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post Feb 24 2018, 04:50 PM, updated 7y ago

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I would like to change my jazz E rims to something sportier, like a dual tone rim. What do i need to know?
And any good shops to recommend in Penang?
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post Feb 24 2018, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(khsj @ Feb 24 2018, 04:50 PM)
I would like to change my jazz E rims to something sportier, like a dual tone rim. What do i need to know?
And any good shops to recommend in Penang?
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1. Recommended rim size (width) - so that you fit tyres with a suitable width (not too small or too big for the width).
2. Wheel diameter - even if you up size your rim. Don't choose tyre that will make the wheel bigger than the recommended diameter. Your wheel will hit the fender everytime you run over a bump or pothole.
3. Weight - if you are FC conscious, don't get rims that are heavier than your current ones.
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post Feb 24 2018, 08:24 PM

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4. Avoid counterfeit wheels.
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post Feb 24 2018, 11:12 PM

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5. don't upgrade diameter too much until you need to use too thin profile tires coz it will be uncomfortable. Generally I usually recommend to stay above 10cm tire sidewall height to retain reasonable comfort.
6. Bring a weighing scale and buy the lightest rim you can afford coz the lighter the rims, the better the performance, handling, braking, and FC.
7. Test fitment including the proper tire size first before really deciding to buy/pay. Make sure the tires wont rub anywhere, both front and rear tires.
8. Do not do tire stretching/under sizing the tire to force fit into the rim, that is totally dumb! Make sure your tire width is at least 1-2cm wider than the rim width.
9. Do not sacrifice your budget for tires in favor of rims! Tires is more important than rims so make sure if you buy certain rim size, you can also buy a properly sized and good tire to match and not settle for shitty cheapo China or whatever tires!

This post has been edited by 6UE5T: Feb 24 2018, 11:14 PM
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post Feb 25 2018, 12:57 AM

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Many of Malaysian and other countries drivers like to upgrade their car’s OEM wheels to replica wheels to enhance their car’s outlook.

We may have seen a lot sellers selling low prices on replica wheels or replica rims everywhere. Most of replica wheels come from China, Taiwan, Thailand as well as our own local product, Malaysia. One may wonder what the different between these replica wheels and OEM wheels.

For those who not sure what is OEM, it’s mean Original Equipment Manufacturer, authorized companies that makes parts for the car manufacturer.

Often OEM wheels are much more expensive than replica wheels even though some replica wheels are much more stylish than OEM wheels.

Let see primary goals of OEM wheels:

Ability to properly support the weight of the vehicle and it’s passengers.
Durability from road salts, car wash acids, chemical and etc.
Durability in order to minimize warranty claims or recalls.
Proper fitments to ensure vehicles brake system as well as suspension operate as designed and without vibration.
Durability from road hazards such as potholes.
OEM wheels go through millions of kilometers of testing and millions dollars in research and development in order to ensure the wheels withstand the rigors of everyday driving.

Let see primary goals of replica wheels:

Ensure lowest manufacturing cost possible; which they will be using cheapest materials to forge the wheels)
Fit a wide variety of model vehicles (changing wheel widths and offsets)
They don’t go through proper research and development (R&D), simply to minimize the manufacturing cost from their side.

Myth #1: Replica wheels as strong as OEM wheels.
Fact #1: Replica wheels are weaker and more likely to get bend and cracked compared to OEM wheels. Replica wheels using cheap, more porous materials and cheaper manufacturing method called as graitiy casting. The molten aluminium is simply poured into a mold and allowed it to cool off. OEM wheels using different methods of manufacturing where after the molten aluminium is poured, there will be a pressure apply on the aluminium.

Result, OEM wheels have higher density of the materials base compared to the replica wheels.

Myth #2: Replica wheels will fit your car just as well as a factory wheels.
Fact #2: Replica wheels will cause a major vibration to the vehicle and also rub on the suspension or brake parts since no fitment testing was done on the particular vehicles.

Myth #3: Replica wheels have the same durable finish as a OEM wheels.
Fact #3: Replica wheels did not go through any test to withstand the road salts, chemicals and other element as OEM wheels do. Thus replica wheels’ finish wont last as OEM wheels do.

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post Feb 25 2018, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(kelvin_87 @ Feb 25 2018, 12:57 AM)
Many of Malaysian and other countries drivers like to upgrade their car’s OEM wheels to replica wheels to enhance their car’s outlook.

We may have seen a lot sellers selling low prices on replica wheels or replica rims everywhere. Most of replica wheels come from China, Taiwan, Thailand as well as our own local product, Malaysia. One may wonder what the different between these replica wheels and OEM wheels.

For those who not sure what is OEM, it’s mean Original Equipment Manufacturer, authorized companies that makes parts for the car manufacturer.

Often OEM wheels are much more expensive than replica wheels even though some replica wheels are much more stylish than OEM wheels.

Let see primary goals of OEM wheels:

Ability to properly support the weight of the vehicle and it’s passengers.
Durability from road salts, car wash acids, chemical and etc.
Durability in order to minimize warranty claims or recalls.
Proper fitments to ensure vehicles brake system as well as suspension operate as designed and without vibration.
Durability from road hazards such as potholes.
OEM wheels go through millions of kilometers of testing and millions dollars in research and development in order to ensure the wheels withstand the rigors of everyday driving.

Let see primary goals of replica wheels:

Ensure lowest manufacturing  cost possible; which they will be using cheapest materials to forge the wheels)
Fit a wide variety of model vehicles (changing wheel widths and offsets)
They don’t go through proper research and development (R&D), simply to minimize the manufacturing cost from their side.

Myth #1: Replica wheels as strong as OEM wheels.
Fact #1: Replica wheels are weaker and more likely to get bend and cracked compared to OEM wheels. Replica wheels using cheap, more porous materials and cheaper manufacturing method called as graitiy casting. The molten aluminium is simply poured into a mold and allowed it to cool off. OEM wheels using different methods of manufacturing where after the molten aluminium is poured, there will be a pressure apply on the aluminium.

Result, OEM wheels have higher density of the materials base compared to the replica wheels.

Myth #2: Replica wheels will fit your car just as well as a factory wheels.
Fact #2: Replica wheels will cause a major vibration to the vehicle and also rub on the suspension or brake parts since no fitment testing was done on the particular vehicles.

Myth #3: Replica wheels have the same durable finish as a OEM wheels.
Fact #3: Replica wheels did not go through any test to withstand the road salts, chemicals and other element as OEM wheels do. Thus replica wheels’ finish wont last as OEM wheels do.
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good advice bro.. thumbup.gif

I agree much on your points..

however let's say if we really wanted to change rims, would those Japanese Ori rims suffice in terms of quality? hmm.gif
Around the price of more than 3K..

hope to hear your 2 cents
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post Feb 25 2018, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(kelvin_87 @ Feb 25 2018, 12:57 AM)
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Let see primary goals of replica wheels:

Ensure lowest manufacturing  cost possible; which they will be using cheapest materials to forge the wheels)
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Just a slight correction, that in bold is NOT correct. Replica/fake rims do not even use forge processing, they just use normal casting method, that's why they are cheap. Only a handful of rims manufacturer in the world can really do forge rim, Rays is the most notable and arguably the most advanced, hence their rims are also very expensive.

Everything else that you mentioned are already correct though. However it doesn't mean OEM rims is the best coz OEM rims also has cost as a major factor in production hence they are still usually also normal casting technology to make it relatively cost efficient yet durable as you have mentioned. The downside is OEM rims are usually still very heavy.

QUOTE(Death Wings @ Feb 25 2018, 05:54 PM)
good advice bro.. thumbup.gif

I agree much on your points..

however let's say if we really wanted to change rims, would those Japanese Ori rims suffice in terms of quality?  hmm.gif
Around the price of more than 3K..

hope to hear your 2 cents
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Yes those well known Japanese brands like Enkei, Rays/Volk Racing, SSR//Work, Advan, Racing Hart, Prodrive etc2 are excellent quality rims, often much better than OEM. If the rims are made by forging technology like Rays then they are much more lightweight yet stronger too (or at least the same strength) than OEM, that's why very expensive. There are other cheaper technology than forge processing, such as M.A.T from Enkei and Semi Solid Forging from SSR, but they are also almost as good, producing almost similar lightweight and strength as forging method from Rays.

For your illustration, the OEM rims of my car is 16x7 made by Enkei Japan but as I said above, it's just normal cast rims, hence even though very durable but pretty heavy too, weighing at around 9+kg/pc. Now compare that with my current rims, a forged Volk Racing size 18x9, much bigger yet the weight is only at 8+kg! So even after going much bigger size to enable me to use bigger and better tires for much better traction, I still save about 1kg/pc.
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post Feb 25 2018, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(kelvin_87 @ Feb 25 2018, 12:57 AM)
Many of Malaysian and other countries drivers like to upgrade their car’s OEM wheels to replica wheels to enhance their car’s outlook.

We may have seen a lot sellers selling low prices on replica wheels or replica rims everywhere. Most of replica wheels come from China, Taiwan, Thailand as well as our own local product, Malaysia. One may wonder what the different between these replica wheels and OEM wheels.

For those who not sure what is OEM, it’s mean Original Equipment Manufacturer, authorized companies that makes parts for the car manufacturer.

Often OEM wheels are much more expensive than replica wheels even though some replica wheels are much more stylish than OEM wheels.

Let see primary goals of OEM wheels:

Ability to properly support the weight of the vehicle and it’s passengers.
Durability from road salts, car wash acids, chemical and etc.
Durability in order to minimize warranty claims or recalls.
Proper fitments to ensure vehicles brake system as well as suspension operate as designed and without vibration.
Durability from road hazards such as potholes.
OEM wheels go through millions of kilometers of testing and millions dollars in research and development in order to ensure the wheels withstand the rigors of everyday driving.

Let see primary goals of replica wheels:

Ensure lowest manufacturing  cost possible; which they will be using cheapest materials to forge the wheels)
Fit a wide variety of model vehicles (changing wheel widths and offsets)
They don’t go through proper research and development (R&D), simply to minimize the manufacturing cost from their side.

Myth #1: Replica wheels as strong as OEM wheels.
Fact #1: Replica wheels are weaker and more likely to get bend and cracked compared to OEM wheels. Replica wheels using cheap, more porous materials and cheaper manufacturing method called as graitiy casting. The molten aluminium is simply poured into a mold and allowed it to cool off. OEM wheels using different methods of manufacturing where after the molten aluminium is poured, there will be a pressure apply on the aluminium.

Result, OEM wheels have higher density of the materials base compared to the replica wheels.

Myth #2: Replica wheels will fit your car just as well as a factory wheels.
Fact #2: Replica wheels will cause a major vibration to the vehicle and also rub on the suspension or brake parts since no fitment testing was done on the particular vehicles.

Myth #3: Replica wheels have the same durable finish as a OEM wheels.
Fact #3: Replica wheels did not go through any test to withstand the road salts, chemicals and other element as OEM wheels do. Thus replica wheels’ finish wont last as OEM wheels do.
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yeah....if you bought those replica.

It isn't the same if bought those well known brand genuine product
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post Feb 26 2018, 08:34 AM

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use both before,
replica heavy, impact will break not stable high speed
ori aftermarket rim, light, impact will bend, can do high speed easily
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i'm not sure how big or small the impact for the replica to break. Heavy, yes (compared to ori one). but reliability wise..not that fragile til some people really avoid them. i use 15" replica with 195/50..the rim still ok after 7 years. no bend whatsoever. considering lives in kajang area the road not so smooth.
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In Malaysia road, getting 14" will make your ride more pleasant.
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post Feb 28 2018, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(Death Wings @ Feb 25 2018, 05:54 PM)
good advice bro.. thumbup.gif

I agree much on your points..

however let's say if we really wanted to change rims, would those Japanese Ori rims suffice in terms of quality?  hmm.gif
Around the price of more than 3K..

hope to hear your 2 cents
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hey bro, thanks for support the points.
Japanese are very emphasise on quality, and their QA inspection are way more than stringent then the rest of the world.

As a result, the price is so much expensive too.

Go for the Japan original rims, and you are worry free for the rest of life!

Anyhow, what car you are driving bro?
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post Mar 1 2018, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(kelvin_87 @ Feb 25 2018, 12:57 AM)
Many of Malaysian and other countries drivers like to upgrade their car’s OEM wheels to replica wheels to enhance their car’s outlook.

We may have seen a lot sellers selling low prices on replica wheels or replica rims everywhere. Most of replica wheels come from China, Taiwan, Thailand as well as our own local product, Malaysia. One may wonder what the different between these replica wheels and OEM wheels.

For those who not sure what is OEM, it’s mean Original Equipment Manufacturer, authorized companies that makes parts for the car manufacturer.

Often OEM wheels are much more expensive than replica wheels even though some replica wheels are much more stylish than OEM wheels.

Let see primary goals of OEM wheels:

Ability to properly support the weight of the vehicle and it’s passengers.
Durability from road salts, car wash acids, chemical and etc.
Durability in order to minimize warranty claims or recalls.
Proper fitments to ensure vehicles brake system as well as suspension operate as designed and without vibration.
Durability from road hazards such as potholes.
OEM wheels go through millions of kilometers of testing and millions dollars in research and development in order to ensure the wheels withstand the rigors of everyday driving.

Let see primary goals of replica wheels:

Ensure lowest manufacturing  cost possible; which they will be using cheapest materials to forge the wheels)
Fit a wide variety of model vehicles (changing wheel widths and offsets)
They don’t go through proper research and development (R&D), simply to minimize the manufacturing cost from their side.

Myth #1: Replica wheels as strong as OEM wheels.
Fact #1: Replica wheels are weaker and more likely to get bend and cracked compared to OEM wheels. Replica wheels using cheap, more porous materials and cheaper manufacturing method called as graitiy casting. The molten aluminium is simply poured into a mold and allowed it to cool off. OEM wheels using different methods of manufacturing where after the molten aluminium is poured, there will be a pressure apply on the aluminium.

Result, OEM wheels have higher density of the materials base compared to the replica wheels.

Myth #2: Replica wheels will fit your car just as well as a factory wheels.
Fact #2: Replica wheels will cause a major vibration to the vehicle and also rub on the suspension or brake parts since no fitment testing was done on the particular vehicles.

Myth #3: Replica wheels have the same durable finish as a OEM wheels.
Fact #3: Replica wheels did not go through any test to withstand the road salts, chemicals and other element as OEM wheels do. Thus replica wheels’ finish wont last as OEM wheels do.
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well said bro, totally agree with you. i can see many ppl using replica rims, large rims with thin tyres somemore.

however they r some good rims made from taiwan and thailand like enkei tuning, advanti and lenso. They r good. been using advanti for my 2nd car already
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using taiwan replica SSR.. from 2005 last until now.. 16 inch size with tyre size 205/45/16, before this using at wira, now at my cousin myvi.. still no problem

buy original at rm3k rims only for 16 inch size and rm1k for tyres.. total rm4k
buy replica at rm2k with tyre or maybe less..

so ask yourself, which do you want?
safety reliability durability or cheaper price?
still original sport rims do have bend case..
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QUOTE(gacktleong @ Mar 1 2018, 10:51 AM)
well said bro, totally agree with you. i can see many ppl using replica rims, large rims with thin tyres somemore.

however they r some good rims made from taiwan and thailand like enkei tuning, advanti and lenso. They r good. been using advanti for my 2nd car already
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man, you are using my fav rims like adventi and lenso!!
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Rather than buy new fake rims, better buy used original rims. If you're resourceful & patient enough you should be able to find good & very affordable deals.

 

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