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TSChopSuey
post Apr 28 2007, 11:32 AM, updated 19y ago

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I just bought the above mic from pasar road yesterday
and I"m not sure if it should be positioned standing straight
up or pointing directly at the sound source.

There is a bar across the mesh that suggests you sing into
the mic sideways.

- yap
Bassix
post Apr 28 2007, 02:03 PM

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should be sideways or rather...in front. There should be a front side and a back side. One way i use to test is to turn the mic round while testing it with a soft voice/noise. You should be able to find out the difference. Or if a detailed polar diagram is given (with the mic in it), then you can also see where the front is.
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post Apr 28 2007, 05:35 PM

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I need more help. see diagram below:


Added on April 28, 2007, 5:42 pmI often see mics directed as in position 2. Maybe they are dynamic mics?

So you are saying condensers should use position 1?

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Bassix
post Apr 28 2007, 07:57 PM

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usually position 1

But i have seen some mics that have their diaphragms in position 2. But those are older models. I assume all new(er) models have their diaphragms as in position 1. But like i said, move your mic around while singing into it to find the spot which sounds the best. Because even in position 1, the angle of your voice may affect the tone. Of course there is a certain range in which there will be no difference, but once you're outside this area then you will hear differences.

If you trust yourself, then unscrew the cage on top and see which way the diaphragm is pointing to. That's the easiest way to find out.
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post Apr 28 2007, 10:56 PM

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usually position 1.

congrats on ur buy.
unfortunately i might spend my money on the 2nd hand pod 2.0 if i can get it.

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TSChopSuey
post Apr 29 2007, 01:51 PM

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Thanks for the help, guys. It's definitely a better mic than my 30 RM Sony.
Low noise, high output. My voice sound natural but need a pop screen.

Now to try miking my piano and harmonica :-)
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post Apr 29 2007, 08:13 PM

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post samples out. ive read some bad reviews on it too. of course, im not expecting it to sound like a RM8000 condenser.
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post Apr 30 2007, 03:04 AM

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bro, how much u bought tht mic?
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post Apr 30 2007, 10:18 AM

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OK sample as requested - piano


Added on April 30, 2007, 10:20 amMike cost 520 RM from instraco, jalan pasar KL.

Upright piano was miked from below the keyboard
with the panel removed. Should use 2 mics though.

Had to EQ down some of the top end as it was a bit
too bright and metallic up there.

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post Apr 30 2007, 10:41 AM

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im surprised at the amount of noise with it. quite alot. can i hear the recording before eq? i find it too much focused on the mids and not 'open' enough.
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post Apr 30 2007, 11:11 AM

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OK I have replaced the original MP3 above.

Maybe the emphasis on mids is because I
pointed the mic towards the middle of the
soundboard.

Reading up online, one needs 2 mics - one
on the treble strings, one on bass.

Actually there was quite a lot going on in
the living room where my piano is. Fans,
noisy computer, mother talking, dog walking
around, renovation across the road.

I'm not using headphones. What sort of noise
do you hear?
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post Apr 30 2007, 11:26 AM

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hissing. but prob its the fan too.

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post Apr 30 2007, 12:11 PM

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Also, I have to turn the gain up quite high to get
a good level so maybe it starts picking up far
off sounds like fans and hard disks.

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post Apr 30 2007, 03:12 PM

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i don't think the hissing is because of the fan. It sounds more like a hardware source. Most probably your soundcard because i have super cheapo pencil condensers (yes cheaper than behringer but not available in malaysia tongue.gif ) and after i changed my soundcard, the hissing went down a significant amount. But of course you can't get it 100% hiss free. Although if you're using USB, i'm not sure if your soundcard plays a role.

But if that was without EQ i think the tone colouring is quite severe unless your piano really sounds like that. At the loud part it sounds like a harp or harpsichord.

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post Apr 30 2007, 03:44 PM

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i doubt soundcards would affect as this is a USB mic, using its own drivers. theres also a software that comes with it to help control several parameters for the mic. im quite surprised u needed to turn up the gain real high for something like a piano.

i do agree with the tone part, but also he only had 1 mic and mic at the centre and im think thats not an average quality piano from the sounds of it.
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post Apr 30 2007, 05:19 PM

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I hear the metallic twanginess too. Erm ... average
piano? What do you mean?

It's a Petrof upright bought 20 years ago. At the time
Czechoslovakia was still communist and these were
pretty affordable.

Maybe I should mic it with the panel closed or from
further away?

My stand's too short to mic from above which can
produce mechanical hammer noises too.

Hmmm ... experiment time.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun06/arti.../samsonc01u.htm

This post has been edited by ChopSuey: Apr 30 2007, 06:30 PM

 

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