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 Best PSU For Overclocker V2, Which One Is The Best? ^^

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empire23
post Jun 24 2007, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(lohwenli @ Jun 12 2007, 06:48 PM)
Watts consumed by digital multimeter = less than 1 watt  sweat.gif

I take it you mean use the digital multimeter to check PC wattage use. Yes, its possible, set to AC current measurement, then measure the current taken by the PSU and multiply it by 230 (or if you want to be so damn accurate, measure the voltage and use that instead). Perfect accuracy can be achieved if you're using a active PFC psu and a sine wave digital multimeter, but the accuracy of a normal digital multimeter is still pretty ok with an active PFC psu. With non active PFC psu, readings might not be accurate because you have to account for the phase shift in the current, which is pretty hard to measure using easily available equipment.

PS : to measure current you'll have to cut one of the AC power wires and put the multimeter in connected to both cut ends of the cable. DO NOT ever connect the multimeter directly to Live and Neutral on AC while in Ampere (current) measurement mode, if you're lucky you'll just blow the multimeter's fuse, if not you'll see smoke coming from the multimeter.
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The multimeter's accuracy has nothing to do with PFC, because reactive current should be of secondary domain and harmonics doesn't affect a DMM's reading, reactive power should be provided by generator and not the load. Accuracy depends on whether the multimeter is RMS or Root Mean Square capable, and if your multimeter is decent i don't see why it shouldn't have any issue as long as the CPS or Counts Per Second is fine.

Anyways i don't get what you're saying about the AC mode and current measurement. If you wanna measure your power consumption, you will have get a current reading. But personally i prefer using a clamp meter based off the hall effect. Less messy ya? laugh.gif



QUOTE(mfa333 @ Jun 12 2007, 09:37 PM)
sorry for the misleading sentences. i mean calculate pc wattage use using digital multimeter.

that's sound hard. anyway, thanks for sharing the info. btw, how much the special watt meter like mr sniper's? hmm.gif
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Build a shunt and use Ohm's law in the case of individual parts. I think i posted it here somewhere. Once you know resistance of the known shunt and since you obviously know the voltage, just find the current and use the Power law to derive a wattage. If you're calculating from the AC, remember to use RMS values and not peak.

But yeah, you could break the circuit and insert the DMM and let the current flow through. But as with all handling of deadly voltages, i don't recommend it. Get a clampjaw meter.
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post Jun 26 2007, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(lohwenli @ Jun 24 2007, 03:34 PM)
Thanks for pointing that out, though I'll have to clarify a bit.

Power factor should have an effect on current readings taken with a digital multimeter. If the power factor is poor, the current (based on the apparent power) which is measured by the DMM should be higher for any given power intake by the PSU-AFAIK the PSU will only use the real power component. So for non-PFC psu, the watt reading will be higher, which will not reflect the power consumption of the PSU. Its bad enough that we don't have a decent method of measuring the PSU's real life efficiency, having the power factor further compound the problem of getting accurate power consumption readings is just  vmad.gif  (theoretically, its possible for the measurement to be as much as 2x off the actual value, assuming a power factor of 0.7 and efficiency of 75%, which are typical values for cheap PSUs)

Most affordable clampjaw meters don't have enough accuracy to measure the AC current used by a typical PC. Most PCs take up 1-2A only (even a fully loaded 1000W PSU will only take 5A at most), so a clamp meter must be able to read up to about 0.01A to be reasonably accurate to a few percent, and those are pretty expensive. If accuracy is any worse, might as well use an affordable DMM (which would have similar accuracy).

And yeah, a shunt works too, like you mentioned. But you still have to cut a cable to put it in.


Added on June 24, 2007, 3:40 pmJust remembered the key reason why I said using an active PFC PSU is important-active PFC PSUs typically have power factors of 0.99 or better, which will mean the current waveform will be sinusoidal (assuming the AC voltage is sinusoidal-not likely to be perfect sine wave, but should be ok unless your AC supply is outright shit). A sinusoidal current waveform will allow even non-RMS DMMs to give decently accurate readings (my estimate is it would be less than 30% off, which is better than most of the affordable clamp meters)
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I'm very much not really worried about PSU and PFC because it's very much universal thesedays in switching power supplies due to the requirement of the european market. And depending on place, Apparent power might be factored in as billable power and not just the bog standard Real Power as the billable power. Seeing how power companies are seeking to minimize losses and the advent of high performance powermeters with waveform analysis, i think it's possible.

a 2 voltmeter setup with a variac could also work, but then again, variacs aren't cheap. But i do favour a shunt for the simple fact that you can board it and place proper probe points instead of the circuit breaking method where you'll have let the multimeter's leads form a part of the circuit. Anyways, been using shunts for graphics card power consumption numbers, and 1 ohm to half an ohm works fine for me so far, although for the power through the moboslot, i'll just take my numbers from the PCI-SIG WPs.

 

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