tested the coffee, not too bad, and at a rental price of RM1 per month with a min RM21.6 per month for the capsules, i get myself a set at home.

now, the investment part kicks in only after that.

i was told that the the "Subscription (some call it licence)" the company will issue is 20,000 units, and max per person per name can subscribe to 10 of them and one can only invest in a maximum of 30 coffee machines, something not right here because:

a. 1 subscription you can house any number of machines up to 30 being the max under one name. then why do you need 10 subscriptions/licences?

b. was also told that every subscription you refer you can get RM800, so if you take it yourself, your subscriptions/licences will be effective RM2000 instead of RM2800 (current price now).

c. if you manage to refer/sell/take up 6 subscriptions/ licences (in addition to the one you already have), you will get yourself RM4800 + a trip to Australia for free (flight + accomodation + food for 1 pax) as reward.

d. the guaranteed return they offer:

scenario A
Subscription 1 - RM2800
Coffee Machine - RM3750 (RM750 x 5 units)
promised return = 15% pa on RM3750
Return is at least RM562.50 per annum and is distributable on quarterly basis

scenario B
Subscription 1 - RM2800
Coffee Machine - RM7500 (RM750 x 10 units)
promised return = 20% pa on RM7500
Return is at least RM1500 per annum and is distributable on quarterly basis

under all scenarios, if the company is unable to place out your invested machine, will refund to you that portion + 5%, say 5 machines RM3750 + RM187.50

but i think you lose out RM2800 for the subscription fee, which they say you can sell/transfer/assign after 1 year right?

Remark: the subscription/licence and machine investment price per unit will go up, it was RM2650 and RM699 respectively last time. and you can quit your investment too.

this is a bit too good to be true, no?

ckwong111, understand that you have invested, it's been about 7 months on now. how's the return to you? you should get your money twice already right?

but this is not a money game though. how? they didnt take money from new investors to pay to older investors. the investors are given commissions from the no. of capsules sold.

not sure. but my colleague just rented one and put in the office, so i tumpang order capsule to drink together too.

1 box is 10 capsules.

wah, do you have to register a new account just to post in this thread.

i think skl097 answered to your query. it wasn't talking about the return, it was merely saying you need to hold those machines for at least 12 months before you can transfer/sell to the others.

i think i can chip in a little here and there to enhance clarity of it.

subscription fees is also known as licence fees, it "may" appreciate (i feel like this is a gimmick), in order for you to own the machines, you must have this "licence", each licence is able to house 30 machines. and the licence is transferable. what makes this so special is that, the company will only issue 20,000 licences in total, not more than that (we don't know) if this will be true.

so you can still get the money back.
was informed that this programme is in its 8th month now. the licence was RM2600 at the beginning of the programme, now appreciates until RM2800 and they say might go up to 3k before slowing down.
was also informed that the machines price will also appreciates (it was RM650 per machine last time and then 750 and after SST will be 799).

gross returns:

15% if you invest in 5 machines + 1 licence
20% if you invest in 10 machines (or more) + 1 licence

let's do some simple math, taking current situation
licence 2800, machine 750

Scenario A (5 machines)
Licence 2,800
Machines 3,750
Total invested 6,550

gross returns 15% on machines = 562.50 per annum
effective interest = 8.59%

Scenario B (10 machines)
Licence 2,800
Machines 7,500
Total invested 10,300

gross returns 15% on machines = 1,500 per annum
effective interest = 14.56%


yeah, this is only based on a 60 capsules min. what if they consume more?? i think they should list down the performance of each machine (so investors can track).

my company recently took 2 machines and put in the pantry, i was told that they order 20 boxes monthly, i wonder whose machine is that, sure untung already like that.

not only that, also informed by arissto that they are working on making the machine to cater for making tea, soya, other healthy drinks etc. so the market share might grow (my opinion).


as above.

in addition, not sure where you guys get the RM30 per machine per month maintenance fees from.

i was told it will cost RM2 per machine per month for maintenance, so each machine will cost about 24 a year.

My take on this plan:

1. the machine was originally sold at RM1580, which i feel absurb
2. they can workout the plan to lease it at only RM1.00 with warranty and service, maintenance all in covered, so i concluded that the machine is actually very cheap to make, which renders the worry after 5 years redundant.
3. they are going on volume game because no way they can make money on the machine, they can only make money from the capsules, the more they sell, the more they make.

additional observation:
1. many of my colleagues used to buy expensive coffee (starbucks, coffee bean, san fran etc) on daily basis, like one cuppa a day, now they also slow down and start drinking on this capsule coffee (which i think the coffee is not bad too).
2. with my own observation that many have switched from handcrafted coffee to capsule coffee, coupled with the new "tea, soya, etc" series, the market for them to grow is pretty huge though.

what do you think?

i can't confirm, am only drinking it not investing in it.
machine so far 9 months never heard of any issue. if the machine became faulty, they will repair for you, that's the purpose of the warranty right.

not sure about the request of change of customer, but since there is a minimum purchase target already, why bother, anything more than that is a bonus for you.

the RM1, is rental, nothing to do with the price of the machine, why mix them together?

why can't you calculate the cash outlay base on your requirements and available funds to invest?

despite illustrated multiple times in several posts here in this thread already.

maybe those who have invested can shed more lights?

you seem like very interested mah. the returns are slightly better than others. so guess ok 1.

but it's about the capital protection.

if you are interested, i can get someone to talk to you to clear your doubts? the one who serviced us.

haha, why not those who have vested interest please do so?

same, mine is about 1/3 of the normal commission supposedly only.