What is marieb? Is there a lot of lecture notes?

Wow, that bad? So all of them had to sit for supplementary? Uh-oh, how do I avoid that from happening to me?

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Added on February 3, 2009, 10:26 amSo can just read up on all of these from just any book right? It doesn't matter?

Is it hard to pass?

This post has been edited by DireAnguish5678: Feb 3 2009, 10:26 AM

I read about a group learning sign language as their COP. Is there any specific criteria for the project, and is it hard?

omg is it too late to ask how was eos3? is EMQ a killer? did they have a lot of bs stations in osce?

it was? what were the questions? do you remember? Cause I heard of this one station where they ask you to do all the systems but just in the hands. And the questions that they ask when you do it, where do you study it from? Like when they ask diff betw PAD and PVD or the 5 stages etc.

For PE you have to report what you see on the actual patient, and then answer the given question saying but in this case, the patient will have e.g. shifting dullness etc izzt?

okay, so Coarctation of aorta means just palpate both radial and femoral pulse concurrently to indicate radiofemoral delay and weaker pulse in femoral pulse compared to right arm, i guess. and then maybe the xray findings would indicate that ribs were implicated as a result of collateral circulation into internal thoracic, superior and posterior intercostal arteries.

in eos 3 is only up to GIT so they won't include palpation of kidney right? so there won't be questions about difference between enlargement of spleen and enlargement of kidney like Castell's sign or Traube's space?

in PE for mitral regurg, how do we demonstrate differentiation between s1 and s2? i heard about this question.

Oh, that university with the 2-hour teaching, the anatomy by system instead of by region, no plastinated models, and vietnamese or bangladeshi lecturers? Hmm. . . let's see, the latest intake there's about 220 students and after about 20 people leave at the end of each exam that's about, oh gosh i don't know if there'll be any left

Yeah, i mean we have to really make sure we know through and through all the lecture notes, and then there's all the mms flms, and the pbls. And even then there's no guarantee that you'll pass.

Dr. Vera said that there's recent upgrades. Well, that's the word he used. He just said that now for each pharmacological agent must know all the modes of action, all the indications and contraindications, and all the toxicities, in which nausea and vomiting which are vague will no longer be accepted as precise answers. And describing nerve supply for particular given organ is moved from eos 5 level question to eos 3.

He even said that IMU is considering abolishment of lectures. "You guys are lucky that for AIR you only have to do a summary instead of comprehensive appraisal, and we're even thinking of discontinuing lectures, just have e-lectures, and then come and only ask and answer questions, so now us lecturers are in no mood to give lectures anymore"

I just think that potential students or applicants deserve to know what they're getting into, so I don't think it's defamation.

This post has been edited by DireAnguish5678: Feb 28 2010, 12:17 AM

The reason people complain about the fees is the facilities, which are the absence of classrooms, only lecture theatres and small group rooms that look like they could have been store rooms since they don't have LCD projectors / clearly not comparable to the learning suites in Monash fully equipped with X-Ray panels and patient bed. Also, lecturers from vietnam sri lanka etc. there just for the sake of having foreign lecturers to make it 'international' medical university.

Whether or not msians are used to spoonfeeding, I don't know and won't judge since I am not informed of the study patterns and methods practiced by msian students. Spoonfeeding may or may not be the only thing msian students are used to / able to take. Msian students also may or may not have problems with independent and self-directed learning.There are also a variety of ways to get students to be resourceful. Active learning can still be achieved with given/arranged sessions with lecturers as guides. Learning is through experiences, not just 'independently' mugging up reference books.

tutorials and practicals practiced in oz unis are good things to be implemented. Worksheets with questions and detailed learning objectives are given prior to the practical session, and during the practical session, students present their answers with clinical relevance aided by the given plastinated models. Hence, this is not spoonfeeding. So, not spoonfeeding is fine, provided that there is implementation of substitutes such as these kinds of tutorials and practicals carried out by oz unis. You can learn by making mistakes. In fact, this is one of the best ways of learning. The student when corrected during a presentation in the practical session will be able to learn from his or her mistake. The more opportunities for students to make mistakes (or in this case, to have tutorials and practicals) the more the students can learn. This learning is more interactive and more effective. oz unis also implement formative assessment, which is another opportunity for students to practice on what they have learnt, make mistakes, and learn even more.

msian students do not necessarily advocate didactical way. What they are definitely looking for is quality education, which might lie in many different types of modes of delivery or models of learning.

So, not only do students need to have a basic structure or guideline on which a topic should be built upon in order to have direction in learning, they need to be able to ask questions, and then be able to make mistakes, and finally repetition in learning for reinforcement of concepts for effective learning. Repetition (such as identifying one's weakness when realising he or she makes similar mistakes several times -- this essentially is practice, like in math or when practicing piano) can be done on their own, but the rest not necessarily, and those are the steps that should come first.

I totally agree, a single lecturer who is probably already busy doing research for the uni also is spread between nursing, bpharm, chiro, medicine etc. There's lectures to prepare, mms sessions, facilitating pbls, preparing and marking air topics etc. They were so overcome with greed that they bit off more than they could chew. Just because there was a library and a few labs they wanted to make sure that as many people use them as possible, and get every single cent they can from innocent unknowing pre-u graduates. Could this be why they are relying on part-timers since no one would willingly full time a job like this in a place like this permanently? It would also explain all the foreign workers there.

I think that maybe the moral of the story is, always go for direct entry overseas.

You know, redoing year 12 is just icing on the cake compared to an undergraduate degree, especially pharmacy. If I were you I would be very pleased with what my dad said.

Are you sure you can't go for direct entry overseas? If you haven't applied, please do, because if a student does not have excellent marks, he or she might not be able to twin overseas, and then be stuck here omg! So yeah, if you straight away go there, then even though it's more expensive, you're probably spending just a little more than you probably would be with imu (still so expensive!) plus the better facilities, lecturers, environment etc.

Well, MPharm and BPharm are both pharmacy courses, and you must know that of course as a pharmacy student you will have to do full lab practicals. One lab takes at least 3 hours. So, you can imagine how fleeting the hours of your day will be.

I read a post here somewhere about the performance of pharmacy students for MPharm, but I couldn't find back the link, sorry. But I can tell you that for BPharm, the students have to prepare elaborate presentations every week (it's called PBL) and their final marks are partly from there. I do know that a lot of people say that it's very hard to score even Bs at any course in IMU. You need to choose yourself a uni that will give you better chances of getting first class honours. When I look at all those students so hardworking studying from 0730 to 2200 but still just passing, I really wonder how depressing it must feel.

I cant tell you what to do with your life, but I do want you to live a happy life, cause everyone deserves it.

You don't want a heavy burden for your parents? In that case just take whatever course a local public u is willing to offer you. I think you're a great person for wanting to put your parents first, and i'm sure after you graduate from a local public u and start working, you can earn enough money to not only take care of yourself, siblings, and parents, but also pursue your interests in your life.

but I just told you how hard it is to score an A at imu -- you'd want to get a firstclass degree don't you? You seriously want to study there? Did you not read the other person's post about how packed the photocopy shop always is?

i had a friend who came back from the imu open day saying that the lecturer "can't even speak english!". Yeah, ask imu students about Prof Kyan Aung.

There must be a university that you can get into in Australia -- there are so many to choose from! Trust me, direct entry is worth it.

Actually, now that you mentioned that, she might just be perfect for imu.

This post has been edited by DireAnguish5678: Mar 15 2010, 07:13 PM

WTF?!? Sem 4 break for what want to camp out in library? Last chance to enjoy before the torture of sem5! Hey I was hoping that since there's no topic about Community Health Survey, Selectives, and Integrated Medical Seminars, maybe someone would like to share their experiences?

So, since 4 failed theory and failed osce, they have to resit and miss the matching? Also, how many is there left in your batches anyway monkeygirl and Cristiano-Ronaldo-7?

So, monkeygirl, I guess if your batch has went down to 200 students already, then you can safely say that there won't be anymore eliminations/failures, well not many at least, right?

for eos 5 you just have to worry about making a pass right? i mean the ranking for the matching was based on your eos3 results right? oh and by the way, what do you suggest for people who want to be matched to the university of their choice? i mean, i hear about all these earnest kids who are so determined about going to like adelaide or nsw, and then later it's sad to see their dissappointment as if their dreams were crushed. I hear a lot about how imu students are like must get A or the highest possible just to hope for a chance to get a university within their choices. It's ironic cause i read somewhere that how you fare academically in medicine is not a measure of how good a doctor you are. I mean, I get it, it's a dog eat dog world we live in, but to rank everyone is basically turning students against each other.

oh, and would someone like to explain to the many prospective imu students about the format of eos, like say eos 5?

omF congrats! or was it not you? but yeah, i mean maybe like it's the duty of the current imu students to inform and warn unsuspecting bystanders about the 500K lottery that sucks everyone in. Okay, maybe it's not 500K, maybe it's more I dunno.

so would it be correct to say that if your batch has went down to 200 students already, then you can safely say that there won't be anymore eliminations/failures, well not many at least, right?

is it true that you will fail unless you memorise all the lecture notes? How do you get an A? And if someone just wants to pass, how do they do that? Isn't it hard just to pass?

I heard that in Monash they have distinction and all that, but they raise the passing mark according to student performance in formatives, so its not A, B or C, it's just pass or borderline pass etc.

I think someone here mentioned that you just have to make sure you're not in the bottom 20% of your batch, but then who the hell are those people anyway? You can't really know everyone's results, so what are those people at the top doing right? That is, if they're human . . .

This post has been edited by DireAnguish5678: Jun 30 2010, 04:38 PM

omF, i think even consistently studying everyday won't be able to memorise the notes. i don't know how you're able to memorise all your notes. I think it's really great that we finally have actual students from imu stating that prospective students should not think that they well get the uni they want. I can't believe that all this is going on in imu, the system seems pretty rigged. Maybe once students stop flocking in, they'll finally adopt a more transparent and honest approach. I feel bad for all of you who spend so much money. At least you can become a doctor and live your dream, i think?

Only EOS 3. You have to pass OSCE. If you had to resit OSCE then that will affect your matching. You want to go aus or what?

How do you know that they're academically unworthy? I totally believe you when you say that they're unethical, but so far i've not been able to find anyone who doesn't study or anything like that. I can't believe that there're students talking big like that, omg who do they think they are? Those really smart top scorers always behave so humble and politely, why can't everyone be like that?