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 Becoming an iPartner, Arissto Coffee Machine Investment

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byang
post Aug 21 2018, 11:01 AM

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To those who have invested, may I check with you on the followings?

1) When the company gave the payout every 3 mth, did they give a breakdown of how each of your coffee machine performed? That is, how many capsules were consumed/sold thru machine 1, 2, 3 etc for the past 3 mth?

2) Based on the last 2 payout, does your yearly return work out to be EXACTLY 15% or 20% (depending on your contract), no more no less?

3) Did you encounter situation where the company cannot find customer for your machine? Did they refund you based on the agreement?

Thank you!

This post has been edited by byang: Aug 21 2018, 11:03 AM
byang
post Aug 24 2018, 11:59 AM

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Thanks for your sharing. Does it mean that you can see the capsule sales for each day when you login? If you include the license fee, does your return work out to be 15% yearly or may be just slightly more?

QUOTE(skl097 @ Aug 23 2018, 09:55 AM)
1. they did not breakdown each machine performed. only show how many corporate plan and home plan. also today how much capsule sold and the profit you will received only.

2. if exclude the license fee, my return is 17.5%

3. no encounter this situation.
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byang
post Aug 27 2018, 12:39 PM

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Looks like you are not the only investor that are getting payout which will eventually worked out be a little bit better than the promised return. With no breakdown and other details, I am afraid it is not possible to ascertain if your machines actually performed better (or worse). If this continues and you decide to quit the programme when it reaches 1 yr because it is taking too long to get back the amount you invested, how much are you able to get back?


QUOTE(skl097 @ Aug 24 2018, 03:08 PM)
no breakdown. no detail. only total sales amount. cant see capsule sales for each day. you can will receive ur profit statement every quarter.

the return exclude is 17.5% mean include license fee then the return will be lower. all depend on how many machine u invest. i invested 10 machine around 10k(include license fee) so mean around 7-8years i can get back all amount i invested.
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byang
post Aug 28 2018, 11:02 AM

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Actually, I find it hard to understand why all the investors that I came across so far have been getting payouts that will eventually worked out to be just a little bit better than the promised return. I mean by nature human have different preferences, it is only normal that the capsules consumption on different machines are different and there will be up or down over time. If it had been the case that the consumption was below the promised return and the company topped it up for you, then the more they should show you the breakdown to prove that they indeed make good their promise to you.

Showing the breakdown of the capsule consumption on each machine will allow you to monitor the performance and request the company to take action to improve the capsule sales for you so that your investment will continue to grow instead of being stuck with the fixed return. Is this not what most investors are hoping for? Btw, does the company share what is the projected growth of capsule sales for the next 5 yr for example, the size of the market and what is their share currently?

Any form of investment carries some risk and at certain point in time one may have to exit if the condition is not favourable to continue which is why I am interested to know how much you can get back after 1 yr if you decided not to continue.

QUOTE(skl097 @ Aug 27 2018, 10:13 PM)
if ur return lower than the promise, then u can request the company to replace any of the customers to meet ur min return. this is show inside the contract.
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byang
post Aug 30 2018, 10:44 AM

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Thanks, so assuming you can find someone to take over then the question left is whether you can get back part of your license fee. For an investment of 5 machines, this constitutes a big chunk of your total invested amount.

QUOTE(skl097 @ Aug 28 2018, 02:15 PM)
as stated in the term, please refer below:

The iPartner shall only be entitled to transfer the ownership of any or up to 30 units of the Coffee Machine(s) and the customers for the respective coffee machines under the Arissto Coffee Plan to third parties upon the expiry of 12 months from the date of purchase of the Coffee Machine(s) from the Company subject however to the following terms and conditions:
1. the transfer shall be transacted through the Company’s authorized platform;
2. the transfer price of the Coffee Machine(s) shall not be less than the Company’s market price of the Coffee Machine at the time of transfer; and.
3. processing fee of 5% of the transfer price of the Coffee Machine shall be charged to the iPartner.
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