 20x70 is nearly 1700sqft and only got 3feet land on the backyard. Only people without confidence in their soil will build the houses such a way.

Sorry Kenny and KSWong for making such a remark on you guys. Just testing you to know the truth. You know why i become suspicious:-

1. Setia ALam forum talk about soil settlement has been blocked by Bandar Setia Alam coz they try to protect the developer and the investor.

2. Some truth that I posted they also been deleted by admin. Example:-
a) The unit replacement offer is given to different people in different ways. When i receuved the email from SA, i cut paste that email in the forum but deleted by SANET(Setia Alam Net).

b) The truth that i revealed in the forum also deleted. When i pretend become the buyer, i went to their Welcome centre and there i asked the sales lady about rumour on soil settlement and she replied to me saying the soil settlement only affected the first phase due to theor contractor's negligence but SA already sacked the contractor and SA are rectifying the problem with the owner.

If you don't believe (b), just make a visit there and i'm 100% sure they will say "don't worry sir, the soil settlement problem only form phase 1 units but new units all have no problem".......that means we all become ginny-pigs is it????

I'm not worried about crack on wall and fencing but very much worried on the soil settle beneath the house is almost 1feet. The sanitary pipes are sagging. In matter of time 5-10yrs time, huge number of rats will live underneath the house and start biting this pipes. When this happen, no point we repair the underground sanitary pipes because it will be damaged again by this rats unless we removed entirely the rat population which I say IMPOSSIBLE!! Better get them fill-up gap under original house before it's too late.

Most of you guys are just seeing outer part of the house but forgotten the below section. SA already avoiding my question on soil beneath the house made me very very angry!!!!

Last Sunday went to Welcome centre and i burst myself out at the customer care and the sales representative. They were huge crowd of potential buyer looking at the scene. You think I like to do this is it? I have no choice my friends, i have no choice......

Again sorry for making such remarks.

KSWong,
Yes u are right, I become suspicious because immediately after receiving the email regarding upgrading/replacement programme, I quickly cut and paste in SARA but i exclude the sender's email address. What surprise me, it was removed immediately by SARA admin. Who have instructed moderators to delete the information? Is it moderators or setia alam official or the setia alam email sender??

I cannot believe SARA is independent. They're fully funded by SA. I'm not sure but I suspect the moderators are on SA pay-roll.

Very dis-heartning when Setia Alam locked down the Soil Settlement threads from the forum. They are hiding something that very important for owner's to know. I pity for those who swallow everything said by them on soil settlement.

Yesterday noon i was with my civil friend and he told me that not to buy house when you knew developer is using piling for the foundation. If developer use the piling, it means the soil is not suitable for building. It will continuously to sink bit by bit.

I observe setia alam is using piling machine that they use to build bridges. Why do they need such machines? Are they building 10-storey high building?? No! only building 2-storey houses.

I rather prefer the to return back my deposits, lawyer fees, my 36months bank payment. I prefer to buy house else way because if I continue to stay there every 2-3years i need to spend money repair my house such as crack, cold water pipes and sanitary pipes.

MyDraguun,
No further reply doesn't means you don't want to know my side of stories. What you cut and paste is just head and tail with missing link. What I discover about soil is during the construction time and after cosntruction, the developer told me the original soil is around 10feet inside. How the hell my machine can dig further. Also, the bakau cannot even panetrate the red-soil that i thought suppose to be hill soil. The developer should have given us reminder in written on soil condition and certain criteria for renovation because SA said their soil are little special. I still clearly remembered caling developer's help during piling time and the fuc*ing customer care lady b*tch was mumbling and later transfer me to someone who cannot even tell me what is the color of the original soil. On top of that, it about to rain and my contractor told me to decide fast or else the 7feet hole will be filled by rain water. So I told them to build the footing there.

Just to make you clear, the whole episode doesn't happen in one night, it takes months for the crack to appear and each time my comments has changed based on my findings. So you don't please cover-up developer's ass by confusing people here with my findings in Dec08 and Aug09 about SetiuAlam unprofessional developer cum stupid people with pig engineering brain that was hired to do the construction of the houses there wihtout doing proper analysis.

Hope you're reading this....my latest discovery, 1feet cavity underneath original house, the increase of rats populations inside the cavity and sagging sanitary pipes due to loss of ground support cause by soil settlement under the ORIGINAL house. THIS IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN RIGHT NOW

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Added on August 20, 2009, 1:30 pmBelow is just my personal view.

The current high prices for setiu alum house is not because the township is going to become super-dupper. They're the biggest con-man in the town and all stupid idiots like you and me are been played upside down. They are playing with our intelligent because average typical malaysian think when new township prices increased 30-40% in 12month time means the place will become BOOOM
Let me explain further here:-
How can new 20x70 house can be priced RM350k? What facilities does setia alam has that suddenly the priced gone up so high. So far I only can see Tesco, what else?? The whole place still look like a desert. Why are the prices so high? When we buyer buy at high price example RM350k for intermediate 20x70, how much can the buyer sell to get maximum profit margin? Buyer or the investor pls think this. Can you be able to sell it for RM400k after buying it at RM350k? Does anyone want to buy intermediate unit for the price RM500k in Klang!!! Only idiot will buy it. In 2006, the 20x70 price was RM225k and now just 500m away, same 20x70 is sold for RM350k.

I think(my personal view) the developer put-up high price NOT because the are will become BOOM but because
a) they have included the cost for piling, - just drive around the place and see for yourself type of piling machine used. WCT developer that building houses in Bandar Parklands only use A-shape hammer for piling and their houses 20x70 is only RM240k with 5mins drive to Bkt Tinggi Jusco and 10mins to Hospital.

b) cost to make maximum built-up because don't want buyer to complain soil settlement during renovation (This mean they have no confidence on their soil). Their new 20x70 already has built-up to 1700sqft. Their old 20x70 normally have 1380sqft.

c) My personal opinion saying that maybe they have included the cost for risk-factor for each unit just incase some soil settlement happen in new areas.

This post has been edited by manjitsingh: Aug 20 2009, 01:34 PM