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hyperzz
post Mar 7 2018, 03:57 AM

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If you receive money through SWIFT transfer into a foreign currency account in the same currency, it's likely that you still won't get the exact same amount sent to you.
This is due to the involvement of the middleman bank in SWIFT transfer. In the worst case, there can be more than one middleman bank. Each middleman bank will take a cut of the amount transferred. This process is not transparent and you will not be informed of it unless you ask the bank for a breakdown of fees after getting your payment.

If your purpose is to convert the foreign currencies into RM when the exchange rate is favorable to you, you might want to consider Borderless Account offered by Transferwise(TW).

Transferwise Borderless Account


With the Borderless account, it is as if you have a local bank account in the US, UK, EU and Australia, in your own name, to receive local payment. The payment received will be kept in the original currencies, i.e. USD, GBP, EUR and AUD. You can convert them into RM anytime you want and initialize the transfer into your RM account. TW will send RM to you through their company bank account with CIMB. The amount received is exactly as expected.

However, I would not advise you to keep your foreign currencies with TW for too long. TW is after all not a bank.

This post has been edited by hyperzz: Mar 7 2018, 04:15 AM
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post Jun 27 2018, 03:48 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jun 27 2018, 12:27 AM)
But transfer via transferwise to anyone will not be under your name right
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From my experience:

For GBP:
The sender's name will appear as "your name TW". For example, your name is John Doe, the sender's name will appear as "John Doe TW". Brokerage account might not accept this transfer.

For EUR:
The sender's name will appear exactly as your own name in the SEPA transfer. This method is acceptable for transfer to brokerage account in your own name.

For USD:
It seems that the sender's name appears as your own name. I noticed this from a TW transfer into my US bank account.
However, when I tried to send a TW transfer to top up my Interactive Broker (IB) account, the transfer was rejected. Possibly the ACH transfer was sent in a different bank account number but still in my own name, just my guess.

In addition, for GBP/EUR/USD/SGD, you can add a short message/text which will be sent along with the money transfer. However, no short message/text cannot be added for HKD/CNY transfer. For currencies where no message/text can be added, they offer to send the message via email to the recipient.

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post Jun 27 2018, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jun 27 2018, 04:43 AM)
Thanks for your useful inputs. Appreciated.  notworthy.gif

But still some brokerages require to match with account number and it will be used for withdrawal purpose.
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For all outgoing transfers from TW, the sending account number is most likely different from your Borderless account number but your name will appear as the sender.

In case of withdrawal from IB, the EUR IBAN works fine. The GBP account number won't work as IB requires an IBAN.
The USD account number might work for ACH withdrawal but I never tried it as I already have an US bank account linked to IB.

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post Jun 30 2018, 03:47 AM

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It's reasonable to doubt TW as this is a relatively new company. You can always consult Mr Google to find out more about the background of TW and who are the big names or venture capital that back TW.

I think TW won't go burst anytime soon. In fact, the high street banks are feeling the heat from fintech, especially in Europe and the US.

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post Jun 30 2018, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jun 30 2018, 01:36 PM)
How about TW to TW?
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ACH transfer is either free or low cost but it takes longer time, usually 1 to 2 days.
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post Jul 5 2018, 04:27 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 4 2018, 06:58 PM)
Have you ever tried to remit to Indonesia?

This TW took 4 days and hasn't released the fund sent from my client. Claimed need check... Just AUD 45 and they took 4 days ..
Another is USD 10.

Even if I remit use banks, I have got the clearance. I will never use them regardlesd of cheaper than DBS.

Useless service with slow response.
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TW could be a bit cautious when you receive your first few payments. Malaysia's reputation does not help, no thanks to the 1MDB scandals. But as you use TW regularly without any high-risk transactions (i.e. incoming transfer from crypto exchange), things should go smoothly for your account. It takes time to build trust.

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post Jul 6 2018, 04:06 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 5 2018, 03:59 PM)
Good. Told ya. If you want to give DBS free money and have less money for yourself,  go ahead and use DBS. If you want to have more money for yourself then bear with it and use TW. You can't win everything.

For me very simple. I vote with my wallet. Whoever can give me cheaper rates will get my money. No brand or bank loyalty. If DBS can give me better rate,  I will use them. If TW can give better rate will use TW.
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Agreed. I am certain that 90% of the time TW's exchange rate is better than any banks in the world, for transfer in small amount (< $10K). Only some competing fintech startups would offer slightly better exchange rate. But they can't go too much lower. The bottom line is the interbank exchange as seen in Google.

Watch out for Revolut which is currently not available to Malaysia yet but they are expanding and competing head-to-head with TW.

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post Jul 8 2018, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Jul 7 2018, 07:56 PM)
Currently TransferWise cannot send money from Malaysia.
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That is true, due to restrictions by Bank Negara, TW only allows incoming transfer converted into RM. But TW when paired with an oversea bank account where there's freedom of fund movement, is a very useful remittance tool.

Still, TW is good for those who has oversea income.
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post Jul 8 2018, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 8 2018, 03:27 PM)
Besides TW, any alternative?

It seems that after I gave negative comments to them, they barred me for receiving incoming funds from TW user to user.

And without giving me reason by saying they can't disclose the reason.
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I don't want to make any judgement as I don't know what happened between you and TW. So far I haven't experienced any major issues with them. Their response could be a bit slow as they are expanding rapidly into many countries but they are understaffed to handle customer inquiry from different time zones.

At the moment, only Revolut can compete with TW on the same service level but unfortunately Revolut is not available to Malaysia yet. Other companies like Skrill and Neteller which are popular with FX trader might work if your customers would use them. If you search through Google, you can find even more options but these are usually not as reputable as TW. You can use Trustpilot to read customer reviews about a website.
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post Jul 9 2018, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(nyunyu @ Jul 9 2018, 03:47 PM)
Wait, all these talk about DBS and TW is based on a situation where you send the money yourself? Can't think of any professional company using them to pay salary though.
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For TW, you can provide your GBP/EUR/USD/AUD Borderless account number to your oversea employer and ask them to pay your salary by the way of local bank transfer in the UK/EU/US/AUS. Not a cent will be lost in the transfer.
The fund received will be kept in GBP/EUR/USD/AUD and you can convert them into MYR for transferring into your Malaysian bank account anytime.
In this way, you can do the conversion when the rate is favorable to you.

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post Jul 10 2018, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 10 2018, 02:58 PM)
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@jack2, you can post your case at Trustpilot with your real name and case details if you want to force TW to respond.
As you scroll through the reviews, you can see that TW actually responds to negative reviews.

To be fair to TW, the email that was sent is apparently impolite, no offence intended.

For your deactivated account, can you still withdraw your fund?

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post Jul 10 2018, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 10 2018, 09:59 PM)
Same as someone who posted there
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I believe this is true. This seems to happen sometimes. I'm not defending TW for this one.


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post Jul 10 2018, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 10 2018, 09:50 PM)
Of course cant withdraw as not able to login. I have zero balance after transferring all Balance to Indo.
That is OK who supports who and I don't care. They restricted my USD account to receive funds without informing and what about if I transferred my own USD balance from DBS to there? The fund get returned?

I prefer to spend more to DBS or other fintech provided I do not need to wait for clearance and hassles free.
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This one is very serious.
I would encourage you to post your full account at Trustpilot with at least a bit of information for them to identify your case. Trustpilot has worldwide readership and TW will be forced to respond. Very interested to see TW's response myself.
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post Jul 10 2018, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(jimmyng @ Jul 10 2018, 10:25 PM)
Is it very frequent??
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I did not experienced this myself but apparently some users do.
There was a time with SGD transfer, TW warned me beforehand that the transfer will take longer than usual, due to a glitch in their system.

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post Jul 11 2018, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 11 2018, 01:30 PM)
Like a true sifu  thumbup.gif

A miser might save dimes & quarters, but loses opportunities.

By opportunities I mean technical KnowWho, human relationship, reputation, track records....

I think it is safe to say nobody likes to be a close friend with a miser. A person who is not cincai. A person who reminds you 1 week later you still owe him RM2.65 from the last dinner.

Career wise, colleagues and bosses will not think of him if there is an opportunity.

In business, build up relationship and track records with the customer, suppliers and banks. Share profits with them. So next time you expand business they will also look at you positively.

These are things not quantifiable in numbers.
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While what you said is generally accepted true, no challenge to that, I would like to share the story of the founder of Ikea:

Ingvar Kamprad

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Kamprad was known for driving an old Volvo, recycling tea bags and taking home little packets of salt and pepper from restaurant visits. He was known as “Uncle Scrooge” and “The Miser” in the Swiss village of Epalinges, near Lausanne, where he moved in the 1970s before returning to Sweden a few years ago. He also avoided wearing suits and ties and traveled coach when flying.

Ikea’s corporate culture mirrors Kamprad’s celebration of frugality. Executives of the company travel on low-cost airlines and lodge in budget hotels. Its employees follow a basic pamphlet written by Kamprad in 1976, “The Testament of a Furniture Dealer,” which states that “wasting resources is a mortal sin,” and stipulates Ikea’s “duty to expand.”


There is no one-size-fit-all method to find success, everyone has to figure out which way work best for himself/herself.

 

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