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TSlyt25_1234
post Feb 28 2018, 02:34 PM, updated 8y ago

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Hi all,

Can I get opinion or experience from you guys who have autogate installed at home, how long does your battery last?
4years? 5years? 7years?


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post Feb 28 2018, 02:40 PM

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mine lasted 4 years.
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post Feb 28 2018, 02:44 PM

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Just give it a test bro, off your main switch, if selow, time to change. Mine, I'm lazy to change, doesn't even know where to get it. Is it the same battery like motorcycle?
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post Feb 28 2018, 02:47 PM

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It is lead acid battery just like your car. If you use known brand, I think 4 years is normal.

Lead acid battery last longer when it is kept fully charged all the time. Well, the auto-gate, it is constantly charge biggrin.gif

The optimum operating temperature for the lead-acid battery is 25*C. Elevated temperature reduces longevity. As a guideline, every 8°C rise in temperature cuts the battery life in half. A VRLA (Valve-Regulated-Lead-Acid), which would last for 10 years at 25°C, would only be good for 5 years if operated at 33°C. The same battery would desist after 2½ years if kept at a constant desert temperature of 41°C (106°F).

The sealed lead-acid battery is rated at a 5-hour (0.2) and 20-hour (0.05C) discharge. Longer discharge times produce higher capacity readings because of lower losses. The lead-acid performs well on high load currents.
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post Feb 28 2018, 07:42 PM

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After 2 years the battery usually start to pregnant, is better change if already pregnant, it won't hold charged for long after pregnant.

I change mine 2+ year once. Alarm will be longer because is not under hot sun.
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post Mar 1 2018, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Feb 28 2018, 02:47 PM)
It is lead acid battery just like your car. If you use known brand, I think 4 years is normal.

Lead acid battery last longer when it is kept fully charged all the time. Well, the auto-gate, it is constantly charge  biggrin.gif

The optimum operating temperature for the lead-acid battery is 25*C. Elevated temperature reduces longevity. As a guideline, every 8°C rise in temperature cuts the battery life in half. A VRLA (Valve-Regulated-Lead-Acid), which would last for 10 years at 25°C, would only be good for 5 years if operated at 33°C. The same battery would desist after 2½ years if kept at a constant desert temperature of 41°C (106°F). 

The sealed lead-acid battery is rated at a 5-hour (0.2) and 20-hour (0.05C) discharge. Longer discharge times produce higher capacity readings because of lower losses. The lead-acid performs well on high load currents.
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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 28 2018, 07:42 PM)
After 2 years the battery usually start to pregnant, is better change if already pregnant, it won't hold charged for long after pregnant.

I change mine 2+ year once. Alarm will be longer because is not under hot sun.
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I feel the battery is like a waste of money just sitting duck in the box hardly use. Than 2-3 yrs got to replace it.

The battery can run 500-600cycle before need to replace. But as a backup, you probably use it once or twice a yrs. Some not even use it at all.

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 1 2018, 09:25 AM)
I feel the battery is like a waste of money just sitting duck in the box hardly use. Than 2-3 yrs got to replace it.

The battery can run 500-600cycle before need to replace. But as a backup, you probably use it once or twice a yrs. Some not even use it at all.
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Yes. Though it is not that expensive like RM60 for Hitachi if not mistaken, but even if you don't have battery you can always manually open the gate. Have to manually lock it with paddle lock then laugh.gif
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post Mar 1 2018, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Mar 1 2018, 09:29 AM)
Yes. Though it is not that expensive like RM60 for Hitachi if not mistaken, but even if you don't have battery you can always manually open the gate. Have to manually lock it with paddle lock then  laugh.gif
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If it for me, I will make use that battery. Since sitting there or not, I still have to replace that battery.
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post Mar 1 2018, 09:34 AM

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Convenient always have its price.

I also seen some uses old car battery as a replacement, but it sit outside. Old Car battery may not be good for car but still hold enough juice for autogate.
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post Mar 1 2018, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 1 2018, 09:34 AM)
If it for me, I will make use that battery. Since sitting there or not, I still have to replace that battery.
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You mean like put the battery in the box only when needed (like no electricity) smile.gif . Not all people can do that. Even replacing battery need to call auto-gate service guy wink.gif
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QUOTE(Zot @ Mar 1 2018, 09:36 AM)
You mean like put the battery in the box only when needed (like no electricity)  smile.gif  . Not all people can do that. Even replacing battery need to call auto-gate service guy  wink.gif
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Think out of the box lar.

Like use the battery to power your 2 pillar light. Instead running the cable from the house. Morning can charge the battery. Repeat the cycle.

Or run the gate without using main supply at all.

Usage of the gate is low. You probably open/close the gate like 2-4x a day. That doesn't use much power.

Modify it, get a 30watt solar panel charge the battery. Than the gate run on battery. And put the main supply as backup.

That save some bill and no worry of power down gate not open.
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post Mar 1 2018, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 1 2018, 09:47 AM)
Think out of the box lar.

Like use the battery to power your 2 pillar light. Instead running the cable from the house. Morning can charge the battery. Repeat the cycle.

Or run the gate without using main supply at all.

Usage of the gate is low. You probably open/close the gate like 2-4x a day. That doesn't use much power.

Modify it, get a 30watt solar panel charge the battery. Than the gate run on battery. And put the main supply as backup.

That save some bill and no worry of power down gate not open.
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You can do that but need to rewire and add very little investment. For me, most house in taman the gate in just a car length afar from the house. Why bother with pillar light? However, it seems like the gate pillar need to have light laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Zot @ Mar 1 2018, 09:54 AM)
You can do that but need to rewire and add very little investment. For me, most house in taman the gate in just a car length afar from the house. Why bother with pillar light? However, it seems like the gate pillar need to have light  laugh.gif
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The cost is low now for such add in device. Compare few yrs ago. And a pretty simple modify.

I don't have the gate pillar light. Beside as a deco, I don't no what use.

But I seen alot of house have it. 70% of my taman house have it. Some so big the globe light with a small gate. biggrin.gif

And they ON the light like 7pm-minight. Some even whole night.


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post Mar 1 2018, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Feb 28 2018, 02:47 PM)
It is lead acid battery just like your car. If you use known brand, I think 4 years is normal.

Lead acid battery last longer when it is kept fully charged all the time. Well, the auto-gate, it is constantly charge  biggrin.gif

The optimum operating temperature for the lead-acid battery is 25*C. Elevated temperature reduces longevity. As a guideline, every 8°C rise in temperature cuts the battery life in half. A VRLA (Valve-Regulated-Lead-Acid), which would last for 10 years at 25°C, would only be good for 5 years if operated at 33°C. The same battery would desist after 2½ years if kept at a constant desert temperature of 41°C (106°F). 

The sealed lead-acid battery is rated at a 5-hour (0.2) and 20-hour (0.05C) discharge. Longer discharge times produce higher capacity readings because of lower losses. The lead-acid performs well on high load currents.
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do most autogate charging system has smart charge meaning it only charges when battery drops til maybe 80% instead of always charge that may damage the battery?

also do they use maintenance battery coz they are less reliable.
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post Mar 1 2018, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Mar 1 2018, 09:29 AM)
Yes. Though it is not that expensive like RM60 for Hitachi if not mistaken, but even if you don't have battery you can always manually open the gate. Have to manually lock it with paddle lock then  laugh.gif
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manually open the autogate is it possible? it's not light like normal gates unless you talking about the personal entrance. with all the gearing & motor won't it damage them when you manually open?
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post Mar 1 2018, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 1 2018, 11:11 AM)
do most autogate charging system has smart charge meaning it only charges when battery drops til maybe 80% instead of always charge that may damage the battery?

also do they use maintenance battery coz they are less reliable.
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For lead acid battery, the charger does not work like that. No need to drop to 80%. Once the battery reached full charge, the charger will switch to trickle charge mode and maintain this mode. Normally the lead acid battery will have long life when stored in full charge condition, unlike other battery.
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post Mar 1 2018, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 1 2018, 11:20 AM)
manually open the autogate is it possible? it's not light like normal gates unless you talking about the personal entrance. with all the gearing & motor won't it damage them when you manually open?
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Usually, there is a handle that you can use to disengage the motor gear so that you can swing the door open. Personal entrance door cannot fit the car laugh.gif
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QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 1 2018, 11:20 AM)
manually open the autogate is it possible? it's not light like normal gates unless you talking about the personal entrance. with all the gearing & motor won't it damage them when you manually open?
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yes you can manually open an autogate.
when you unlock the auto gate it disengage the brake/lock and you and open it safely.
it like putting car in neutral before you push it.
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QUOTE(Zot @ Mar 1 2018, 11:23 AM)
Usually, there is a handle that you can use to disengage the motor gear so that you can swing the door open. Personal entrance door cannot fit the car  laugh.gif
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not heavy?
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QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 1 2018, 11:29 AM)
not heavy?
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not heavy if your autogate use good quality bearings.
if your bearing low quality or rusty parts then heavy,
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QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 1 2018, 11:29 AM)
not heavy?
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I can open mine with my left pinky finger. Even my cat (not mine really, stray cat) can push fold it wink.gif
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QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 1 2018, 11:29 AM)
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Sliding auto gate will be heavy, mostly because the gate itself is already heavy..
But for swing or folded gate, it just like opening a normal gate without the autogate (when autogate is disengaged)..
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post Mar 1 2018, 07:39 PM

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I removed my battery long ago,,,,,so far luckily no power failure.
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Need to change within 2 years or remove the battery if dont want to use it. The battery is arround RM50-60. Can plug n play.
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QUOTE(cop23 @ Mar 1 2018, 07:39 PM)
I removed my battery long ago,,,,,so far luckily no power failure.
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If you can open the gate by hand during power fail, I guess can save the battery cost.
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post Mar 2 2018, 10:27 AM

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Arm type autogate cannot be push because it use something like worm gear, it basically will lock the entire arm if no movement on motor, hence for these type of autogate have to remove the lock on the edge to remove the entire arm and push the gate.

You will notice arm have no locking solenoid like the old type (underneath) or DC motor, this because worm gear basically are very strong.
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post Mar 2 2018, 02:11 PM

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Bought the new battery for RM40, dunno what brand...ciplak one.
But at least can replace my 4 years old battery which the terminals all corroded with sulfur already.
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post Mar 2 2018, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Mar 2 2018, 02:11 PM)
Bought the new battery for RM40, dunno what brand...ciplak one.
But at least can replace my 4 years old battery which the terminals all corroded with sulfur already.
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40, that more like China brand.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 2 2018, 09:45 AM)
If you can open the gate by hand during power fail, I guess can save the battery cost.
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Auto gate ,if power fails cannot use force to open the gate.Only way is remove the lock screw and open the gate or use battery power.

 

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