This thread is mainly for INTERNATIONAL MINI 4WD racer's postings/ discussions. As for local MINI 4WD discussions/ infomation for upcoming races, should you refer to the TAMIYA MINI 4WD V3 thread.

Anyway, you're welcome to give ideas/ suggestions to let us improve INTERNATIONAL MINI 4WD's website.

This post has been edited by mini4wd: May 15 2007, 04:15 PM

Cool!Finally we have getting started!!

Welcome there HK racer!

hi, people, mini 4wd forever !!!
anybody have boxes from a rc mini 4wd and a kit with a superf-fm chassis ?
i need pictures from the chassis tr-1 and super fm like this one


This post has been edited by diforce: May 6 2007, 11:36 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ujZLfDxd5M&NR=1


How can u embed mini4wd vid from utube on here.. what link should i use for the tag Youtube? Embed or URL?


Btw, does the Japanese starts to play mini4wd again? They have a 5 lanes tracks, it's so cool. I hope they'll promote them in America so i have a chance to play them.

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Added on May 7, 2007, 12:07 amThe guy Corlla on that youtube has lots of vid check him out guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKp_adSi2EU

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Added on May 7, 2007, 12:21 amanother one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTSyaU4uEn4&NR=1


I prefer the 3 lane tracks.. it's harder than this.

This post has been edited by khanhfat: May 7 2007, 12:21 AM

Nice to see you guys here!!!Thx for the support!!
So can you tell how many people join the competitions in average?
It's good to know the popularity of mini4wd all over the world first, then we can discuss whether we can setup a mini4wd international, and maybe we can run a Mini4wd world championship sometimes later!

btw, you guys see the video of 3"50 in JCJC is a mini4wd member in our club
His cars are impressive

This post has been edited by EChickeN: May 7 2007, 03:16 AM

I dont' think i have any super FM box with me.My first car is Super FM... that thing is darn fast also. I don't know why they stop develop front motors cars.

Hello Khanhfat! Super FM is good for technical courses, Rear motor chassis car is much faster than the FM ones. Recently there are some new old FM cars released like Burning-sun.

hi another crazy mini4wd racer reporting in i am a friend of mini4wd n i know echicken from youtube

does this thread different from the v3 one?

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/451363

VinC454,

The purpose of having this thread is mainly for International MINI 4WD racer's postings/ discussions. As for local MINI 4WD discussions/ infomation for upcoming races, should you refer to the TAMIYA MINI 4WD V3 thread.

Anyway, you're welcome to give ideas/ suggestions to let us improve International MINI 4WD's website.

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Added on May 7, 2007, 1:30 pmWelcome to join us!

This post has been edited by mini4wd: May 7 2007, 01:30 PM

yeah semi retired racer here

i just wanna know same thing or not..
cause i dont want any redundant thread..discussing almost the same thing

are there much internation collector here?

You mean TAMIYA collector? If YES, then I am. Are you a collector too?

mini4wd is from Singapore, Echicken is from HK but in Canada now, diforce is from Germany so yeah alot of international ppl here

FM chassis cars is equally as fast as rear motor chassis cars. There's a trick that must be adhere to ensure fast FM chassis cars.Kekeke!! I generally prefer Crimson Glory over my Avante. These 2 cars are classic, I've been keeping it for more than 10 years. I believe these cars still has what it takes to win races provided I change the motor (Those days, Hyper Dash is the fastest original tamiya motor you can get)

Thanks for the info! hmm but I still think its not true, due to the front motor chassis cars has no aero dynamic. Front Motor good for accelerate, stable during jumps or lane change but high speed not as good as rear motor chassis cars.

I agreed that Hyper Dash is a fastest motor those days. I guess you're an old hand with the age around 25-29.

I believe AeroSolitude is as aerodynamic as liberty emperror.
Flat and round
Oh, im no longer Tamiya racer, already getting old.. uhuk uhuk (cough)
*Started playing Tamiya like in 1993 (back in those Zero, type-5 and fm chassis days)

Yes, exactly 27 this year What is the fastest motor now? If we were to participate in a race, is it legal to open and modify the internal parts of the motor such as the motor terminal? I used to make my own motor that can performs faster than Hyper Dash but in the expense it can't run long.

Anyway, I don't think aerodynamics really works on these mini 4wd. As we know, aerodynamics comes into play when a vehicle or an object manage to achieve a certain speed. I believe mini 4wd all boils down to the power of the motor

This post has been edited by Thrust: May 7 2007, 03:49 PM

TAMIYA hi-end motor is PLASMA DASH, it requires rechargable battery for better performance. ULTRA DASH and JET DASH motors are also top motors, which many racers use it for race. It also depends on what kind of track are you going to race on.

For official TAMIYA races, no modifications are allowed, no spraying of motor lubicants. (shh.. I did this sometime during race.) I guess you also played AI-YU cars right?

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Added on May 7, 2007, 4:42 pmKool! Are you interested to join back to be TAMIYA racer?

This post has been edited by mini4wd: May 7 2007, 04:42 PM

Nop! strictly original TAMIYA. I hate those AI-YU cars. Don't really looks like a car, travel at insane speed and cannot run on obstacles tracks.

Trust, have you seen my latest video on youtube.com yet?

Nah, too old for that.
Besides, all new cars are not my cup of tea.
*I prefer all classic cars like MantaRay, AeroSolitude, Proto and Liberty Emperor.
The only car of next generation after those mentioned above that i had was Fully Cowled(sp?) Magnum Saber

Anyway, im suprised that these Tamiya racing is still going on after more than 15yrs of its existance

This post has been edited by e-jump: May 7 2007, 05:01 PM

Yeap, same here. Those classic cars always look good and authentic; it goes very well with the anime too. Last time, we loved to use Black Special Astute, Liberty Emperor, Manta ray.

TAMIYA racing is still going on, but not as popular as last time. Year 1991 - 1997.

Please do check it out at my latest TAMIYA race video, here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CMYcU5hffU

if i`m not mistaken , the turbo dash is faster ..
talking bout fm and rear mounte motors ,the official guidebook has something written about this is u can understand japanese..

to me every car has its strong points n week points just depends on how u mod the car n what track that u are facing in a race.as for me i am a diehard fm racer but its really for technical or semi technical track but for very high speed track a vs or tz will be very handy.so i normally bring a lot of cars to race.

bad thing abt fm/super-fm is that the front bumper breaks easily... -.-"

That's why we learn and research new ways to improve and strenghten the front.

I'm from Vietnam.. i used to play mini4 since 1999. in 2004, i took off and fly over USA to study.

My first car was FM. I can't believe they have front motors car. I won my first race with it too, then got beaten with upgraded cars. First time i join the race with that Strato Vector and no upgrades. It's still able to win with the Orange motor.

Front bumper of FM is weak.. i breaks 2 of them. They should make an FM- X like they did with TZ X. it's gonna be badd as s.

when I look at the track in the video, how can you guys manage the Jump. Races in Vietnam doesn't have bridges and Jumps like that one. Only interchange lanes bridge. Those jumps reminds me of something new that you can try, which i still remember from old vids of Japanese races from a tape that they show in Vietnam. The trick is : They put high power fans to blow the car during a straight run ( reminds me of Let's go first few chapters). Why don't some of the organizers put those fans to blow while the car starts to jump on the bridge? It'll be cool

I've seen some of you guy's car put down force wings on the body, Why don't you try to flip upside down to see what happen. Like in planes, the wing flip up ____// makes the plane go up. if the wing flip down ---\\\ like that it'll make the plane go down.

-----(wind)--->>> -----(wing)---\\\ which results a better down force to keep the front down???

So why don't some of the player try this. I don't know if it's common sense in aero physic or not but it's worth to try to prevent the car from jumping too high. The wing can be put in the rear, front, and middle. I'd prefer to put it in the middle.

It's just an idea pops out of my head. You guys should try it.


By the way, Vietnamese car sticks with roller extension alot, which we use both of Roller extension in front and back of the car + 19mm ( if i'm right) rollers. 2 pairs in the back and 1 pairs in the front so the car will completely fit int the track. Only a little space between roller and wall. I don't know if many of you try this set up before, it may be old to you guys. Wider extension can result harder landing after jumps so it may be not good in you guys's Malaysia track).

The trick in using the Extension is we can bend the extension plate in higher angle than the original( use a pincers) , which results more down force of the front bumper and stable jumps in Change Lane Bridge ( how do u call it?) and curves. Higher angle of the front roller results more down force but don't bend them too much though. Just slightly over 3 or 5 degrees more.

My car used to jumps out a lot but after i did this trick, it's stop flying out at those bridges. This only works most effective with alunium rollers with rubber ring outside.


My trick above may be old, has any one try it yet? I mostly see you use FRP plate and nothing else, I was like " how can you guys keep the car in track with bearings rollers while passing the bridge?"

This post has been edited by khanhfat: May 8 2007, 07:03 AM

what u have played is like what the Italians are playing now high speed with only the lane change as the obstacle.what we play is more to technical which is more fun and challenging.i hope more of u guys can share this kind of experience so we all can learn more bout mini4wd racing all around the world.

don't forget more downforce = more drag = slower...

so too much downforce ain't good neither...

not a collector if this tamiya..

to much downforce is bad but if u can get just enought the u car can perform fantasic.

yep... I just suggest a slight adjustment on the front of the bumper.. only if your car often fly out. Otherwise justkeep it the same. Some times the angle of the down force of stock chassis is not deep enough to handle the speed of the fast car. Slight adjustment won't harm a thing.


Put high power fans near the tracks man it'll blows all the car away when it starts to jump. .. it's more challeging :D.. let's put change lane bridge into the branch. like in the pic...



Pic from the italian site... just a sample though.


I really like technical racing track like you guys do with bridges and curves.

This post has been edited by khanhfat: May 8 2007, 12:58 PM

back to the topic
I got an idea
why don we put the history of mini4wd in a website, to have a rough history of mini4wd around the world?

btw, I also wanna have a technical track in our club if it is possible...

This post has been edited by EChickeN: May 8 2007, 01:37 PM

u can do it if u have enough lane change to convert to the ramps.
when are u going back to hk?

maybe May 2008....

You mean, a history of clubs and championships or the main history of mini4wd ?
the mini4wd history(bad english) is in my signature

This post has been edited by diforce: May 8 2007, 06:57 PM

ask someone to put a link in page 1 or sth like dat la

yeah, something like that
but it is beyond that, I mean maybe we should have a brief history of mini4wd in each country

also, I think we better to have comittees for the mini4wd international forum

well count me in, i just want to make mini4wd as big as rc racing.
now my main aim is to get more people to know about our thread here especially mini4wd lovers or racers from all over the world.

This post has been edited by david tamiya: May 9 2007, 01:47 PM

thanks your link , i was able to identify the old advante which i got last time , he .. it was a limited edtion model

Good count me in too I'm forever a mini 4wd racer. I wish to have international races.

thanks a lot!!!!!pls leave your name if you want to join the committee group!
hope more people can join us!!

I don't know if there is any players in Vietnam.. most of them addicted to ONline Games and hiphop now.

Btw, just count me in I'll represent American Group.

er... what comittee are you talking about ar ?

Mini4wd international group... I'm thinking of building my car and ship to malaysia and test it out :D:D

Haha Khanhfat, I suggest that you ship yourself and car to Malaysia or Singapore and join us play mini 4wd more fun and you get to experience it.

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Added on May 11, 2007, 10:22 amHey wondering why I have an '?' beside the Posts:2(?) at my avanta?

This post has been edited by mini4wd: May 11 2007, 10:22 AM

ship yourself better

it the faq for the post count. too many people asking why post count no increase .

if u do that my track is always open for u

If it is an INTERNATIONAL MINI 4WD RACE, should we create own rules and the basic come from Japanese official rule? Then, we shouldn't permit to use any particular motor like Atomic tune, the racers can use any kind of Tamiya motors. Wow, should be interesting! Next, every year each country held a race. ;p

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Added on May 11, 2007, 11:20 amSonic, I can't do anything to it, right? I think just let it be.. Thanks

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Added on May 11, 2007, 11:21 amEric, what do you think ya?


This post has been edited by mini4wd: May 11 2007, 11:21 AM

:D:D my visa wont' let me go out of the states man. I just simply stuck in the states til i graduate. which is next 4 years.... i don't know what's gonna happen to Mini4wd now.

Well, this summer i'm gonna ask if my dad still keep my old mini4wd stuff, then my can bring it back to the states then i can do upgrades on it. I want to try out the parts on mini4wd pro.



Btw, I don't see much plasma Dash racing around.... that thing tears out the track pretty bad especially cars with alunium bearing rollers with out the rubber ring. If you remove the rubber ring it'll increase the speed a little .

This post has been edited by khanhfat: May 11 2007, 11:50 AM

In Singapore/ Malaysia MINI4WD rules, we're allowed to use 17/ 19mm Alum. rollers without the O-ring rubber. Yes, the car will be much faster especially during cornerings.

Khanhfat, do not BS us. To ship yourself via post do not need to have VISA, all you need to do just ask someone to pack you with bubble plastic wrap, water bottle, foods into the carton.

Here is the address you should ship to:
David
Tamiya Underground
B25,Basement 2 , New Wing
1 Utama Shopping Centre
03-7729 0553

Note: Do not forget to add tracking number just in case you went missing, we can track where are you.

J/K

Certainly I think we should make up some rules
I think maybe we will make them based on the Japanese rules, but we may do adjustment through our discussion
for the motors,what we do in HK is to separate them into 2 groups
one is restricted motor race, people can only use rev tuned, torque tuned and atomic tuned
for the race with no restriction, they can use any tamiya mini4wd motor

also, I think it would be better to have the international race maybe once in 2 years or even 3 years, as we probably cannot make it once a year, that may be difficult for the country to do the arrangement, and it will also be a problem to the racers, many of them cannot do travel every year I think

This post has been edited by EChickeN: May 11 2007, 01:18 PM

i think the main thing is to setup a website then get more members before we can do any race

Hmm.. Who're good in setting up the website? Who're willing to pay for the host and domain?

I can make the website but i dunno how much the domain hosting will cost.

it is for sure, so that's why I ask who are willing to be the comittees, I think the number of comittee will increase from time to time
but we have few things to do at the moment
1st we have to setup a forum, that can be a free one(as u have mentioned)
2nd we need to find more people in discussing the issue, all racers are welcome, especially those who are from different countries rather than those in HK, Sg , Malaysia....of cos even you are those countries people, it is not a problem
but what I mean is I hope we can make it really an international one

Eric, why you ain't sleep in this hour? hehe

actually it's late now, I just care the mini4wd issue although I am sleepy
time to sleep now...have class at 9:00 tml

Sweet dream dude



Wow, this is great!


This post has been edited by mini4wd: May 11 2007, 06:12 PM

1)david/ malaysia
2)

Guys.. amazing news.. I found my old pic of my mini4wd. I don't have much money to upgrade so here are my set up, I haven't test these on road yet. I have some other ones but it takes time to build. I just talk to my dad in Vietnam and he still keep the old stuff. I just gonna tell him to send me these 2 cars and the parts.

The thing about Alunium bumper is it easily get bend after a crash.. those are some chinese parts that i bought other stuff are all Tamiya's. OMG i'm so excited of finding the old pictures. I can't believe i brought them with me on a CD to America. Yay!!!

cool!
so wht do you guys think now?should we have a forum right now or open it after some discussions?(ie context of the forum)

I think we currently stick to this forum for the time being. I am asking one of my Italian friend to join in for discussion at this forum.

gd idea, it is great that we can invite more people to join us

the 3rd pic from the bottom, the car somehow reminds me of batman`s car .... lol

yes we have to plan everything first before we start if not later there will be problems.

yeah right... inspired from a Japanese magazine in 1995... their car sure looks nice with the decorations.

Khanhfat, a question for you
Did you contact every mini4wd racers that you have subscribed in youtube?
I saw you had subscribed lots of them
Just wanna know if you have invited them so I dont have to do the same thing to the same peroson

NOt yet... i added comments on their site but most didnt' reply. I'll send a Corolla dude a message. Stay tuned

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Added on May 15, 2007, 3:16 amhttp://www.tamiya.com/japan/download/pdf/junior/news/pdf/000081.pdf

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Added on May 15, 2007, 3:19 amhttp://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://www.tamiya.com/japan/mini4wd/regulation.htm Japanese rules

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Added on May 15, 2007, 12:07 pmJust contact Sirio50 from Italy, he is one of the leader of Mini4wd in Italy I guess. He'll be joining this forum soon. he told me that he'll built the 600meters track , which is bigger than last year. I'll hope to see more photos.

This post has been edited by khanhfat: May 15 2007, 12:07 PM

I am persuading Corolla to join us
He replied my message in youtube, I hope he will be coming soon

btw, Khanhfat, forget about crashgears, haha...

good job both of u really waiting for the big 1 from sirio

haha great you guys also know who is Sirio

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Added on May 15, 2007, 1:46 pmEric, you mean the CorollaCorolla from Japan? hehe

This post has been edited by mini4wd: May 15 2007, 01:46 PM

right

Kool, I think we should get more people to join us to discuss about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6D9VwPAJY4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-gc4UbT48E

new vid by corolla

This post has been edited by david tamiya: May 15 2007, 03:20 PM

Nice vids

dude, I donno if it is appropriate to do it here, but I wanna to share the songs from Let's & Go! to you guys

http://www.sendspace.com/file/dixnf3

and also this one..

http://www.sendspace.com/file/okupwc

enjoy!!

time attack by corolla
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ0XfqYpDtU

I think the video has been deleted by the owner itself ..

sorry to say that but this video is about his ms chassis doing 3.25sec on the jr mini4wd circuit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOh81CApVX8
the new link

This post has been edited by david tamiya: May 19 2007, 07:58 PM

this thread really brings back my childhood memories...i think my tamiya toolkit box is left untouch for 10 years but i still keep it in my storeroom...i'll post the pics when i'm free...

cheers

well just receive very good news from tamiya cos end of this year in dec there will be a mini4wd world championship but to enter there will be qualifying rounds for each country. so good luck guys hope to see u there.

wht?Tamiya is going to do it?can you give me some details?I think we can help Tamiya a little bit.....

i will post the details once i get it from them so exited.
when i get all the data i will post.

Yes, please.I am excited...but I think Tamiya doesn't have much time for preparation..only 6 months...also...I hope we can do something for this
maybe we can open our forum soon..

I am just afraid that we don have much power to negotiate with Tamiya...about the playing method..the rules..

i juz managed to find my old car in my storeroom...havent touched for around 10 years...wondering whether the hyper-dash motor still can run





C&C are welcomed...

hahahh they race will follow tamiya official ruling they are big enough to do the race dont worry.

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Added on May 19, 2007, 7:47 pmsad to say this is mini2wd with over 70% non tamiya parts.

This post has been edited by david tamiya: May 19 2007, 07:47 PM

not Tamiya parts?That's fine, we are just discussing and it is nice to see things in the past...

yes...but I mean if everything is done by Tamiya, our existence(mini4wd international) seems become less meaningful

What I think is, to group the representatives of mini4wd racers from each country, then to discuss the rules, type of racing stuff....then we may find tamiya or other sponsers to do world mini4wd championships(WMC)

But then, if Tamiya would take over the whole WMC, we will have much less power to negotiate with the company, as we miss the lead. I donno whether Tamiya will listen to our suggestions. I know many of you guys playing mini4wd under the company that is authorised by Tamiya,everything follows to the Tamiya guide.I dont mean I am opposing Tamiya to hold the WMC, but I think our suggestions will become less effective to Tamiya if we lose the lead of holding WMC.For instance, I want to separate 2 groups to race.One is restricted motor group(FA-130 , hyper mini , touch dash ,rev , torque , atomic)and another is unrestricted(others).
But then , will Tamiya take this into consideration?I donno...
What I am afraid of is if Tamiya is going to be ignorant , we can do nothing with this...

This post has been edited by EChickeN: May 20 2007, 06:16 AM

post more info about this please David Tamiya... i wish there is some group play in USA, man.. this makes me wanna have a talk at the local hobby that used to carry mini4wd but didnt' success in promoting it.

David, please confirm if your source is the real one
I think we may have to boost up to setup the forum and send a email to Tamiya, whether we can take part in the organisation of WMC

i work for tamiya malaysia and i am the one in charge of mini4wd section here so do u believe me or not is up to u.as for wmc there is nothing wrong with doing what we want to do, cos there can be a tamiya wmc and a private wmc u got what i mean.

I think the best condition is we can cooperate with Tamiya
becos tamiya is the producer of mini4wd, so it has much rallying point to ask the mini4wd racers all over the world to join its competition....but can u ask if it is possible to do so?Thx

to cooperate with them we have to be big enough that is the main thing but with just few of us here nth can be done but just hope with this wmc this year more n more international racer will appear n i think this is the best way to get more ppl to join us.

Tamiya Should do some advertisement on their pages in Europe, US and Asia and contact large hobby shops to promote their races.

david, I have received your message....so jealous of you...I wanna have that shirt also ...
sigh....can anyone tell me what can we do now?

This post has been edited by EChickeN: May 21 2007, 07:30 AM

u can order the t shirt from a dealer in your place...
as for our group we just keep on doing what we had started