Yeah, i mean we have to really make sure we know through and through all the lecture notes, and then there's all the mms flms, and the pbls. And even then there's no guarantee that you'll pass.

Dr. Vera said that there's recent upgrades. Well, that's the word he used. He just said that now for each pharmacological agent must know all the modes of action, all the indications and contraindications, and all the toxicities, in which nausea and vomiting which are vague will no longer be accepted as precise answers. And describing nerve supply for particular given organ is moved from eos 5 level question to eos 3.

He even said that IMU is considering abolishment of lectures. "You guys are lucky that for AIR you only have to do a summary instead of comprehensive appraisal, and we're even thinking of discontinuing lectures, just have e-lectures, and then come and only ask and answer questions, so now us lecturers are in no mood to give lectures anymore"

I just think that potential students or applicants deserve to know what they're getting into, so I don't think it's defamation.

This post has been edited by DireAnguish5678: Feb 28 2010, 12:17 AM

on one hand, that would seem like an excellent way of getting people to be independent and resourceful.....

on the other hand, people will complain why they are paying so much fees for so little..........

fyi, it's the standard way for many oecd unis, not the spoonfeeding msians are used to......

eg, contact hours (lectures and tutorials/practicals) per subject in oz unis is 3-5 hrs/week only, if you take the standard 4 subjects per sem, that's 12-20hr/week.........tutorials are important, you get marks for attending, and can be refused sitting for final exams if you do not attend the minimum of tutorials.........

lectures are not..........nobody cares whether you attend or not, many do not..........it can be so boring, people just sleep in lectures.........

the didactical way must stop........and dialectic way adopted.........(google if you don't understand what these terms means)......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 27 2010, 01:46 AM

The reason people complain about the fees is the facilities, which are the absence of classrooms, only lecture theatres and small group rooms that look like they could have been store rooms since they don't have LCD projectors / clearly not comparable to the learning suites in Monash fully equipped with X-Ray panels and patient bed. Also, lecturers from vietnam sri lanka etc. there just for the sake of having foreign lecturers to make it 'international' medical university.

Whether or not msians are used to spoonfeeding, I don't know and won't judge since I am not informed of the study patterns and methods practiced by msian students. Spoonfeeding may or may not be the only thing msian students are used to / able to take. Msian students also may or may not have problems with independent and self-directed learning.There are also a variety of ways to get students to be resourceful. Active learning can still be achieved with given/arranged sessions with lecturers as guides. Learning is through experiences, not just 'independently' mugging up reference books.

tutorials and practicals practiced in oz unis are good things to be implemented. Worksheets with questions and detailed learning objectives are given prior to the practical session, and during the practical session, students present their answers with clinical relevance aided by the given plastinated models. Hence, this is not spoonfeeding. So, not spoonfeeding is fine, provided that there is implementation of substitutes such as these kinds of tutorials and practicals carried out by oz unis. You can learn by making mistakes. In fact, this is one of the best ways of learning. The student when corrected during a presentation in the practical session will be able to learn from his or her mistake. The more opportunities for students to make mistakes (or in this case, to have tutorials and practicals) the more the students can learn. This learning is more interactive and more effective. oz unis also implement formative assessment, which is another opportunity for students to practice on what they have learnt, make mistakes, and learn even more.

msian students do not necessarily advocate didactical way. What they are definitely looking for is quality education, which might lie in many different types of modes of delivery or models of learning.

So, not only do students need to have a basic structure or guideline on which a topic should be built upon in order to have direction in learning, they need to be able to ask questions, and then be able to make mistakes, and finally repetition in learning for reinforcement of concepts for effective learning. Repetition (such as identifying one's weakness when realising he or she makes similar mistakes several times -- this essentially is practice, like in math or when practicing piano) can be done on their own, but the rest not necessarily, and those are the steps that should come first.

hi everyone..may i ask, do i need to take both IELTS and MUET in order to apply for Bpharm at imu?

ur reply is appreaciated..thanks....

hey guys urgent! any of u guys know a place i can rent either in vista b or c? thx

What is the tuition fees for medicine right now ? the one that do locally.
If I'm having financial problem , is there any thing that I could take ? such as grants ,or perhaps loans , PTPTN ?
I'm a STPM leaver , CGPA 3.58 only though.

Thx

This post has been edited by joscmh90: Mar 1 2010, 11:37 PM

the answer to all your questions are in the imu website...........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Mar 2 2010, 12:08 AM

doesn't seem to be able to enter their website though.

yea..me too.. cant get into the website..

looks like the site is down..........

phase 1 fees about rm30k/sem.......

from me2/10 (aug intake), it will be raised to rm35k (whereas phase 2 at seremban will drop from rm40k to also 35k)........

you do not need ielts for bpharm(imu).......but if you take the twinning mpharm option, you will need both.......

i called to imu and asked edi..
she says Bpharm locally need IELTS too... T____________T

and IELTS isnt an easy Exam,that's head breaking.

ielts is not hard or easy........it is a standardised assessment of a person's competency in english........there is no 'pass' or 'fail', but a band grade from 1 to 9........your 'pass' mark depends on the requirements of the body requesting the test, be it education, or migration.........

if you find it 'hard' to meet imu's requirements, then you are actually weak in english, and you either improve it, or find another course that does not require high level of english usage........

kidneys is included in the CSU video, but during practice we never bothered. but the enlargement question did come out for my batch. like where would the spleen enlarge towards.


@gorilla. yeah our batch is freaking competitive. i'm a big time slacker and like monkeygirl before exams is really important.

i highly doubt they'll be kicking more students out. we're currently at 218 i think. but thats before factoring in any more students that dropped out. most other batches in sem 4 are roughly 19X students. we're 20+ than most batches and thats why i think we have more and more universities opening up. and i honestly think that due to the performance of our batch, the deans of imu would beg for the pms's to have more seats during twinning.

i honestly think the elearning system would be a good thing especially for lectures. but one thing i feel is that we actually should do more work on the air topics. would help alot of if more marks were given as well. like imu isnt based on units per semester. we just follow the curriculum!

does anyone feel imu is squeezing the living daylights out of everyone? when i first entered imu it was wayyy to empty. now it feels like everywhere i turn theres a bunch of people eating, studying, playing games or sleeping the photocopy shop as well, i used to be able to go in get lecture notes and rush up, but now theres ALWAYS A LINE. the auntie at the shop should really get things organized there.

+ the carpark is always full nowadays. imu increased the number of courses but forgot to see if their facilities are enough for everyone.
they should open another smaller photocopy shop. shouldn't be too hard right? just get 2 more machines and set it up in an empty room then place one person to operate and collect money.

IMU is going to introduce E-learning, but they dont have tutorial(as in small group of Q&A session with lecturer). Other med school has it, and lectures too... I think they're trying to squeezing the lime out of the lecturers... Medical lecturer will teach Chiro, nursing students as well... And the number lecturer is decreasing, IMU didnt replace all the lecturers that have left. By using E-learning, it means that information will get out-dated very fast, as human tend to slack when there is no obligation to teach. And students paying expensive tuition fees for a video clip that'll soon beflooding Youtube etc, etc...

IMO, IMU is facing financial crisis now... Start too many courses, invest too much on it, and neglected medical faculty (which is their main attraction). Even now they have changed their fees collection system so that money can continuously flow in, not in bulk where they'll tend to overspend. Having said that, the new system is good for all parties, parents dont have to dig out huge sum of money in short period of time.

This post has been edited by Gorila_: Mar 4 2010, 11:19 AM

I totally agree, a single lecturer who is probably already busy doing research for the uni also is spread between nursing, bpharm, chiro, medicine etc. There's lectures to prepare, mms sessions, facilitating pbls, preparing and marking air topics etc. They were so overcome with greed that they bit off more than they could chew. Just because there was a library and a few labs they wanted to make sure that as many people use them as possible, and get every single cent they can from innocent unknowing pre-u graduates. Could this be why they are relying on part-timers since no one would willingly full time a job like this in a place like this permanently? It would also explain all the foreign workers there.

I think that maybe the moral of the story is, always go for direct entry overseas.

hey there...NEED HELP here...
i juz got my offer letter from IMU for da local 4+0 BPHARM course....
any advice from seniors bout dis course???
i been thru da outline n it seems tougher compared to the Mpharm...
shud i change my course to da Mpharm???

hope to get ur reply asap...im seriously confused n in need....coz my dad say if i still cant decide, he might juz send me to aust n redo my YEAR 12 aka AUSMAT...

You know, redoing year 12 is just icing on the cake compared to an undergraduate degree, especially pharmacy. If I were you I would be very pleased with what my dad said.

Are you sure you can't go for direct entry overseas? If you haven't applied, please do, because if a student does not have excellent marks, he or she might not be able to twin overseas, and then be stuck here omg! So yeah, if you straight away go there, then even though it's more expensive, you're probably spending just a little more than you probably would be with imu (still so expensive!) plus the better facilities, lecturers, environment etc.

Well, MPharm and BPharm are both pharmacy courses, and you must know that of course as a pharmacy student you will have to do full lab practicals. One lab takes at least 3 hours. So, you can imagine how fleeting the hours of your day will be.

I read a post here somewhere about the performance of pharmacy students for MPharm, but I couldn't find back the link, sorry. But I can tell you that for BPharm, the students have to prepare elaborate presentations every week (it's called PBL) and their final marks are partly from there. I do know that a lot of people say that it's very hard to score even Bs at any course in IMU. You need to choose yourself a uni that will give you better chances of getting first class honours. When I look at all those students so hardworking studying from 0730 to 2200 but still just passing, I really wonder how depressing it must feel.

I cant tell you what to do with your life, but I do want you to live a happy life, cause everyone deserves it.

1.looking for car park in vista komanwel b
how much is tat for first car park and second car park?

2. going to mail post express, wheres the nearest mail box from imu?

3. is there any mini market to buy dairy necessity in block c?what other facility there?