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post Oct 6 2012, 10:55 AM

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Hello I'll be having my IMU interview in 3 weeks' time.

May I ask do most students get within their top 3 choices of PMS? If you do well academically and in your ECAs, will you be able to secure one of the top 3 choices? Someone in this forum said that EACH school takes some weak and some strong students - I do not think this is true, because if you are strong, you get ranked higher, and therefore, if all strong students apply to the more 'sought-after' or reputable schools as their top 3 chocies, they will in fact attain what they want! My top 3 choices are Edin, Glasgow, and Dundee in order of preference. I understand that some 'A' students may not get their choice, probably because their personal statement does not contain enough volunteer work, etc.
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post Oct 6 2012, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Oct 6 2012, 11:06 AM)
It is a mix of top and weaker students to give a balance to the partners. You may not even get uk and get sent to other countries. That's the risk in IMU.
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I am actually an Aussie citizen, so I don't think I will be matched to the Aussie schools, and Thomas J in US doesn't take international students, only M'sians. Therefore I will have all UK schools, one Ireland (Galway) and Canada (Dalhousie). I would prefer to study and live in the UK, therefore the UK schools will make up my top 14 choices. Hence I don't see any problem getting one of the top 14! biggrin.gif However, must I still list Aussie schools as part of the process, or will I have to simply ignore them and list the 16 schools that are left?


Added on October 6, 2012, 3:00 pmAlso, does anyone know why U of Manchester is so popular among IMU-PMS students?

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post Oct 8 2012, 12:02 PM

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For the PMS programme: If I work reasonably hard, will I be able to get into a UK uni if I list all 14 UK unis first? Sorry if it sounds like a silly question.
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post Oct 8 2012, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Oct 8 2012, 12:39 PM)
time has changed.....there was a time not too long ago, when people are desparately trying to get aussie pms.....now it is uk ones....

there is no guarantee.....but if you are in the upper 1/2 of the cohort, you almost certainly will get one of the 14 uk pms you list as the top 14 in the matching ranking.....

at least there are 14, and the majority of pms slots.....the aussie places are very few now....and with the strength of the aud, and the possibility of not getting a houseman job at graduation, i suspect oz is not popular at all now.....i know at least one student trying to change a match to unsw to a uk uni.....an unheard of thing in the past....
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I am an Aussie citizen, so I cannot apply for Aus or NZ unis. Therefore, I am only able to apply for 14 UK unis and 1 Irish and 1 Canadian unis. So, I think my chances should be quite high, if I list all 14 first?
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post Oct 8 2012, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Oct 8 2012, 02:11 PM)
in which case, you are

1: guaranteed NOT to get a match to oz/nz....(nz will be out by your time)...

2: almost guaranteed to get a uk match, as there are few places in ireland/canada.....
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YAY ! biggrin.gif rclxm9.gif
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post Oct 9 2012, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Oct 8 2012, 11:18 PM)
have you thought about what happens after you graduate....since you are an aussie citizen?....uk degrees are not automatically recognised in oz....
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Well I hope to do my foundation programme there, and do my specialty thereafter - will take about 13 years in total including first 5.5 years in the bachelor's degree! And who told you UK degrees can't be recognised here. It has been reported that Aus are looking avidly for UK doctors BECAUSE their degrees are recognised. Australia are partners with the UK fyi. There has been a lot of exchange between the two countries, in terms of doctors moving down from the UK, and doctors moving up to the UK to work.
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post Oct 9 2012, 11:40 AM

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Well.... whatever the case is, I always have dreamt of doing my training in UK, because it is world-class. Life is only given once - we must seek the best smile.gif I'm not disparaging Australia, but given parental and their financial support (at least for the MBBS alone), I would rather go there. Plus, I want to experience living in the UK for some time. If you're clever, you can always pass the tests to be registered by your own country again. I know you will say that there is a shortage of jobs for international students, but I will somehow find my way around. It's only 5 years from now before I graduate - hard to say too much. I'm more a British at heart than Australian, anyway. (sorry australians)
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post Oct 22 2012, 03:22 PM

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I've just had my IMU interview. I applied for the PMS programme. Initially when I rang up to confirm, one of the staff told me that I will definitely be matched to one of the PMS. However, when I asked the interviewers today, they said that those who perform poorly or do not meet the partner schools' requirements will have to stay in M'sia for the next 2.5 years. I am doing a Bachelor of Science currently, and my average is around 85.5% for all units - if I maintain this standard, it shouldn't be a problem for me to enter a PMS right? I need to confirm this, because I don't want to be 'tricked'!
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post Oct 22 2012, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Oct 22 2012, 04:36 PM)
All I can say for sure is that the staff who gave you that "guarantee" was very irresponsible. The interviewers are right. Plus, nobody can give you a guarantee of being matched to a PMS.
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I understand that, but if you work hard and meet the requirements, you can get a PMS right? I don't see why I'm not able to since I have scored very well in my Science degree, and every year many IMU students who get only a B average get a PMS.
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post Oct 22 2012, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Oct 22 2012, 05:27 PM)
once you are accepted into a pms programme (either the undergraduate or graduate entry), you WILL get a match....IF you pass ALL the tests, exams, assessments.....they will NOT prevent you from a match.....

if you fail some, you may need to repeat some exams, repeat semester(s).....and may be excluded from matching to some unis (which requires a clear pass all the way)...or may be asked to downgrade into the local programme....or be asked to leave the programme completely....

so the trick is to stay ahead of the pack....note that on average, 20-30% of a cohort will fail and drop from the cohort.....usually at eos2.....
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So you think I should be daring to accept the offer if given one? I'm clearly a very hard worker - I got a TER of 98.9%, and my BSc is currently averaging on 85.5%. I don't want to go for this PMS programme (I'm from Australia) just to end up in M'sia in the end! Anyway, like I said, from people I have contacted, most people with even a B average get a PMS, isn't that so?
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post Oct 22 2012, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Oct 22 2012, 07:42 PM)
If you are aiming for UK med schools, why not apply directly, instead of going the IMU-PMS route? I know of a student who did a semester in IMU and then left upon getting a place in the UK.
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Because I didn't do extremely well in my sciences for a levels.. only got 70+
And, if I want to go for the graduate entry, I would need honours, which I will have to take another year to do, and moreover sit the UKCAT or GAMSAT .... therefore the admissions process may not be as simple as IMU's. GIven the competition as well, it is tormenting for me to wait another year. Moreover, many reputable graduate-entry schools do not take in international students.


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QUOTE(limeuu @ Oct 22 2012, 07:05 PM)
'from australia' i suppose means you are either an aussie citizen or pr....which means you CANNOT match to oz....which also means you have failed to get direct entry into oz undergraduate med school.....

if the intention is to go back to work in oz, it will not be smooth sailing, but not impossible.....if you get stuck in imu, you can still sit for the amc qualifying exam.....to uk, you can use the competent authority pathway....you cannot match to canada or us, as you are not msian.....
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Yes I am Aus citizen. Correct - I failed to get into undergrad med school here because I did not do well in the UMAT even though I attained a TER of 98.9. I believe I will not get stuck in IMU because I am very able academically, and will attain a place in one of the partner schools. It's only that I am not good at "IQ" tests such as the UMAT, even though some may not say it is difficult or it tests your IQ. I hope to work in the UK in the future. If I want to come back to Aus, I know that there is a process I have to go through, but as I am a citizen, and it won't be a problem.

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post Oct 22 2012, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Oct 22 2012, 08:09 PM)
So you did A levels AND australian high school exam (98.9)? When will you know about your IMU application? Best of luck!
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No - that's impossible! I only did the tertiary entrance exam - I just called it "A-levels" to facilitate understanding among the chat members. The interviewers asked me to check my offer in 2-3 weeks' time. Thank you. It sounds all so intimidating when all the bad news about this IMU course goes around such as not being able to get into a PMS, but given the type and no. of people who have made it, I would like to stay optimistic.


Added on October 22, 2012, 8:17 pm
QUOTE(limeuu @ Oct 22 2012, 08:15 PM)
if you are referring to the uk a levels, there is no such result as '70+'....it's given in band grades from a* to e.....
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Oh sorry - as I said I used the term "a levels" so everyone can relate more easily. I didn't know it was graded that way.

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post Oct 22 2012, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Oct 22 2012, 08:23 PM)
Which AUS state are you in? Thought the TER final marks are scaled, and not usually expressed as percentile? Correct me if I'm wrong. You could have applied for a direct entry, and there are some med schools which are not UKCAT-heavy. ANyway you've now gone the IMU pathway.
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Yes, I got a TER (Tertiary entrance rank) of 98.9 meaning my average of my 4 highest-scoring subjects was around 80 plus, which qualified me to be within the top 1.5 percent of the state. I'm in WA. I would love to apply for direct entry - it's just that I have no one to talk to and advise me about this. There are so many choices, such as Aussie schools right at my door step, which I can't even enter, such that I didn't bother thinking about applying overseas. I know the competition is crazy also, so what's the point. IMO the UKCAT is 10 times easier than the UMAT - I just haven't done it yet, but I've seen sample questions and taken a look at practice books. I really wish I can do direct entry, but I'm getting older and what if I don't get in again?!?! Waiting too long is crazy. Anyway, I'll try IMU, but meanwhile I'm also waiting for my Aussie graduate-entry school offers to be released.


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QUOTE(limeuu @ Oct 22 2012, 08:41 PM)
the umat/isat/ukcat/bmat are NOT iq tests....they are tests of logical and critical thinking, and of thinking speed....many high iq/academically excellent people do badly in this sort of tests....and it is exactly this, that the med schools want...to select out those with strong critical thinking skills from amongst the thousands of 'high iq' applicants.....


Added on October 22, 2012, 8:43 pm
you have not done that at all, just confused people more....

what 'tertiary entrance exam' are you referring to?......


Added on October 22, 2012, 8:47 pm
you are mistaken.....

as a non-eu citizen, there poses considerable problems with staying on in uk beyond the fy.....

and even for an aussie citizen, the process is the same as anyone else with a degree not recognised by amc....being a citizen makes no difference, other than you have the right to enter and stay in oz anytime.....
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I'm being kind for one, not confusing anyone. In all australian states the 'a-levels' are named differently. In WA it is called TEE. You may think that there are problems staying after FY but UK-school graduates are entitled similar competition to the locals in regards to specialty training posts - please be clear on this. Like I said if you are in need in a country short of doctors, and you have the brains to be a doctor, passing a simple exam or a process is not a problem.

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post Dec 15 2012, 06:32 AM

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Finally got into medicine at IMU!!! Called yesterday to confirm. The lady said YES. I'll receive my confirmation letter next week she said. For students starting in August and who want to go to UK where most schools start in Sep, will we be the earlier lot (as compared to the Feb intake in the following year) to be considered for UK places in Sep? How about those wanting to go to Aberdeen and Nottingham which start around Feb?


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QUOTE(aong @ Dec 15 2012, 06:32 AM)
Finally got into medicine at IMU!!! Called yesterday to confirm. The lady said YES. I'll receive my confirmation letter next week she said. For students starting in August and who want to go to UK where most schools start in Sep, will we be the earlier lot (as compared to the Feb intake in the following year) to be considered for UK places in Sep? How about those wanting to go to Aberdeen and Nottingham which start around Feb?
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Oh sorry just to add I'm in the August lot next year ie M2/13.

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post Dec 15 2012, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 15 2012, 08:42 AM)
m2/13 will have a 9 month gap before starting in uk in sept....together with m1/14 students....

being in the earlier batch will NOT increase your chances of getting any particular uni...every batch have allocated places....

for nottingham (jan) and aberdeen (april), you will have less gap, and will be one year ahead of your cohort entering in september...joining people from m1/13.....the other option is warwick (december), but you need to be in the imu-pmr graduate entry stream....
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Aberdeen is the among my top choices. Of course selection is done by the schools themselves, but if I want to go to Edinburgh, Glasgow, or Dundee (my top 3 choices), what do you think matters, personally? Do you think it is wise to wait till September or proceed straight to Aberdeen? Does one year make a lot of difference? I need to think hard about this when listing my preferences. I might be ok with listing Aberdeen first, as it is a top medical school and I won't have to wait that long, and I also get to finish one year earlier than the rest.
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post Dec 15 2012, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 15 2012, 10:39 AM)
it is premature to think about this, you have 2 1/2 years to go before matching, in fact, it's 3 years, as you only do matching end on 2015....things will change....

just list your preferences, most people will not get their 1st choice.....and just go where ever you are matched....

this is the BIGGEST problem with the imu-pms programme...people do NOT know where they will end up, till the last moment...the uncertainty is unsettling....difficult to make financial planning...
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Yes, my preferences can change by the end of 2015. If I do well, I should get at least within my top 8 choices. So, I'm also prepared to wait till September, since all my top choices are all the 14 uk schools, then only followed by the rest.
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post Dec 19 2012, 12:09 PM

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Does anyone know how to get or have a list of the books we need to get for the first 5 semesters for Medicine?
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post Dec 19 2012, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(irisss @ Dec 19 2012, 03:58 PM)
Hi,aong
Did you do your interview via Skype?
What questions did they ask you?
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Hello Irisss, I sent you an email. All the best!
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post Dec 24 2012, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(irisss @ Dec 24 2012, 05:02 PM)
Yeah.i found out that one is doing neurosurgery and one is doing surgery now.
I want to practice in US in future,but the md pathway seems a bit risky
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I've heard my grandmother's friend's son whoe graduated from Jefferson is practising in the US now! biggrin.gif
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post May 16 2013, 08:25 PM

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I'm an international student (from Singapore/Australia) beginning the phase one of the medicine twinning programme in Feb 2014. Is it important to have a good grasp of the Malay language for phase one? Being Singaporean I did not have a chance to learn Malay (I learnt Mandarin as a second language, first being English) except to know several common words. I know that for the first few semesters teaching is mainly in the university, but what concerns me is having to converse with patients and doctors, or having to read Malay in the hospitals especially in the last semester before we transfer overseas. Anyhow, I am very good at languages, and I don't think I'll have problem learning a substantial amount of it fast. My father and grandmother are also very fluent in Malay, so I can learn from them.

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