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post Feb 13 2018, 10:41 PM, updated 8y ago

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KUALA LUMPUR: Efforts by Universiti Teknologi Mara (UiTM) in emphasising the importance of English in all fields of study have enabled it to produce marketable graduates, said its pro-chancellor, Arshad Ayub.

He said this had made employers more keen to employ UiTM graduates than those from other universities.

“In the early years of its establishment, 90% of the lecturers at the university (then known as the Mara Institute of Technology – ITM) taught in English and it also emphasised professional courses,” he said when appearing as a guest on Bernama News Channel’s “Nine 11” programme today.

Besides being able to master the English language, he said UiTM graduates were also in demand because of the professionalism and integrity ingrained by the university.

Arshad, 90, a graduate in Economy and Statistics from the University College of Wales, Aberystwyth, in the United Kingdom, was the first ITM director, from 1967 to 1975.



He was Bank Negara deputy governor from 1975 to 1977 and then served as the secretary-general in several ministries.

Arshad retired from government service in 1983 after serving for 32 years and was appointed UiTM pro-chancellor in 2000.

On the suggestion for UiTM to be opened to non-Bumiputeras, Arshad said this could be considered for those intending to continue their studies to the Master’s level and above.

He said it should be looked at in the context of competition, not only in Malaysia and the Asean region but also at the international level.

“My opinion is that at the Bachelor’s degree level, let it remain for the Bumiputeras, but at the Master’s degree level and doctorates, I think we can allow other races because we want our students to be able to compete at the international level,” he said.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...h.u9l1XEso.gbpl
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post Feb 13 2018, 10:42 PM

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there's a big difference between marketable and usable lol
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post Feb 13 2018, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(jay14smith @ Feb 13 2018, 10:42 PM)
there's a big difference between marketable and usable lol
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Indeed....seeing that UiTM can't even differentiate those two...... rolleyes.gif
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post Feb 13 2018, 10:48 PM

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post Feb 13 2018, 10:50 PM

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wait until politicians comment first

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post Feb 13 2018, 10:50 PM

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Why use english wtf. #proudofbm #boikotingerris
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post Feb 13 2018, 11:13 PM

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UiTM kids they either can speak good English or cannot speak at all.

LOL
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post Feb 13 2018, 11:21 PM

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As a UiTM alumni, I say that forcing English through study material only created a lot of graduates whose command of language are 'neither here nor there'.

Many Malay kids who came from rural areas were weak in English, and either needed to rely on their better classmates to translate shit, or fall behind. They wasted too much time struggling to understand their study material than to actually master the actual skills relevant to their courses.

I used to believe in that 'English makes Bumiputera graduates more attractive to employers' bullshit until I actually joined the workforce and saw that:

1. UiTM students arent THAT good in English. Who can blame them though? Unless their entire course is about learning the language, they only have a few class hours throughout 3 semesters to learn the damn thing.

"But they already learned English throughout 11 years of school. Even if they're bad at English, they can still communicate enough to comprehend the important details." You'd say. Then why the fuck make them waste time learning that shit some more in university?!

If anything, what those kids need is more translated study material so that they can actually spend more time honing their craft instead of fighting the language, but our publications are lousy as fuck and filled with errors.

2. Many professionals I know actually started working after SPM, and learned the language as they move along in their careers. They take specialized short courses that focus only on their field and nothing else when they need to.

The trend I've been seeing lately with companies, especially MNCs, is to bring in professionals from Phillipines, PRC, India, even Bangladesh, when they need shit to be done. With the exception of maybe Indians(their English accent is so bad... I cant comprehend what they say unless they speak slowly), those guys cant form a single grammatically correct sentence to save their fucking lives, but we understand what they say and they understand what we say. In fact, the STP dropout old-time operators understand them more than I do.

I dont know who conducted the study about companies' refusal to hire Malays because we were allegedly too poor in English(I say its a bullshit excuse to hire even cheaper workers from countries with cheaper forex). The way I see it though, if you are good at what you do, companies will make an effort to understand you.

But you cant have too many smart people in this country. Certain parties and religious organizations need their share of ignorant people to keep their power.

This post has been edited by jamilselamat: Feb 13 2018, 11:34 PM
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post Feb 13 2018, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(jamilselamat @ Feb 13 2018, 11:21 PM)
As a UiTM alumni, I say that forcing English through study material only created a lot of graduates whose command of language are 'neither here nor there'.

Many Malay kids who came from rural areas were weak in English, and either needed to rely on their better classmates to translate shit, or fall behind. They wasted too much time struggling to understand their study material than to actually master the actual skills relevant to their courses.

I used to believe in that 'English makes Bumiputera graduates more attractive to employers' bullshit until I actually joined the workforce and saw that:

1. UiTM students arent THAT good in English. Who can blame them though? Unless their entire course is about learning the language, they only have a few class hours throughout 3 semesters to learn the damn thing.

"But they already learned English throughout 11 years of school. Even if they're bad at English, they can still communicate enough to comprehend the important details." You'd say. Then why the fuck make them waste time learning that shit some more in university?!

If anything, what those kids need is more translated study material so that they can actually spend more time honing their craft instead of fighting the language, but our publications are lousy as fuck and filled with errors.

2. Many professionals I know actually started working after SPM, and learned the language as they move along in their careers. They take specialized short courses that focus only on their field and nothing else when they need to.

The trend I've been seeing lately with companies, especially MNCs, is to bring in professionals from Phillipines, PRC, India, even Bangladesh, when they need shit to be done. With the exception of maybe Indians(their English accent is so bad... I cant comprehend what they say unless they speak slowly), those guys cant form a single grammatically correct sentence to save their fucking lives, but we get what they want and they get what we want. In fact, the STP dropout old-time operators understand them more than I do.

I dont know who conducted the study about companies' refusal to hire Malays because we were allegedly too poor in English(I say its a bullshit excuse to hire even cheaper workers from countries with cheaper forex). The way I see it though, if you are good at what you do, companies will make an effort to understand you.

But you cant have too many smart people in this country. Certain parties and religious organizations need their share of ignorant people to keep their power.
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but we get what they want and they get what we want.
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post Feb 13 2018, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Feb 13 2018, 11:31 PM)
but we get what they want and they get what we want.
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I used the word 'get' as in, "DONT YOU 'GET' IT, MOTHERFUCKER!?".

But fine, you wanna nitpick, and I'm just a lowly product of UiTM anyway, so I edited that line to be more precise. Happy?
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QUOTE(jamilselamat @ Feb 13 2018, 11:36 PM)
I used the word 'get' as in, "DONT YOU 'GET' IT, MOTHERFUCKER!?".

But fine, you wanna nitpick, and I'm just a lowly product of UiTM anyway, so I edited that line to be more precise. Happy?
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post Feb 13 2018, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(jamilselamat @ Feb 13 2018, 11:21 PM)
As a UiTM alumni, I say that forcing English through study material only created a lot of graduates whose command of language are 'neither here nor there'.

Many Malay kids who came from rural areas were weak in English, and either needed to rely on their better classmates to translate shit, or fall behind. They wasted too much time struggling to understand their study material than to actually master the actual skills relevant to their courses.

I used to believe in that 'English makes Bumiputera graduates more attractive to employers' bullshit until I actually joined the workforce and saw that:

1. UiTM students arent THAT good in English. Who can blame them though? Unless their entire course is about learning the language, they only have a few class hours throughout 3 semesters to learn the damn thing.Who is to blame then?

"But they already learned English throughout 11 years of school. Even if they're bad at English, they can still communicate enough to comprehend the important details." You'd say. Then why the fuck make them waste time learning that shit some more in university?!

If anything, what those kids need is more translated study material so that they can actually spend more time honing their craft instead of fighting the language, but our publications are lousy as fuck and filled with errors. Who the heck would want to spend their efforts in translating? You realized you are talking about a pointless exercise, ie translating? Most literature, new and old, on your "craft" is in English. Do they need every damn thing translated for them? Why the heck is wrong them improving their English? Are they so useless? (Rhetorical, response not necessarily required)

2. Many professionals I know actually started working after SPM, and learned the language as they move along in their careers. They take specialized short courses that focus only on their field and nothing else when they need to. Are they really that limited and useless?

The trend I've been seeing lately with companies, especially MNCs, is to bring in professionals from Phillipines, PRC, India, even Bangladesh, when they need shit to be done. With the exception of maybe Indians(their English accent is so bad... I cant comprehend what they say unless they speak slowly), those guys cant form a single grammatically correct sentence to save their fucking lives, but we get what they want and they get what we want. In fact, the STP dropout old-time operators understand them more than I do. My experience is quite different. You might have difficulty in understand their spoken English, but if you ask them to email you what they are getting at, you will find their written English is quite good. But don't worry, if they don't have any other important skills to compensate for the useless English, they will not get hired.

I dont know who conducted the study about companies' refusal to hire Malays because we were allegedly too poor in English(I say its a bullshit excuse to hire even cheaper workers from countries with cheaper forex). The way I see it though, if you are good at what you do, companies will make an effort to understand you. What's wrong with making yourself understood in the first place?

But you cant have too many smart people in this country. Certain parties and religious organizations need their share of ignorant people to keep their power. Certain races have a monopoly of ignorant people, yes.
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post Feb 14 2018, 12:00 AM


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not really relevant.

first impression during interview is WTF is this idiot doing here.

needless to say the person didn't get the job
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post Feb 14 2018, 12:02 AM

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alot of my kolik from few companies dunno how to talk gooding enlgish also boss so like?? the in work talk own languange nobody can understand?? bodo

edit: talk malay also laughable doh.gif

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should make English as mandatory in education system
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rpg players who played for the storyline have quite commendable English on paper. And some of them verbally too with slang included due to influence from the game dialogs.

This is how my brothers and I learn English. We did ok.
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Baca lar novel english. Jangan tgk porno. Period
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I learn the english skill from lowyats forum. Tirima kasi abang se7en
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post Feb 14 2018, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Feb 14 2018, 06:43 AM)
rpg players who played for the storyline have quite commendable English on paper. And some of them verbally too with slang included due to influence from the game dialogs.

This is how my brothers and I learn English. We did ok.
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Right onnnnn. I contribute my better than average English to computer games (way back 80-90s)

...and yeah, books to. Masa kindy baca Enid Blyton

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topkek news of the day.. them rempits ain't no fukken learning no fukken england
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QUOTE(ijan @ Feb 14 2018, 08:42 AM)
Right onnnnn. I contribute my better than average English to computer games (way back 80-90s)

...and yeah, books to. Masa kindy baca Enid Blyton
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My mum shove Hardy Boys books to our faces but I wasn't really interested. End up liking margeret Weis and Tracy Hickman series, Dragonlance, Death Gate cycle etc.

I remembered my friend was an otaku when otaku wasn't even a thing. He learnt Japanese from ps rpg, Xenogear. End up studying in Japan and every now and then still invited to give lectures on power grid and power station to Japanese engineers.

I tell you learning language from games really works!

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