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Hansel
post Jun 25 2018, 08:43 AM

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After reading all of the above suggestions, I would like to recommend one more method. Since you have income from overseas and you need to bank-in this income into an account, you can open a DBS multi-currency account in DBS or in POSBANK Singapore.

The foreign currency salary will drop in very nicely into your account every month.

Then you can TT the currency back to your local Maybank Account without any charges. But of course, you would then be subjected to the foreign currency-to-MYR conversion rate at DBS.

The other small snag is you need to have SGD3k as the minimum daily amt, and if it falls below SGD3k,you will be charged a fall-below fee of SGD7.50.

Perhaps you may need to pay this SGD7.50 until you managed to collect SGD3k.
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post Jun 26 2018, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 25 2018, 11:28 PM)
No need so susah. Just open Transferwise borderless account. Much more sophisticated than DBS. So much for being a digital bank. Can't even beat a UK fintech.

Cheaper,  easier to open account,  no fees or minimum amount to maintain biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Banks are things of the past. If banks can't evolve,  they will be obsolete biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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Sure, sure,... but after what I heard happening to many 'accounts' which suddenly got closed or forced to use Bitcoin in the world,... I would prefer to use DBS-lar,..

Secondly, an account in DBS is not solely for the purpose of funds transfer,... you don't need me to tell you all of the other benefits of having an SG DBS Account,...

Funds Transfer is BUT one of the facilities of a DBS Account.

If you don't have a minimum amt to maintain a DBS Account, why don't you close your DBS Account ? Why always talk abt your DBS Account ? NO money, don't do,... why force yourself and then start talking bad abt DBS and saying Transferwise is good ?

DBS let you open an account and you criticize like this,... close it then,... you are a Malaysian, you are not obligated to support Singapore in any way.

People have a good reason now (for now) to open a DBS Account, give people a chance-lar,... you think so easy to open-ah ???

And who said got fees to TT using a DBS Account ? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif....... NO need to say cheaper, say FREE when TT'ing using a DBS Account.

And who said you can't transfer USDs using a DBS Account ?

YOU are under-informed !!!!!!!!!!

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post Jun 26 2018, 11:45 AM

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Maybe DBS should check ALL Malaysians who don't use their account, and advise for those accounts to be closed. People don't use their accounts because they don't like their accounts,... people like Ramjade.

Perhaps it will be more efficient for DBS to open accounts only for Malaysians who really have a need to use their account, rather than doing a total block against all Malaysians without a work permit or study permit.
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post Jun 26 2018, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jun 26 2018, 11:43 AM)
I am very happy to have DBS
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Yes ! This is the spirit !!!!!!!!!!!!

I call upon DBS to close some Malaysians' accounts which are not productive.

Give chances to other Malaysians who don't have work permits to open accounts there.

After Ramjade's posting,... now we know more why there are dormant Malaysians' accounts in DBS,... wasting disk space inside their computer system only, and depriving of other Malaysians who wished to open...
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post Jun 26 2018, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jun 26 2018, 12:16 PM)
Do you own UOB?

Too bad that DBS can't to have IDR currency...
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Err,... no, I don't own UOB. I think it's a family-controlled bank,... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Yes, I have a UOB Account too, but DBS seems to catch my attention always when I need to use banking facilities,...

Yeah,.. I know,.. emerging mkt currencies are not favoured by banks worldwide, that's why there are limited wallets for EM currencies in multi-currency accounts worldwide. DBS MCA does not have a wallet for the Ringgit too.

Hence, I must always use the SGD as a proxy, and I TT SGD back to Msia at zero charges at both ends when I need to use larger amounts in Msia.
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post Jun 26 2018, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jun 26 2018, 12:46 PM)
Never realise TT SGD back to Malaysia is zero fee. I thought to FAST to CIMB and use CIMB SG to TT back to CIMB MYR
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Using DBS Remit is free, SGD is converted into MYR, then transfer back to, say, your Maybank Account in Msia. ALL THE WAY IS FREE. At this end, also no charge,... Transferring by using DBS Remit to any bank is Australia, The USA, Canada also no-charge.

How abt CIMB SG to CIMB MY ? Any charge at either end ?

The interesting part is,... there is also no charge by any intermediary bank,... I noticed this too,... but I'm still studying this. DBS has a lot of facilities if we know how to use it ! To me,... it's a great bank,... lots of facilities that other banks don't have.

Hence, if no charge at all, then the only thing we need to worry abt is the exchange rate.
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post Jun 27 2018, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 26 2018, 11:22 PM)
If you tell me to hold multucurrency, Transferwise can do that for free. So tell me why should I pay or give DBS free money? Multicurrency card? Many card offer better deal than DBS multicurrency card.  Even created by our very own Malaysian company.

I don't like giving banks free money. Hence I will find ways to get things for as cheap as possible from the bank. Transferwise is offering masses a cheap option to hold multicurrency with ease. No need to go begging people.

Read the PDF. Incoming TT is charged. You may not be charged TT fees but you are charged marked up exchange rate.  Don't believe me?  Check out exchange rate offer by fintech vs DBS. I did and noticed the difference. Again why bother giving banks free and good money?  Are they your relatives that you must help them? No. They are just glamorous money lenders.

Try moving USD to other bank in SG. If within DBS bank I am sure no problem. Try moving it to say UOB and OCBC via online. Not by RM or cheque. See if it can be done.
I would use their account more often if they are more generous. Since they are so stingy, I am also stingy with them. If they are generous,  I will be more generous with them.

Good example was Maybank MY.  Back when they have eGIA which give 4.5%p.a with no lock in penalty,  I parked my cash with them.
Agreed free but never let free fool you. Free is good but keep your eyes open on the exchange rate. I have surveyed their rates (other currencies). Definitely better than what Malaysian banks offer but not the best vs fintech. Now free transfer vs cheaper than free transfer,  which would be a better pick?  biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

PS I never laugh at you.  But I am trying to open your eyes that better options exist.
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I appreciated yr comments. I am open to suggestions,...

To simplify things,... I will look at DBS' function on TT'ing money only... I have not used TransferWise,... using TransferWise, pls tell me :-

1) How much cost, overall, to TT, say SGD1000 into a Malaysian Maybank Account ?

2) What would be the Exchange Rate used, for SGD to MYR for today ?

By the way,.. I'm aware of the exchange rate matter,... I have mentioned it in my posts earlier,... still, I have compared the exchange rate used in DBS Remit against other banks' inside SG. I find DBS' exchange rate is still good enough, after taking-in the overall cost of doing the DBS Remit TT.

Incoming TT AT THE RECEIVING BANK is NOT charged when using DBS Remit,....................except for TT's to a Japanese bank, to be more specific...

We can move USDs from one bank to another bank online in SG. USD clearing is done inside SG. I will leave it at that.
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post Jun 28 2018, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 27 2018, 08:57 AM)
I appreciated yr comments. I am open to suggestions,...

To simplify things,... I will look at DBS' function on TT'ing money only... I have not used TransferWise,... using TransferWise, pls tell me :-

1) How much cost, overall, to TT, say SGD1000 into a Malaysian Maybank Account ?

2) What would be the Exchange Rate used, for SGD to MYR for today ?


By the way,.. I'm aware of the exchange rate matter,... I have mentioned it in my posts earlier,... still, I have compared the exchange rate used in DBS Remit against other banks' inside SG. I find DBS' exchange rate is still good enough, after taking-in the overall cost of doing the DBS Remit TT.

Incoming TT AT THE RECEIVING BANK is NOT charged when using DBS Remit,....................except for TT's to a Japanese bank, to be more specific...

We can move USDs from one bank to another bank online in SG. USD clearing is done inside SG. I will leave it at that.
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@Ramjade,... pls reply on the bolded above,... let me compare,...
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post Jun 29 2018, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 28 2018, 07:14 PM)
Sure. No problem. These are rates offered by the bank and Transferwise as of 7.14pm
Cimb SG (Transfer to My CIMB Malaysia Account )
SGD1000 = RM2925.90

DBS Remit
SGD1000 = RM2916.30
- Of course I don't know whether beng priority customer can get you better discount or not.

Transferwise
SGD1000 = RM2936.86

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Many other remittance company from SG can offer cheaper rates than Transferwise. Seen it before. But we cannot apply as  either
1) open to SGrean only
2) must have address and SG phone no.
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OKay, bro,... thank you.

I appreciated your effort here,...

Can you please include the charges for each of the three entities in the above ?

Let's compare in an absolute sense,...
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post Jun 29 2018, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 28 2018, 07:14 PM)
Sure. No problem. These are rates offered by the bank and Transferwise as of 7.14pm
Cimb SG (Transfer to My CIMB Malaysia Account )
SGD1000 = RM2925.90

DBS Remit
SGD1000 = RM2916.30
- Of course I don't know whether beng priority customer can get you better discount or not.

Transferwise
SGD1000 = RM2936.86

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Many other remittance company from SG can offer cheaper rates than Transferwise. Seen it before. But we cannot apply as  either
1) open to SGrean only
2) must have address and SG phone no.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 29 2018, 09:49 AM)
OKay, bro,... thank you.

I appreciated your effort here,...

Can you please include the charges for each of the three entities in the above ?

Let's compare in an absolute sense,...
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 29 2018, 05:50 PM)
I assume it's already nett charges because both Cimb and dbs are not charging fees. Keep in mind that. Transferwise is already nett fees.

Of course I assume that's no charges on our side. That I can't confirm unless I do a real transfer which I am not going to.
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Okay,... in that case, let's assume there are no more charges at our end for the CIMB Transfer and the DBS Remit. But, I am quite sure there will be charges at the receiving end (our end) for TransferWise.

Just by comparing the above three snapshots above, we can derive the following opinions :-

1) The moment there is a charge of RM20 at the receiving end for TransferWise, the amount received will be equal to DBS Remit's. Incoming TT will normally incur this amount, unless it's from the same overseas branch.

If the final amount to be received is the same,... then I will choose to use DBS Remit because DBS Remit is part of DBS, which has many, many more functions than TransferWise.

2) CIMB, fine,... gain of RM10. But CIMB SG is very limited in its functions,... you know that too,... compared to DBS. Sure, as you said in your eg above, CIMB will not incur any charge IF transferring back to CIMB Msia.

But what happens if the sender needs to transfer to ANOTHER Bank inside Msia. There will be charges then !!!!!!!!! And it will be RM20 or more for incoming TT ! The moment there is a charge of RM20, my received amount via DBS Remit would have beaten yours.

Bear in mind that I have not taken into account yet of intermediary bank charges in the above.

DBS Remit - FREE from all charges to any bank in the world except to a Japanese Bank.... Free from Intermediary Bank charges and FREE from Incoming TT charges at the Receiving Bank. I have personally TT'ed to many countries in the world, including Msia using DBS Remit,... it's all free from all banking charges.

NO need to consider abt priority customer or not with DBS Bank,... because to be a priority customer, you need to be a Treasures Customer,... that's SGD350K Assets-Under-Mgmt, which is another cost in our debate here,... hence, just use normal customer only to debate here.

So,... what do you think ?

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post Jun 30 2018, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 29 2018, 09:23 PM)
Actually from my experience of using fintech (moneymatch to send money to SG), what you see is what you get. For eg if you are sending SGD3000 to SG, you will get excatly SGD3k in your bank account. Not a cent less. Keep in mind that Transferwise transfer the money to you from their local malaysian bank. So the SGD you send them never actually leave SG. It will go into their SG bank account while they will pay you from their MY account (kind of like IBG/IBFT you the money)

I have heard of such operations.

You don't sound confident, but if you are right abt their operations, then either BNM has relaxed their rules,... or this TransferWise will not last long. There will come a time when they will suddenly stop operation after you banked-in the money to them. I know of these operations. I used to use them too,... until they were warned by BNM. And they stopped operations. A popular moneychanger (BR) used to do this until they stopped.

But I'm keeping an open mind here. So,... they just do money-matching only and no actual transmittals take place ?


Cimb promises no fees if you transfer to your own Cimb bank account but not sure about fees to other bank in Malaysia.

No need to repeat what I have already said earlier. Like I said earlier : No point if transferring only to own bank is free.
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post Jul 2 2018, 01:05 PM

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Well,... can try with TW,... with all the details seen here, no harm,... however, for big amounts,... just be careful.

I will continue to use my DBS Remit,...

..bro Ramjade,... close your DBS Account-lar,... let others who have more uses open a DBS or POSB account..... why hold-on to an account which is not cheap enough to transfer money, does not give high enough interest rates, and does not give good enough of other rates hold on to your minimum deposit ??? Correct or not ???

Look at me,.... I don't like,... I go somewhere else,... I don't stay,...

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I heard those who wish to deposit foreign-currency salaries may still be able to open account in DBS,... sorry talking abt Malaysians here,... can try for those who still have confidence in DBS.... can try to open,....
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post Jul 2 2018, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 2 2018, 02:57 PM)
Actually I asked them already. As long as can proof source of money,  amount can be unlimited. Unlimited amount is available for AUD , GBP,  EUR. Only USD got limit of USD 10k. If have more than that need proof.

Simple. I need a SG base account for storage purpose in future.
All money put in SG banks are considered free money to the banks. You choose to give more,  I choose less. Both ways banks earning but they earning less from me. tongue.gif

Look at me. I don't like the service, I don't use the service. I find alternatives and support the alternatives. tongue.gif If I like I will continue to use them.  (these applies to non financial stuff as well)
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OKay,... So,.. in spite of whatever bad you see in DBS,.. you still want to stay with them.
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post Jul 2 2018, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 2 2018, 03:16 PM)
Well should a pure SG bank offer zero amount account or say SGD20 and are open to Malaysian,  I will close my DBS account and open that instead. My amount with DBS is already the min at SGD500.

Tell me for what I want to keep so much with them when
1) I can't participate in rights/preference offering via DBS V?
2) their broker is super pricey for international stocks?
3) they don't have good exchange rate?

End of the day they are still a bank bend on sucking/extracting out as much money as possible from you.
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Well,... stay with DBS then since this will NEVER COME : Well should a pure SG bank offer zero amount account or say SGD20 and are open to Malaysian ! biggrin.gif
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post Jul 4 2018, 05:55 PM

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When I process my remittance using DBS Remit, I will get an sms saying my submission has been processed on the next available 3 working hr...

Then I will get the funds in my account on the same day in Australia,... within one hour after I did the remittance in the morning at SG.

For Maybank Msia,... I will receive the funds in my Maybank Msia account by the same evening or the next morning after I did the remittance in the morning at SG.

Higher exchange rate than TransferWise. Free Transfer. Faster remittance process than TransferWise.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 2 2018, 05:48 PM)
Never know bro. Fintech is eating into bank's profit.  Banks have to bring themselves down to fintech standard or else they risk losing customers.  thumbup.gif
Funding societies, Transferwise, you name it.
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I'll continue using available tools to invest till the day it comes (if it comes) so as not to lose on any opportunity cost, and to be able to experience the mkt for exposure.

You can Continue Waiting,.... thumbup.gif
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post Jul 5 2018, 11:42 AM

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Hmm,... so many inconveniences using TW,... so wht if the exchange the is cheaper,...

A forum like this is good,... now, many problems are unravelled to the public.

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post Jul 5 2018, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 4 2018, 07:43 PM)
No one uses TW for transferring money to Indon. doh.gif doh.gif Use TW to send to Western country where you have no access unless you fly there and open account
Reason is TW is based in UK and they see Indon as a dirty country.  So the need to check the money. They already mentioned in their FAQ indons are some country where it will take longer time.

If you want fast send to Indon, use what the illegal/legal indons here are using. Same day will reach and is super cheap. Service is available at most money changers and special shops in KV. Don't waste money on those fintech to send money to send Indon not worth your money.

Reason those remittance service and money changer can offer cheaper rates than what TW or other fintech can provide is because of the bulk of businesses they are getting.
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Why so susah when using TW ??????????


And so susah need to go to those money changers and special shope.

Use DBS REmit-lar,.......... all from the comfort of the home.

OR ARE YOU GOING TO COUNTER-DEBATE THAT INDONS HAVE NO WAY TO OPEN DBS ACCOUNTS ? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif That's argument-based technicality,... but I can also counter this argument if you reply me like this,...
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 5 2018, 12:25 PM)
Bro I am talking about those illegal indons la in Malaysia. Learn a thing or 2 from them. Why do they go those special shops/money changers? Cause the rate is cheaper than banks. They need to get as much Rp as possible per ringgit. By going to banks, the amount of Rp received is significantly a lot vs going to those shops. And being poor, getting as much Rp per ringgit is your their main concern in providing for their family back in Indon. Lots of illegal indons have Maybank and Cimb account. So they can use Malaysian banks to send money back, but why bother with special shops and money changers?  biggrin.gif

If indons want comfort job, they won't want take on jobs like construction worker.

Same concept in SG. Why do you see so many foreigners going to special shop in SG/money changer in SG? Because it's cheaper to send money via those channels than via banks. Again, we must learn a thing or 2 from those people.
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Now I bash back : LEARNING IS OKAY. BUT YOU ARE COMPARING THOSE TECHNIQUES ABOVE TO JUSTIFY FOR THE WEAKNESS OF TRANSFERWISE. AND THIS IS THE WRONG WAY TO DEBATE/ARTICULATE !!!!!!!!

The way you wrote : You are telling Jack that, to TT to a western country, can use TW. But to TT to Indonesia, perhaps must go to those special shops, because TW has a clause in their FAQ saying that TT'ing to Indonesia is not 'encouraged'.

Why like that ?? Then wouldn't better to tell Jack to use DBS Remit instead of using those special shops ???

By using DBS Remit, he will just need to pay a slightly higher exchange rate, then he can TT from a one-stop shop from the comfort of his home to anywhere in the world. NO restrictions,....

So,........ which is better now ??? DBS Remit oo TransferWise ??? Or are you going to say depends on where you TT to ??? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 5 2018, 03:08 PM)
He as a malaysian have access to those special shops which SGreans lack. So you have access why not use it? Only if you don't have access, you need to think up of ways to gain access.

Er actually I will go with depends on where he want to TT. Every tool have it's own pros and cons. Just the right tool for the right job!
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So, in the above, you said exactly what I said you would,... smile.gif

I'm sticking with DBS Remit, though the exchange rate is higher than TW's,... for reasons of convenience and certainty of transmittal,... and not opening any fintech account.

For you, close your DBS Account, which you can't,.... mati-mati also you wish to hold-on to your DBS Account, in spite of you insulting its bad exchange rate compared to your fintech companies.

Hence, we know,... overall,... which entity is better,... I CAN LIVE without TW BUT YOU can't live without a DBS Bank Account.

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