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post Mar 8 2022, 11:16 PM

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My mum got a bit of money in FD, i wonder if i shall ask her to withdraw all the money and then deposit into EPF.
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post Mar 8 2022, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 8 2022, 11:23 PM)
assuming your mom is either above 55 years old or have 1 million in EPF, yes, just contribute whatever possible into EPF.
no matter what, EPF dividend is minimum 2.5%, and she can withdraw anytime she likes either online or in person at EPF office. Win-Win.
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She is in her 70s already. Any other advice if I wanted to persuade her to put the money into EPF?


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post Mar 8 2022, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 8 2022, 11:42 PM)
Wow, I never think of this. Does she have an existing EPF account?
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I also never thought about this. She often troubles herself to move the money around different banks for FD. sad.gif

Most likely dun have an existing EPF account
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post Mar 8 2022, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 8 2022, 11:52 PM)
Interetsed to know if can self-register at the counter and since already above Age 55, will it be under Akaun Emas.
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Yea, may need to run to their office once. You also plan to do it for your parent?
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post Mar 9 2022, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 8 2022, 11:57 PM)
You gave me an idea. Will talk to them and see how is it. Problem will be bringing them to the EPF counter lol.`
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Haha I also suddenly got this light bulb. 😂

Because my mum always like, example this FD matured then she will take out and go around ask other banks for their FD rates compared then deposit again.

So she has a few FD in few different banks and very hassle every 6 months.

If can all put into EPF, not only has better rates and also no more hassles.

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post Mar 9 2022, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 8 2022, 11:57 PM)
You gave me an idea. Will talk to them and see how is it. Problem will be bringing them to the EPF counter lol. But still unsure if EPF really do allow this  hmm.gif
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If you did go to epf to ask, please give us an update notworthy.gif
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post Mar 9 2022, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 9 2022, 12:06 AM)
Can you perhaps try to ask this question at their FB page, via PM.

I could, but I just shoot them yesterday coz my self-contribution was missing  laugh.gif So cannot ask too soon.
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Haha okie, can. Will update here.

How come self contribution missing? This is also something I scared because my parent not IT savvy etc, if anything went wrong they may not notice it 🥲
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post Mar 9 2022, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 9 2022, 12:10 AM)
well, the interest calculation is daily rest, so technically your mom don't have to worry about when she takes the money and kena penalty (forfeit her interest).

The next 2 points may not be too relevant for your mom, but they are benefits:
a) The money inside is creditor/bankruptcy remote, very similar to life insurance policy: meaning the balance inside cannot be touched even when she is declared bankrupt. 

b) the money inside will be disbursed immediate to the nominated beneficiaries independent of the process of execution of will/estate (this better say carefully as some elderly people are quite pantang)

But to me the best part is the dividend rate is far superior to FD rates, and it is daily rest.
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So much better than the FD outside. Shall have thought about this earlier… aiyaaaaa… but late is better than never.

So you helped your parent to open EPF accounts?

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post Mar 9 2022, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 9 2022, 12:12 AM)
Haha, okay actually I shoot them because their live chat agent just cut me off after letting me wait my turn for 45 mins. I wanted to ask why my self-contributed amount is still not reflected. It is just a case of delayed by few days.

I think on IT aspect, you would need to assist them and also monitor too.
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I see. If it is just system delayed shall be fine.

Yea, I think I need to help them monitor. Shall
Be no problem, can use my phone to login anytime
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post Mar 9 2022, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 9 2022, 12:17 AM)
yeah, better late than never. This part is very true, especially with bank rates being so low.

Unfortunately, my parent already spent all their savings/money on my siblings' education many years ago, so their "savings" is basically from their kids. They are truly the old but magnanimous parents where kids education takes precedence.
I unfortunately not so magnanimous... :-P I won't spend all my wealth lor... lol.
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Thank you so much for the additional details. I will pm their fb and ask about it 😆

My parents not rich either but this consider as their little bit of last saving that’s it. And I also don’t want them to keep going to banks by banks at such old age
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post Mar 9 2022, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 9 2022, 12:27 AM)
welcome. glad to share the info.

EPF is still the safest place to store one's funds... safer than any local banks, especially for cash denominated in ringgit.

Oh yeah, sometimes I think the elderly likes to go to banks as their activities... you know, they say it gives them chance to do something... just that with covid around, it is risker than normal.
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Indeed higher risk. I knew someone that works in bank, the covid clusters there is no joke. It is so common that they are used to it.

Those either close contact or positive, just ask to go back and self quarantined. The bank will be disinfected once then back to normal operation.
QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 9 2022, 12:28 AM)
Apart from that, other benefits would be they can withdraw the money without it being locked for the case of FD, and also no need to worry about PIDM status for certain banks.

The past discussions on the beneficiary is good too, because nowadays with eFD, hard to open joint FD account.
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Delighted to read this. Makes me even more motivated already 😆
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post Mar 9 2022, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(c64 @ Mar 9 2022, 01:57 PM)
Why don't just try live chat first at their website or call them? Maybe will get you the info.
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Good idea too. Thank you so much ❤️
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post Mar 14 2022, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 9 2022, 12:06 AM)
Can you perhaps try to ask this question at their FB page, via PM.

I could, but I just shoot them yesterday coz my self-contribution was missing  laugh.gif So cannot ask too soon.
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 9 2022, 12:10 AM)
well, the interest calculation is daily rest, so technically your mom don't have to worry about when she takes the money and kena penalty (forfeit her interest).

The next 2 points may not be too relevant for your mom, but they are benefits:
a) The money inside is creditor/bankruptcy remote, very similar to life insurance policy: meaning the balance inside cannot be touched even when she is declared bankrupt. 

b) the money inside will be disbursed immediate to the nominated beneficiaries independent of the process of execution of will/estate (this better say carefully as some elderly people are quite pantang)

But to me the best part is the dividend rate is far superior to FD rates, and it is daily rest.
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QUOTE(cms @ Mar 9 2022, 12:19 AM)
Maybe when u have kids your views could change. Hahahha
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QUOTE(c64 @ Mar 9 2022, 01:57 PM)
Why don't just try live chat first at their website or call them? Maybe will get you the info.
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I just give a call to EPF, yes, we can open a normal conventional account for our mum on behalf, however there is a caveat, as long as your parent is below age 75, still can open account, but once passed 75, no longer can deposit money, can only maintain the account and withdraw the money.

And it is recommended to use e-banking to perform contribution to EPF, because over the counter, they have limited up to RM 500 maximum to deposit.
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post Mar 14 2022, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 14 2022, 01:49 PM)
Thank you for the update.

Didn't realize that there is such a small RM 500 limit for in-person contribution. This applies to cash only or also for cheque?
although I agree online transfer is easier...
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Cash only, good question, i didn't ask about cheque, sorry about that.

Yea, online transfer is easier but my parent, not tech savvy.
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 14 2022, 01:57 PM)
Thanks alot bro
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haha, i need to reiterates again, because I may convey the message well enough. <75 years old age, can open EPF account, deposit any amount <60k per annum and make full withdrawal anytime. Once >75 years old, no longer can open EPF account or make any deposit into the existing EPF account. But can still maintain the existing EPF account, and can only make withdrawals.

QUOTE(c64 @ Mar 14 2022, 01:57 PM)
Maybe they scare Duit Haram...there is a recent story of a robber who robs the bank and then not much latter tries to bank in RM350k CASH into another bank....doh.gif
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Oh make sense. Good guess.
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 14 2022, 02:17 PM)
No worries... i guess EPF didn't want to hire extra security at their branches and do not want to handle AMLA issues. Online transfer is cleaner from their point of view.

Well, I believe you can help your parents to transfer money in. nothing stopping a third party from sending money in, if not mistaken.
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Yes you are right. EPF told me , any third party can send and contribute money in. No problem, just need to key in EPF account details correctly
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 14 2022, 03:00 PM)
Very clear 😁 now to convince my mom
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Haha same here, need to convince too.
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QUOTE(c64 @ Mar 14 2022, 01:57 PM)
Maybe they scare Duit Haram...there is a recent story of a robber who robs the bank and then not much latter tries to bank in RM350k CASH into another bank....doh.gif
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 14 2022, 02:17 PM)
No worries... i guess EPF didn't want to hire extra security at their branches and do not want to handle AMLA issues. Online transfer is cleaner from their point of view.

Well, I believe you can help your parents to transfer money in. nothing stopping a third party from sending money in, if not mistaken.
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 14 2022, 03:00 PM)
Very clear 😁 now to convince my mom
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Just wanted to know is this true?

I told someone this idea and he told me that he hasn’t been honestly declaring his income to LHDN. If he contribute to EPF, later Kena LHDN flagged and investigated .

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 16 2022, 09:39 PM)
Cannot discount this posibility as they are both government entity after all and LHDN arm is far and reaching.
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 16 2022, 09:51 PM)
possibility is always there, and nowadays, everything is recorded electronically. All one need is a smart, honest and focused data scientist to do the necessary reconciliation of the 2dataset, and that is it. This is ignoring the fact that EPF will be guarding their member’s list and info viciously while LHDN will not be sharing their data right?

In reality, for the next X years (X is for you to guess), nothing of this sort will happen. The system/politicians will not encourage this as it would also mean that such “process” can be used to catch them as well. Data does not discriminate.... If people are flagged, means someone “corrupt” has to filter the list in order not to accidentally kena politicians.

(remember the first time BPR/N or whatever it was called, a certain ex-PM’s wife also can get the monetary help from gov despite being so rich with bags of cash. To mean it shows that we really don’t have such talents to do so much work). 

Disclaimer: this is all for fun and discussion only. God knows what can or cannot be done in Malaysia. Look at LHDN needing to prove that a tax payer need to pay tax and not the other way around.... never heard of.
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I see. Thank you so much to both of you notworthy.gif
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post Mar 17 2022, 04:26 PM

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All of us will threaten to withdraw if they go tiered but how many will actually withdraw all?
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The thing is, even if wanted to withdrawal, we can’t withdrawal out. And it is by law , EPF is mandatory for employees in Malaysia. Basically, like it or not, they can do whatever they want

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