To be fair, I don't think I am. I didn't not make any statements mentioning there's still 20 years left in the landbank.
You did, remember?

dreamer,
Was this also the basis of your decision for avoiding Subang/USJ houses during the 1990s because it has foundation issues?
I'm sure most USJ buyers in the 1990s were very happy with their purchase. Many would laugh at the statement, but I respect you have a different view.

Maybe you got something more attrative, in that case I suggest you share.
Giving advice to everyone without no alternative, is not the best use of time for readers here.

That's just what 'manjitsingh' did, purchasing a second hand property.

kenny, don't mind the guy, he likes to give cryptic answers all the time.

KeNNy,

A) I have my OTHER reasons to avoid USJ houses.

B) I told you that I saw houses in USJ with lousy foundation and the wall cracked due to weak foundation.

Dreamer

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Added on August 15, 2009, 7:47 pmyumyum77,

<<'s just what 'manjitsingh' did, purchasing a second hand property.>>

A) A buyer had a completed house to look at. And, he still have problem. So, imagine the RISK that a buyer without a COMPLETED HOUSE to look at.

B) So, this just tell you that some problem take longer to show up. Or, you need BETTER SKILL to look out for those things. Do not make mistake that you can learn from OTHERS.

<<likes to give cryptic answers all the time.>>

C) I prefer to let the READER do the THINKING. We have enough SPOON FEEDING going around.

D) If the READER couldn't care less about their money, why should I worry for them???

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Aug 15 2009, 07:47 PM

Actually, the house that I am living is around 18 years plus and no issue so far..

Maybe it depends on luck...I will go see around my neighbourhood and see got any crack or not...

arsenal,
I concur. I've also been living 15 years in USJ, have tons of friends living here > 15 years.
None of us are having problems with USJ, foundations or what so ever. I can only admit we struggle with traffic jams.
Anyway, will leave it as that

Just got some confirmation that Setia Mall will have cinemas! Seems like the only location in Shah Alam with cinemas.
They've had a new model of the mall at the sales gallery.

Kenny how come you are avoiding my question below?? I suspect you guys are not residence but sales representative from Setia Alam. Just to make sales by hookm or crook. Pls answer my question below!!!WHY WHY WHY!!!!!!!


Added on August 15, 2009, 11:45 amKenny,
I got one more question to ask you.
Why setia alam building new house with large built-up area? Only 3feet land is left over behind for septic tank. Is this standard MBSA building plan?? Why do they change the standard plane. The first phase where i'm staying, the house built up for 20x70 is around 1440sqft and got 10feet land on the backyard but their new houses the built up for 20x70 is nearly 1700sqft and only got 3feet land on the backyard. Only people without confidence in their soil will build the houses such a way.

I am not sales representatives...I am landlored of a few houses in Subang..

people not asking u la.

anyways, it's interesting point to learnt from here.

I'm not a sales rep of SA too, and been living in USJ past > 15 years.


Manjit, Please find your answers in the Setia Alam forums thread. You have posted it there, got your answers.
As usual, you have a lot of unwarranted suspicions for people who have tried to help you. I find it disheartening that you think I'm an SA sales person.
Forgive me for ignoring you. Good luck. I hope you feel really good about this.

This post has been edited by KeNNy: Aug 16 2009, 05:08 PM

manjit, is unfair u give such a statement. based on my observation, i would say kenny is not sales representative from SP. He is the lowyat member since many years back and was only actively involving in this discussion recently. And if i not mistaken, he just bought 1 unit in SA recently.

Sorry Kenny and KSWong for making such a remark on you guys. Just testing you to know the truth. You know why i become suspicious:-

1. Setia ALam forum talk about soil settlement has been blocked by Bandar Setia Alam coz they try to protect the developer and the investor.

2. Some truth that I posted they also been deleted by admin. Example:-
a) The unit replacement offer is given to different people in different ways. When i receuved the email from SA, i cut paste that email in the forum but deleted by SANET(Setia Alam Net).

b) The truth that i revealed in the forum also deleted. When i pretend become the buyer, i went to their Welcome centre and there i asked the sales lady about rumour on soil settlement and she replied to me saying the soil settlement only affected the first phase due to theor contractor's negligence but SA already sacked the contractor and SA are rectifying the problem with the owner.

If you don't believe (b), just make a visit there and i'm 100% sure they will say "don't worry sir, the soil settlement problem only form phase 1 units but new units all have no problem".......that means we all become ginny-pigs is it????

I'm not worried about crack on wall and fencing but very much worried on the soil settle beneath the house is almost 1feet. The sanitary pipes are sagging. In matter of time 5-10yrs time, huge number of rats will live underneath the house and start biting this pipes. When this happen, no point we repair the underground sanitary pipes because it will be damaged again by this rats unless we removed entirely the rat population which I say IMPOSSIBLE!! Better get them fill-up gap under original house before it's too late.

Most of you guys are just seeing outer part of the house but forgotten the below section. SA already avoiding my question on soil beneath the house made me very very angry!!!!

Last Sunday went to Welcome centre and i burst myself out at the customer care and the sales representative. They were huge crowd of potential buyer looking at the scene. You think I like to do this is it? I have no choice my friends, i have no choice......

Again sorry for making such remarks.

manjit, i knew u r going through very bad things now. anyway, try to cool down a bit and solve the problem with SP. below is some of my personal view.

KSWong,
Yes u are right, I become suspicious because immediately after receiving the email regarding upgrading/replacement programme, I quickly cut and paste in SARA but i exclude the sender's email address. What surprise me, it was removed immediately by SARA admin. Who have instructed moderators to delete the information? Is it moderators or setia alam official or the setia alam email sender??

I cannot believe SARA is independent. They're fully funded by SA. I'm not sure but I suspect the moderators are on SA pay-roll.

Very dis-heartning when Setia Alam locked down the Soil Settlement threads from the forum. They are hiding something that very important for owner's to know. I pity for those who swallow everything said by them on soil settlement.

Yesterday noon i was with my civil friend and he told me that not to buy house when you knew developer is using piling for the foundation. If developer use the piling, it means the soil is not suitable for building. It will continuously to sink bit by bit.

I observe setia alam is using piling machine that they use to build bridges. Why do they need such machines? Are they building 10-storey high building?? No! only building 2-storey houses.

I rather prefer the to return back my deposits, lawyer fees, my 36months bank payment. I prefer to buy house else way because if I continue to stay there every 2-3years i need to spend money repair my house such as crack, cold water pipes and sanitary pipes.

just to correct you. it was not blocked by Setia Alam Developers. It was also not blocked by moderators. it was merely TEMPORARILY locked -- meaning no new posts. you have not even met the moderators or the owner of the site and you throw accusations like that.



may i remind you of these statements you made in that forum?



just because someone is not replying, doesn't mean they are not watching... and it does not mean they are not helping either.



p/s: there will be no further replies from me here...

This post has been edited by mydragoon: Aug 18 2009, 04:49 PM

now Setia Alam house price drop???

I told everyone and everyone said avoid Setia Alam...

Better safe than sorry...

I don't think the prices will drop. However, due to huge current and future supply in this township project, prices will remain stagnant for quite some times. In fact, the location is quite a distance from KL. It is more owner occupation rather than speculation.

Don't think it's dropping - only seen it increasing every phase. One benchmark is to see the launch price of future phases and if indeed can sell.
And yes, it's owner occupied and hence less speculation - people who buy will live there - hoping for a more conducive neighbourhood as a result

In the short term, I don't expect prices to go up as much compared to other places in KL.
So short term investment, it's maybe not the best choice as there're more places showing huge returns e.g. Bandar Kinrara.
But on the longer term, probably more upside. It's a major mixed development cityship, and don't think there's any larger development in Malaysia now, except, maybe Johor Iskandar region.
In the Klang Valley, probably Alam Impian by I&P is the next contender in township size.



On the flipside, SP Setia has lots at stake as a major portions undeveloped.
So if they screw up, can forget about getting buyers for future phases.

MyDraguun,
No further reply doesn't means you don't want to know my side of stories. What you cut and paste is just head and tail with missing link. What I discover about soil is during the construction time and after cosntruction, the developer told me the original soil is around 10feet inside. How the hell my machine can dig further. Also, the bakau cannot even panetrate the red-soil that i thought suppose to be hill soil. The developer should have given us reminder in written on soil condition and certain criteria for renovation because SA said their soil are little special. I still clearly remembered caling developer's help during piling time and the fuc*ing customer care lady b*tch was mumbling and later transfer me to someone who cannot even tell me what is the color of the original soil. On top of that, it about to rain and my contractor told me to decide fast or else the 7feet hole will be filled by rain water. So I told them to build the footing there.

Just to make you clear, the whole episode doesn't happen in one night, it takes months for the crack to appear and each time my comments has changed based on my findings. So you don't please cover-up developer's ass by confusing people here with my findings in Dec08 and Aug09 about SetiuAlam unprofessional developer cum stupid people with pig engineering brain that was hired to do the construction of the houses there wihtout doing proper analysis.

Hope you're reading this....my latest discovery, 1feet cavity underneath original house, the increase of rats populations inside the cavity and sagging sanitary pipes due to loss of ground support cause by soil settlement under the ORIGINAL house. THIS IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN RIGHT NOW

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Added on August 20, 2009, 1:30 pmBelow is just my personal view.

The current high prices for setiu alum house is not because the township is going to become super-dupper. They're the biggest con-man in the town and all stupid idiots like you and me are been played upside down. They are playing with our intelligent because average typical malaysian think when new township prices increased 30-40% in 12month time means the place will become BOOOM
Let me explain further here:-
How can new 20x70 house can be priced RM350k? What facilities does setia alam has that suddenly the priced gone up so high. So far I only can see Tesco, what else?? The whole place still look like a desert. Why are the prices so high? When we buyer buy at high price example RM350k for intermediate 20x70, how much can the buyer sell to get maximum profit margin? Buyer or the investor pls think this. Can you be able to sell it for RM400k after buying it at RM350k? Does anyone want to buy intermediate unit for the price RM500k in Klang!!! Only idiot will buy it. In 2006, the 20x70 price was RM225k and now just 500m away, same 20x70 is sold for RM350k.

I think(my personal view) the developer put-up high price NOT because the are will become BOOM but because
a) they have included the cost for piling, - just drive around the place and see for yourself type of piling machine used. WCT developer that building houses in Bandar Parklands only use A-shape hammer for piling and their houses 20x70 is only RM240k with 5mins drive to Bkt Tinggi Jusco and 10mins to Hospital.

b) cost to make maximum built-up because don't want buyer to complain soil settlement during renovation (This mean they have no confidence on their soil). Their new 20x70 already has built-up to 1700sqft. Their old 20x70 normally have 1380sqft.

c) My personal opinion saying that maybe they have included the cost for risk-factor for each unit just incase some soil settlement happen in new areas.

This post has been edited by manjitsingh: Aug 20 2009, 01:34 PM

I believe there's quite some misrepresentation in your post.
To cut this short, I'm afraid those who are really interested will have to find out the facts elsewhere, or visit the location and make their own judgement.

SA's prices are cheap in comparison at $$/sqf. The pricing bubble is all over in Klang Valley, not limited to SA.
Some suspect a property bubble happening in Malaysia soon, while some say it's normal appreciation of property.
For me, do your own homework, buy what you like and don't regret.
Read more here. Hope this helps put things into perspective.
http://www.myrealestate.com.my/viewtopic.php?t=9248

Lastly, would appreciate if more compassionate choice of words were used.
SA has about 20,000 residents by now, whom you've addressed as idiots, and number will be up to 50,000 idiots by early 2012.

This post has been edited by KeNNy: Aug 22 2009, 02:26 AM

bought a house there 3 yrs ago and now sold with decent price..at serangon2