i agree with you. SA has a lot more to offer than AI, regardless which angle u look at it , live learn work play ...

IMO, it is not comparable, SA vs AI. SP Setia is excellent in developing township, and they have >4000 acres to develop vs 1200 acres for I&P to develop only for AI ... so it is difficult for AI to emulate the success of SA .. in fact, for any developer, it is difficult to develop a good and sustainable township unless they have >2000 acres of land ....

Hard to say if Mid-Valley is consider a township or not and i am not planning to debate on the terminology of township....but i think in the heart of most people, township is like a complete housing estate with all neccessary amenities (the key one are: balai polis / small station,  hospital/clinic, schools, supermarket, restaurant, banks, general shop like saloon, etc)....some township is not full self sustainable but some are fully sustainable....that's all depend on the density of population and the respective type of property.

I&P is not bad in twonship development, but it is more of that they are typical government, slow / no urgency, relatively lack of innovation (to put up big pulling factor), etc.

Last time SPS has clear cutting edge but after the leadership change, do you think it will be still the same? Luckily SA is almost done before takeover ...
For the price of house in AI nowaday, i am fine if InP deliver same township like kinrara, no need big big mall got giant or tesco enuf ... If they did extra or better than that, all the buyer hit 4d already, and that possibility is quite high.
Sorry if i am not welcome to comment AI in SA thread. I think we better continue this in AI thread.

the key success to new suburb developments is dev capability to innovate and differentiate.....this also aided by the essential "sparks" that will act as growth catalyst and put the township on "steroids"

- Rawang by Guocoland and Hong Bee ....sparks are Chinese school and Jusco
- SA by SP Setia - sparks are Chinese school/Tenby and connection to NKVE
- Puchong/Kinrara by IOI, SPS and InP - sparks are Kesas and LDP
- Kota Kemuning by Gamuda Land - spark is Kesas. KK was a maiden prop project by Gamuda but lacked the innovation and differentiation to enhance KK value. If Gamuda were to do like what SP Setia did to SA, KK will be like another Puchong.

It depend on where u wanna go actually, i dont really think alam impian is "freakishly" far. If alam impain is consider as freakishly far, so do setia alam, both are about same distance from KLCC. Kepong or pj might be nearer to setia alam but i dont think sunway is nearer to setia alam than alam impian, to me subang area, puchong, cyberjaya is nearer to alam impian.

I am not taking rubbish.
You want to know fact, I give you more fact.

PNB is lousy group of people run company, gave us 7% return on Amanah saham. ( so many other company also can give this return leah)

PNB got cheap cheap lisence, cheap finance from govt, doing business not fair playing,  control this and that, Sucking our blood building more a dn more highway below.

List of  Highway Control


Ampang-Kuala Lumpur Elevated Highway
Guthrie Corridor Expressway


Kemuning-Shah Alam Highway


Damansara-Shah Alam Highway
Sungai Besi - Ulu Kelang Expressway

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Added on April 30, 2012, 10:52 am

and beacuse PNB is so looser. Got to buy over good comaony to make is good. exaple Golden Hope, Sp setia.

property price ...

Sp Setia,  next year launch Double Storey link house price from 750K

At least two more, Sazean and Sunsuria.

At least two more, Sazean and Sunsuria.

West of PKNS land, North of Setia City Mall ? If yes, it belongs to Sazean (Anjung Sari, VP soon)

Abang chris. Ada lubang for this?

Got 17k + registrants! Looks like <1% chansi per number only. Hot hot buy

My numbers all 16xxx, and got long queue behind me summore.

Ok la. I put 9 names kena telur

possible... but seria88 and price is this one...

Thank for clarification, Malaysia ghost town.... but the mall is nice.