Between Sunway University, APIIT (APU) and Taylors University, which uni is best for their IT programme?

APU

Are you sure? Because I’ve heard that APU isn’t as good as it was anymore. People are saying the lectures and syllabus aren’t top notch anymore. I know that APU is recognised for its IT degrees, but are they any good? Thanks

hmmm....

i have graduated from MMU with the major of security,

from what i can judged on most competition,
MMU and APU are usually one of the 'competitors' for most of the competition in security related field,

*and graduates from APU seems to be quite competitive in the industry if i'm not mistaken.

personally would choose APU, more different major suited to your liking, and they're recognized a lot in the industry

but generally, you can't go wrong with any

Actually one of the biggest pet peeves i have is with the following two statements:

1. That particular university has the most employed graduates or that the graduates are highly employable.
That really doesn't make any sense except as a marketing gimmick. The reality is that most if not all of a particular institution's graduates would be eventually employed. The real question is how many of those students are employed within the industry or area of their studies or more importantly - how many of the graduates are earning at least 30% more than the national average of computing-based entry level jobs.

2. Graduates in a particular institution are quite competitive in the Industry.
Define competitive. Do you mean adaptable? What is the measure of the research? How many companies have stated that and from which particular batch or year? It's not a good definition if it's merely anecdotal or here-say. But this is something a lot of universities use as their marketing campaign.

And another thing - I have always stated that the landscape of computing or market-leaders in tertiary education will always change due to various factors. APU and MMU might be the best 10 years ago (and they still might) but because of lecturer mobility, focus (too much research-driven or too business oriented) or even business decisions (too much diversification or dilution of core areas) - a leading institution may lose their place. Now recently i was present in a competition that had two tracks (this was organised by a renowned corporate giant's IT arm) - one is a pure programming-based track and the other is a logic problem hunting, both of which required a high level of mathematics and programming know-how (maths is primary). The winners of the competition were surprising - UM swiped all the top three prizes for the first track while Tunku Abdul Rahman University College(TARUC), University Tunku Abdul Rahman (UTAR), KDU University College and First City University College won the various accolades. MMU and APU was present there.

Now, this is just one competition only and is not representative of the whole eco-system but one of the most telling signs is the lack of mathematics fundamental in students. UM proved to have the most proficient student in this. Again - this is not representative of the whole student body but i generally feel that most universities cringe away from the hard maths subject (which tends to have the highest failure rates - and that is bad for business).

And don't let anyone tell you otherwise - Maths is CRUCIAL for high-level programming.

So yeah - I would advise you to check out Sunway or even UM for that matter. They must be doing something right. Don't just stick with APU just because of their prior reputation alone.

How are they recognized? Who recognized them?

Thank you so much for your opinion!
I was keeping APU in mind, but I’ve heard a lot of bad reviews over the past 2 years, many saying that good lectures are leaving and the quality isn’t really there anymore.
I’m really interested in Sunway University because their programme seems very good, and they also give students the chance to take up certification in IT.
Taylor’s however offers an overseas transfer option (which I’m planning to go for), but I’ve heard that Taylor’s IT degree isn’t as recognised as Sunway’s. (not to mention, I’ve heard students at Taylor’s are very stuck up since they’re rich?)
Anyways, I just want a good degree at a good reputable university that also offers additional opportunities like competitions and certifications.

Go to a good university first. Don't get too caught up on all the certification marketing talk. When you work - then do your required certification. That's how it works. University should just ensure that your fundamentals and core soft skills are up to speed. That's all.

should've worded it better, more collaborative partnerships (at least in IT)

http://www.apu.edu.my/our-courses/undergra...tive-industrial

as a final year APU student, i wonder where you've "heard" those "reviews" from. there are plenty of very good lecturers i've met in APU.

also, be it sunway, apu, taylor's, mmu, it isn't that significant when you seek for a job locally. i don't think any 4 of them has bad reputation on IT/CS field. If you're interested in sunway then go for sunway, unless it's NTU or Caltech you're talking about.

university certificate is just a paper, eventually you'll realise that when you go for intern, because nobody cares how perfect your cert is. It differs from professional certificate like MCTS and other specific certs.

couldn't agree more with "University should just ensure that your fundamentals and core soft skills are up to speed", and the speed is rather minimal speed, how should you accelerate it is best to discover it yourself.

This post has been edited by lolzcalvin: Feb 12 2018, 06:06 PM

hmmm, maybe i does not have statistics and stuff as mentioned from you.

based on your criteria for the competition, i bet the competition you mentioned is e-genting programming competition which consists of the programming and bug hunt competition.
maybe* in the past, when i was first joined the university of MMU, their reputation across competition was quite high compare to recently (and i don't really care tbh)

however, i solely believe that, most of my friends which have graduated from MMU (bachelor in IT or computer science) have been employed within 6 months after graduation.

*UM is always among the top university in providing IT courses since years ago (however, take note that it is a government university and required STPM in order to enter the university)
*UM, IT relevant courses required a 4 year studies instead of 3

i wouldn't say 4 years of IT courses is entirely bad for your career path in IT, but from what i've been observing,
whether you have completed your IT courses for 3 or 4 years, your 'fresh grad' salary will not changed at all.

Yep. That's the one.

MMU Computing students are generally up to par because of the strong fundamentals. I know that for a fact as i know some of the lecturers who work there. Solid people. But like i said - employment within 6 months after graduation is really nothing to shout about. Unless the kids are downright born with a silver-spoon or damn lazy, most would get employed straight away. The trick is the question - how many are employed within their respective fields at a higher than normal rate due to their potential.

And to answer this - should've worded it better, more collaborative partnerships (at least in IT)

http://www.apu.edu.my/our-courses/undergra...tive-industrial

I am actually quite familiar with most of the so-called partnership, some of which are no longer applicable. It's all just gimmicks with the exception of 1 or 2. Do you know how easy it is to get those partnerships? It's get and don't do anything with it. I am familiar with the MyUnAlliance initiatives as well as the partnership with MDEC which actually they partner anyone who is willing to. Microsoft Academic Partner is a free thing. And so on...

true. i wouldn't be debating which university is good or bad in terms of reputation,
but my sincere advise, please don't joined any 'non-reputable' university (those weird college/university which does not have MQA certify <most of it are located on shoplots>)

without a doubt, any 'okay' university students are able to secure their job in 'quite relevant' to IT industry.

APU

Does anyone have anything to say about Sunway's quality? Just passing by.
Also happy CNY!

Does anyone have anything to say about Sunway's quality? Just passing by.
Also happy CNY!