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post Oct 10 2011, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(venven81 @ Oct 10 2011, 12:25 PM)
i love what ecopark has to offer but not SA in particular. few years back the 1st phase at ecopark was selling at only RM600k++ but now the semi-d starts from how much? i can't even follow the latest pricing coz it's selling too good!  rclxub.gif
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comparing Ecopark and AI is like adult vs boy......not like for like comparison now but the latter got more legs to run in longer term. thumbup.gif


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post Oct 11 2011, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 11 2011, 05:55 PM)
yeah I know...you only look at house, not a homely environment...that's why you perceived AI is good buy.....

why buy so far away? Putra Heights 500k can't get meh?
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bro, any examples of spacious DSL(>2800sf) in PH at below $250psf?

AI defo has more legs than PH and SA in terms of cap gain...
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post Oct 13 2011, 07:15 PM

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from the pic, the real built up for this 24'x80' DSL is 47.5'x24'.

So gross BU is 2714sf and nett BU is ard 2500sf.....

say 800k subsale price and 2500sf nett BU, price is $320psf.....not meeting my investment criteria

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post Oct 13 2011, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(nkhong @ Oct 13 2011, 09:32 PM)
Hi bro,

What is gross vs net build up? How to get the figure? 47.5 x 24 = 1140 x 2 floor = 2280 ....
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ground floor = 47.5'x 24'= 1140sf
first floor = 57.5'x 24' = 1380sf

total nett bu is around 2500sf.....my best guestimate and i stand to be corrected

the 2714sf gross bu could have included sheltered car porch area
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post Oct 14 2011, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(nkhong @ Oct 14 2011, 12:33 AM)
Your eyes si pek keng  notworthy.gif  ... I zoom zoom zoom the photo also cannot get the length reading
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i have a fren who is more keng chow than me....using a ruler to measure every corner of a house during VP to ensure total bu is exactly as per SnP doh.gif


Added on October 14, 2011, 1:05 am
QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 13 2011, 11:24 PM)
again...this part i dun really understand.....

just because AI is offering bigger land at same high price with other development, then its becoming a desireable place to stay lioa?

there are reasons why SA can demand this price at smaller plot.....

but you choose to ignore these facts...but keep on selling AI....just because it offers a bigger house?

BTW, I am not here to sell SA.....i also couldn't care less if ppl wanna buy SA, DA or AI......i know my budget, and I know my expectation...
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bro, i am vested in AI and SA. Allow me to give my 2 kupang here.

undoubtedly SA has good amenities and value will be further strengthened when SCM is operational next year.....

i see AI is following the footsteps of SA...perhaps due to the sharing of same father (PNB). AI investors generally looking at the future unlocked value of AI and not today...just like what SA buyers did few yrs ago

IMO, amenities does not necessarily next to the house. if amenities are reachable within 5km and accessible w/o many traffic lights, it's considered good. Based on this, AI does meet this criteria due to its adjacent to Kota Kemuning and Tmn Sri Muda townships within 5km.....most amenities available in SA also the same in KK and easily accessible by AI residents. There also strong likelihood that an international school will set up in AI due to its large landbank.

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post Oct 14 2011, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 14 2011, 09:22 AM)
we should comment as if we are not vested.... rclxm9.gif
it could be 5km, but need to pay toll whoa each time......

ta pou breakfast, need to pay toll
drop children off school, need to pay toll
ta pou lunch, need to pay toll
pick up children from school, need to pay toll
ta pou dinner, need to pay toll

if after EPL game, wanna supper, need to pay toll......

BUT my so called argument is not about comparing this development and that development.....when buy a house, it's radically different from yester-years....you look at the whole master development, planned (and most importantly executed) amenities timely, access, value for money buy (not necessarily bigger and larger house), and priority these days, proper GnG.

if you have read the news of yet another robbery turned residents got killed in a car robbery outside your gate...in non GnG housing esate...2 days ago.....I rather live in 20x70 small bird cage GG home, then living in a 26x85 non GG superlinks.....it's just not worth it.

AI, being 50% bumi allocation, meaning the developer needs to cari the lost revenue from existing non-bumi lots, I wonder how they still can keep their margin going.....
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aiyoyo, now i know why some1 like to bean counting w/o able to differentiate a tree from a forest....kekeke

staying in SA no need to pay toll, izzit? seems you have yet to see the entire AI........let's use hard facts and not imagination or perception

Fact 1: there is a back way in AI to go to Tmn Sri Muda and KK to do those daily stuff as you said without paying LKSA toll.
Fact 2 : for Pentas new launch, it will be guarded and likely to be fenced upon VP. Utimately AI will be FnG area. I currently staying in a FnG area and my siblings staying at fully GnG in famous sierxamxs. From statistics, break in and theft of the latter is worst than my current place. Some GnG is safer than FnG just a perception. Do you have evidence to substantiate the break-in cases in AI is higher than SA?
Fact 3 : value is perceived differently by individual. You look at present value of SA and i look at future value of AI....pointless to debate this unless we revisit this thread 3 yrs later. This was the same debate 3 yrs ago SA vs PJ/Subang .
Fact 4 : 50% bumi allocation. So far no problem for AI and all phases sold out.....don;t discriminate here and i am colour blind. Btw, allow me to remind you SPS will soon become subsidiary of PNB.

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post Oct 14 2011, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 14 2011, 11:59 AM)
fact1: it's worth it to use back way just to tapoa chu yuk fan? yawn.gif
fact2: where you obtained the so called "statistics"? AI got statistics on break in cases one meh? As far as I know, you guys dun even have home owners association......
if guarded only, the entire SA under Setia is currently guarded also.
GnG is safer than FnG is not a perception. it's a theory.
I never quoted any break in cases comparing AI and SA. I was just referring to a robbery/murder case happened two days ago at one of the non GG housing estates.
fact3: value can be seem in 2 ways - monetary value and intangible value. I believe we are not even debating about which development will appreciate in monetary value in the future better. We are discussing on the emotional benefits for own stay.
fact4: that will be the problem - if AI all sold out....meaning 50% of the buyers are buying at 7% or 10% cheaper than the rest. Guess who is footing the bills for the discount? who discriminate? I think only our beloved govt practises discrimination here...not me. I am just quoting from known facts!
Subsidiary of PNB or not, SA already >50% developed.
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this thread slowly entering into holier-than-thou debate btw AI and SA......continuous arguing is wasting our time here and only piss off other forummers....let them read and judge

pointless for me to response to those alleged "facts" you mentioned although i can punch holes easily.......understand you are MBA qualified and i am very ïmpressed"with your "trained judgement and hollistic analysis".....kekeke!


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post Oct 14 2011, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 14 2011, 12:18 PM)
i agree. it's time wasting....

but you are embarking on personal attack......very tasteless... mad.gif
anywhere, it happens all the time in the forum...when ppl run out of value debating points, they tend to go for personal attack....
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give you compliment also kena hentam.... doh.gif .hehehe

i shld thank you for defending SA as i am vested there... rclxms.gif
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post Oct 14 2011, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 14 2011, 12:22 PM)
actually, for own say, i would rather buy those 20-30yrs older houses......in PJ.....
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but PJ areas with 20-30years old houses got no full GnG ....so how do ownstay there? no fear of murder/robbery cases meh?? wink.gif


Added on October 14, 2011, 12:34 pm
QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 14 2011, 12:22 PM)
Jet, I can read btw the line.....i ain't that stupid, just because I did buy anything in AI.... tongue.gif
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buy anything or nothing in AI?

see....you are making assumption here again

nobody is stupid here....all very cerdik-cerdik ones!! :


Added on October 14, 2011, 12:36 pm
QUOTE(1ullaby @ Oct 14 2011, 12:27 PM)
u ahh .. manyak vested interest here and there leh biggrin.gif
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boss....don't char me la....i could only afford less than $1m props.

but i am very privileged to have die-hards to defend the value of my small investments

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post Oct 14 2011, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 14 2011, 02:17 PM)
the truth is all homebuyers and investors in west kv would have checked sa, da, ai.
and kota kemuning, bukit rimau.
and ambang, bandar botanic, bkt tinggi, bandar puteri klang.
everyone's smart enough to evaluate their choices!
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yup.....care to share which area(s) you mentioned is/are undervalue if you wear the lens of investors ?


Added on October 14, 2011, 2:30 pm
QUOTE(Apscen @ Oct 14 2011, 02:24 PM)
if u married with 3-4 kids, bring your wife visit a superlink, see if she will nag you ' see, ask u chose a bigger house, u dun listen '  sweat.gif

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bro, you berri keng chow....dat's what my wifey has been nagging me about my current house notworthy.gif

in my humble view, i see the potential value of spacious superlink for those like me who cannot afford smd or b'galow or corner linked but wanted the bigger space in a homely and quiet neighbourhood......

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post Oct 14 2011, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(nkhong @ Oct 14 2011, 02:37 PM)
You need "Space to think" right !!?? I think your houses can at least form golden rectangle (maybe is pentagon or heksagon i am not sure la). Sell off this golden rectangle should be able to get u a b'galow ....
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bro, current hse cannot sell la....it's my first house and a lot of sentimental and fengsui value....need to pass this hse to my children from generation to generation....kekeke
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post Oct 14 2011, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(Apscen @ Oct 14 2011, 04:09 PM)
but with all your purchases, your wife should be happy2 no more nag everyday 'darling~' liao..... thumbup.gif
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Lol.....Obedient hubby club?

boss very experience....pui fook notworthy.gif


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post Oct 14 2011, 11:47 PM

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again......another wrong assumption made by Mr Bean ......... doh.gif

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post Oct 15 2011, 11:12 AM

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even i am vested in SA oso don;t feel like i am welcomed by certain individuals unless i go along the herd to proclaim and affirm SA buys are the bestest....hehehe

SA Keng! SA Mou Tak Teng!!!
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post Oct 15 2011, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(keane04 @ Oct 15 2011, 11:16 AM)
Dun b so negative la. Aiyo. Everyone has his/her 2 cents to spare ma.
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bro, mana ada negative?? i just lauded SA success......didn't i?
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post Oct 16 2011, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 16 2011, 11:51 AM)
true....at this rate, SA is overpriced.....for a 20x70 home....you can actually get available subsales at a tad lower price for similar landplot.

having said so, it still doesn't mean AI is better buy, just because they priced the same as SA, but give you slightly bigger land plot, say 24x80 or 24x85......

if wanna buy AI, then no diff from buying Saujana Putra.....
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alamak doh.gif ........... another "Mind Boggling Assumption" again by Mr Bean..... rclxub.gif tongue.gif


Added on October 16, 2011, 9:58 pm
QUOTE(keane04 @ Oct 16 2011, 02:19 PM)
my very own 2 cents. if anyone dun like wat i say. jus laugh at me and leave me alone.

skali exit from LAKSA, i see a huge piece of "tapak masjid". period.
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hehehe......i see a big vacant land btw Tesco and Maybank/Caltex in SA. any idea what is it for? wink.gif

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post Oct 16 2011, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 16 2011, 10:02 PM)
if you have done MBA (not saying you haven't), you surely know from chapter 101 of MBA is that there is no right or wrong answer for most opinions.

you don't necessarily have to agree with me, but by inserting sacratic remarks won't necessarily elevate your input to a higher level.
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did i disagree with you?

your are such a 'great sage and astute investor' and your analysis makes my kepala spinning and catch-no-ball......clearly i am not up to your level notworthy.gif


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post Oct 16 2011, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 16 2011, 10:39 PM)
please don't insult the intelligence of readers here....
we know how to read btw the lines.....

i never proclaim that I am an astute investor...i wasn't the one that claimed to have properties in SA and AI....
i am just sharing my opinions.....
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like you, i am also sharing my views ....but adopting a reactive, non-argumentative and mild approach

perhaps the underlying truth hurts.....siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas


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post Oct 16 2011, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Oct 16 2011, 10:58 PM)
Jet kor, I respect you......as an astute investor.....
in property investment, there is no truth.....only facts....

I am raising my white flag to "tou hong".....it aint bring more benefits to readers here if we continue with our further insertions......
it definitely won't benefit me at all.....
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Bro,
i ain't astute investor....the real ones will not have much time like me to lurk around and tcss

chill and peace.... icon_rolleyes.gif

i tabik your defend of SA....altho we are not aligned on AI.....well, it's diversity, live and let live!!
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QUOTE(keane04 @ Oct 16 2011, 11:31 PM)
That big vacant land is jus right out of setia alam exit of nkve? I didn't know that. wink.gif

I just dun wan the friday noon jam and morning call


Added on October 16, 2011, 11:34 pm

No matter what, giv uniglo some credits la. BSC is far but look at the price. It's fair and square. After all, it's constructive comparison, isn't it?

But, having said that. Distance is relative.
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yup, it will be a mosque there as per SA masterplan...will be built eventually due to demographic mix in SA

for BSC, those who bought early phases ady locked in good paper gain......imo, SA prosperity will defo spillover to BSC sooner or latter.

Btw BSC and Emerald Rawang, which will b a better buy for ownstay viewing both seems far to KL/PJ?

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