For /k purposes, maybe TS can summarize into good vs bad?

I wouldn't reply to the post you quoted because it an old post.

But I would say this, in Oz, the Australian Tax Office will tax you at much higher rates, and give your tax money to people who don't like to work, and have lots of kids to unknown fathers so you can pay for those kids, and pay everyone pension whether they have spent their life working for it or not.

They shit waste your tax money too, in different ways.

Not justifying anything.

Just pointing out reality, so one can make a meaningful, realistic comparison. Rather than fooling yourself by pretending it does not exist.