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icemanfx
post Mar 6 2018, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 23 2018, 03:34 PM)
the subscription fees of RM 2650 is non refundable right
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QUOTE(ckwong111 @ Mar 5 2018, 01:35 AM)
Yes bro, I did. Hope I made a good investment. The sales guy told me because business is good or it could be a marketing tactic  hmm.gif

The agreement states I am getting dividend in 3 months or money back guarantee and some interest, so I got nothing to lose (I hope)...
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rm2650 is nothing? it sounds like a money game or scam.

The "certificate" has no company name, address, etc is not a legally binding piece of paper and is as good as a flyer.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Mar 6 2018, 03:12 PM
icemanfx
post Jul 3 2018, 04:08 AM

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QUOTE(Michelle Arissto @ Jul 1 2018, 11:49 PM)
I'm invested a small amount in FX united 2 years ago.
Just sharing info that I hv.Actually I'm not enroll anyone in FX.
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How much did you make since 2 years ago? Four time your investment?
icemanfx
post Jul 5 2018, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(coffee8855 @ Jul 5 2018, 04:17 PM)
the subscription fees can sell after 1 year. After 1 year,We can sell at market price will be more than the price when we purchase
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Subscription fees could appreciate?
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post Jul 6 2018, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(coffee8855 @ Jul 6 2018, 12:11 PM)
Yyes. is like investment/share
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Subscription is not limited in number, coffee beans/powder is not unique, demand is unlikely popular, subscription price rise is unilateral. It is a scam or mlm by any other means.

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post Aug 25 2018, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(skl097 @ Aug 24 2018, 03:08 PM)
no breakdown. no detail. only total sales amount. cant see capsule sales for each day. you can will receive ur profit statement every quarter.

the return exclude is 17.5% mean include license fee then the return will be lower. all depend on how many machine u invest. i invested 10 machine around 10k(include license fee) so mean around 7-8years i can get back all amount i invested.
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How long can the machine last? Likely to breakdown and need to write off before you could fully recover your investment.
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post Aug 25 2018, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(skl097 @ Aug 25 2018, 10:22 PM)
actually inside the term had mention that the company will provide free service and warranty for 5 years forall the machine u invested. so mean in this 5 years u are worry free.

i think few days ago got 1 brother mention that after 5 year, RM30 each machine for annual maintenance fee. mean that after 5 years, ur return will be lower due to need to pay for service for the machine.

hope above can answer ur concern.
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Warranty and maintenance is two different things. sure china made machine could last longer than 5 years?

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post Aug 27 2018, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(skl097 @ Aug 26 2018, 10:35 PM)
the company will cover warranty and service in 5 years. both for warranty and service.
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How much is price of capsules? Delivery foc?

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post Aug 27 2018, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 27 2018, 08:26 AM)
while waiting for responses,...I got this from their online site...
the prices and delivery charges info are there too...
https://arissto.com/my/buy-now/
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https://www.dolce-gusto.com.my/machines
https://www.dolce-gusto.com.my/drinks

Why would people buy more expensive capsule? could people use your machine with other cheaper capsule?

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post Aug 30 2018, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Aug 30 2018, 04:05 PM)
i think i can chip in a little here and there to enhance clarity of it.
subscription fees is also known as licence fees, it "may" appreciate (i feel like this is a gimmick), in order for you to own the machines, you must have this "licence", each licence is able to house 30 machines. and the licence is transferable. what makes this so special is that, the company will only issue 20,000 licences in total, not more than that (we don't know) if this will be true.

so you can still get the money back.
was informed that this programme is in its 8th month now. the licence was RM2600 at the beginning of the programme, now appreciates until RM2800 and they say might go up to 3k before slowing down.
was also informed that the machines price will also appreciates (it was RM650 per machine last time and then 750 and after SST will be 799).
gross returns:

15% if you invest in 5 machines + 1 licence
20% if you invest in 10 machines (or more) + 1 licence

let's do some simple math, taking current situation
licence 2800, machine 750

Scenario A (5 machines)
Licence 2,800
Machines 3,750
Total invested 6,550

gross returns 15% on machines = 562.50 per annum
effective interest = 8.59%

Scenario B (10 machines)
Licence 2,800
Machines 7,500
Total invested 10,300

gross returns 15% on machines = 1,500 per annum
effective interest = 14.56%
yeah, this is only based on a 60 capsules min. what if they consume more?? i think they should list down the performance of each machine (so investors can track).

my company recently took 2 machines and put in the pantry, i was told that they order 20 boxes monthly, i wonder whose machine is that, sure untung already like that.

not only that, also informed by arissto that they are working on making the machine to cater for making tea, soya, other healthy drinks etc. so the market share might grow (my opinion).
as above.

in addition, not sure where you guys get the RM30 per machine per month maintenance fees from.

i was told it will cost RM2 per machine per month for maintenance, so each machine will cost about 24 a year.

My take on this plan:

1. the machine was originally sold at RM1580, which i feel absurb
2. they can workout the plan to lease it at only RM1.00 with warranty and service, maintenance all in covered, so i concluded that the machine is actually very cheap to make, which renders the worry after 5 years redundant.
3. they are going on volume game because no way they can make money on the machine, they can only make money from the capsules, the more they sell, the more they make.

additional observation:
1. many of my colleagues used to buy expensive coffee (starbucks, coffee bean, san fran etc) on daily basis, like one cuppa a day, now they also slow down and start drinking on this capsule coffee (which i think the coffee is not bad too).
2. with my own observation that many have switched from handcrafted coffee to capsule coffee, coupled with the new "tea, soya, etc" series, the market for them to grow is pretty huge though.

what do you think?
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Sounds, smells, looks like a scam.

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post Dec 28 2021, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(kopiride @ Dec 20 2021, 03:40 PM)
U know how they able to pay u right? Recruit new buyer only can pay. U think the coffee program can earn a lot?

Unless u start recruiting new member then let's not ask for payment. If u find it hard to get new members, so do the other members having the same difficulty.

This is investment. There's always risk.
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Ponzi scheme

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